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Individual Tax Payers paid 93 billion more in taxes, corporations 91 billion less

That's because more people are working because when the rich got tax cuts they hired more people!



That's not actually what happened. The tax cut on corporations did a lot more for them buying back stock ( because CEO's love to get back, if at all possible, the controlling interest in their companies ). See, the more stock holders, the more they have to comply with being a fiduciary, the less, they more they can do whatever the hell they want. The pressure to get more and more profits is due to corporatism, more than it is business in general.

A lot of business owners might hold back, in some way, given the economic landscape, it might be the prudent thing to do, the long range thinking, but if he has to answer to a lot of noisy stockholders, he might make moves, moves good for the shot term bottom line, that he or she might not have made if they were not subject to that kind of pressure.

Get a windfall? Whoopee, let's buy back our stock and we can have more fun.

The sad truth is that the tax cut to the rich did not significantly contribute to job creation. In fact, jobs were very light this quarter.

US economy added only 75,000 jobs in May - CNN

Why The Tax Cuts And Jobs Act (TCJA) Led To Buybacks Rather Than Investment

For the first three quarters of 2018, buybacks were $583.4 billion (up up 52.6% from 2017).

What the Trump tax cuts really did that is concerning is make debt and deficits soar.

Blame Republican tax cuts for skyrocketing federal deficits and debt


See, Trump thinks only short term. He governs by the seat of his pants, like he has run his businesses ( of which many were run right into the ground ) and for a nation, no, that's not good governance. That's myopic governance.
 
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I'm not a ****ing Democrat.

Just because I think a retard like Trump is a retard, doesn't make me a democrat.

And I'm not complaining high taxes in the states, i'm complaining about Canadian taxes. Which I operate under. And guess what, not putting my small business out. which was the ****ing point you missed, and I bet are going to continue to miss.

Let me rephrase. Why do American democrats complain about high taxes if they keep electing socialists?
 
The damage IS the debt, it IS that they use the extra money to participate in the mandatory political bribery game that conservatives created and the damage is capital being removed from the economy to offshore accounts. As for everyone doing better, it's a BORROWED prosperity that we're seeing, not genuine prosperity.

Now, back to the debt. Objectively, the repubs love of foreign conflict and oligarchy has cost us waaaaay more than the liberal "tax and spend nanny state" ever could. When liberals spend money, they invest it in the PEOPLE of the United States. When conservatives spend money, they steal it first from the future poor and then waste it paying political dividends to the corporate entities that bribed them in to office.

What did W do? He borrowed trillions, cut taxes on the richest and declared war on Iraq and crashed the economy. What did Reagan do? He massively cut taxes, borrowed (stole) a replacement prosperity and engaged in foreign acts of terror and crashed the economy. What is Trump doing, just being a good fascist like dim wit GOP voters demand. The result will be, and already is, phony growth, transparent corruption and, very soon, war. Trump WILL crash this economy because that too is the predictable result of GOP policy. We can stop being surprised by it.

Don't get angry because I see you one trick ponies for what you are. Be angry because somehow, INCREDIBLY, you don't see it. It does say something profoundly idiotic about conservative voters.

LOL. You guys didn't believe there was any damage when Obama added 10 trillion dollars to the debt and even now you are talking about adding another 93 trillion dollars in debt for the Green New Deal. Give me a break.
 
Because, Trump tax cuts were designed to take more from individuals and have corporations pay less.

And simply calling them a tax cut, is all his supporters need to think it's beneficial to them.

Maybe democrats should try that. Raise taxes on corporations, but call it a tax cut. And when people ask, how is that a tax cut. They can just stupidly respond, what's wrong with people keeping more of their own money. j

And when it's shown, they don't keep more of their own money. The Dems can completely ignore that and pretend like it worked exactly like they said it did.

This is how desperate some of the Trump base is to feel like "winners". I'm starting to feel a lot of sympathy for them.

We will call it the Trumptard Maneuver.

Americans just got Trumped. He's taken his fake University scam, and now runs it on a nationwide basis.
 
LOL. You guys didn't believe there was any damage when Obama added 10 trillion dollars to the debt and even now you are talking about adding another 93 trillion dollars in debt for the Green New Deal. Give me a break.

Woah down there. Apparently you're unaware of recent American history, so please let a Canadian help you out. When Obama took over, the country was on the verge of a great depression. He turned the economy around, and produced steady growth for years. It was an amazing accomplishment (Haha! Doesn't it grind the gears of the White Supremacists to see that! You know they're going to deny it until hell freezes over.), and obviously it cost money.

If you're going to blame anyone for having to spend that money, it should be on the people who caused the economy to collapse. Hint: It wasn't the Dems and Obama.

Seriously, learn something about the history of your own country. You will be surprised what you find out, and then you won't need people from other countries to explain it to you.
 
LOL. You guys didn't believe there was any damage when Obama added 10 trillion dollars to the debt and even now you are talking about adding another 93 trillion dollars in debt for the Green New Deal. Give me a break.

Clearly, your conservative memory has conveniently forgotten the fiscal **** sandwich that the previous conservative left for Obama, that Obama pulled our asses away from the brink and stabilized a really ****ed up economy. To do all of that for only ten trillion PROVES my point about his superior economic policy. Trump will borrow twice that much and will leave the next Democrat another catastrophe. And, when it happens, what will you and the GOP do? Don't tell me, I already know because you've done it before. You'll blame the crash on Congress and wash your dirty little hands in the tears of the poor. We've been here before.
 
Can you answer - And why is it that they paid over 90 billion more?

Here is the full story:

In 2018, American taxpayers paid over $90 billion more under the Trump administration's tax law than they did the previous year.

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On 4 June 2019, Yahoo! Finance reported that as a result of the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) enacted by the Trump administration, “the IRS pulled in an additional $93 billion for 2018 from taxpayers on individual income taxes than it did for 2017.” With the tax law being a hot partisan topic, many readers who saw the headline online asked us whether it was true.

In that article, Yahoo! Finance reported:

The IRS collected $1.97 trillion in gross collections (the amount before refunds) for 2018. That figure stood at roughly $1.87 trillion for 2017. Refunds did increase this year — but not by much. The IRS refunded about $398 billion to taxpayers for 2018. For 2017, it was roughly $386 billion.

And after refunds, the IRS collected about $93 billion more from individual American taxpayers than it did in 2017. Interestingly, that number stands close to the tax break amount that corporations received from the TCJA in 2018. Last year, big businesses paid $91 billion less in taxes than they had in 2017, prior to the new law’s passage.

The numbers reported by Yahoo! Finance are accurate, cited from figures published by the IRS in its 2018 Data Book. Collections data for fiscal years 2017 and 2018 can be viewed in the following table, while 2017 refund data can be downloaded by clicking here:

However, it’s still too early to tease out the long-term effects of the new tax law from 2018 data, according to Matthew Gardner, senior fellow and corporate tax expert at the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP), a non-partisan nonprofit organization that researches tax policy.

Republicans had wanted to tell the story about new tax cuts fueling economic growth that would offset lost revenue, while Democrats had been eager to frame the new law as a gift to the country’s wealthiest individuals and large corporations at the expense of average Americans.

As Yahoo! finance reporter Kristin Myer pointed out on the news outlet’s show “The First Trade,” it appeared that taxpayers had “filled the gap” left by corporate tax cuts in 2018.

“I would absolutely agree that if you look at the tax bill as written, unambiguously this is a shift away from taxing corporations toward taxing individuals,” Gardner said.

Gardner is a critic of TCJA because it cut the corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 21 percent without fixing loopholes that corporations have long exploited. “We needed corporate tax reform, and we didn’t get it. We just got corporate tax cuts,” Gardner told us. However, irregularities that occurred in both fiscal years 2017 and 2018 can paint a misleading picture of the long-term impact of the TCJA.

Among others reasons, 2017 tax filings were artificially depressed because the IRS granted filing extensions to victims of natural disasters such as Hurricane Harvey in Texas. Conversely, filings were up in 2018 when those delayed tax returns were finally submitted.

Furthermore, the law went into effect on 1 January 2018, meaning it wasn’t in force for the entirety of the fiscal year, which starts in October. “I wouldn’t take these fiscal year ’18 data very seriously as an indicator of what the tax cuts are doing in any sense,” Gardner said. “No one should expect to fully see those effects emerge in the 2018 fiscal year. We have to wait until next year to really get a look at the impact on collections.”

Politicians on both sides of the aisle were anxious to see how the new law would affect tax refunds because, as Bloomberg reported, “Getting a tax refund is a springtime tradition that Americans love as much as Easter candy.” And as Yahoo! observed, “In the end, many Americans saw modest increases in their paychecks throughout the year, but didn’t notice. Instead, as people filed, many bemoaned getting smaller-than-anticipated refunds or even being hit with a ‘surprise’ tax bill.”

Democratic lawmakers seized on the lower refunds, with Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-New York) stating, according to Yahoo!, that “Many Americans depend on their tax refund to pay bills and make ends meet, but this tax season, working families will see smaller than expected returns and surprise tax bills — because the Trump administration used smoke and mirrors in a shallow attempt to exaggerate the impact of their tax law on middle class families for political reasons.”
 
Well, you’d have to prove that your return plus what remained in your paycheck as a result of the rate cuts was less than what it would have been had there been no tax cut and no deduction cut. And truthfully, things like the cap on the SALT deduction adversely impacted the rich more than anyone else. It’s not as though there are hordes of poor people with property valued over $1 million that got shafted by the SALT cap.

Yeah I'm sure teachers, firefighters, EMT's , police officers and over the road truckers can all explain to you it wasn't only SALT deductions taken away. They were all negatively impacted by the so called tax cut.
Oh yeah I forgot their all liberals from blue states so it does not matter.
 
There you go again thinking that all business owners have Swiss bank accounts. Most all businesses are small businesses, and many of them fail and lose their own money. The business world is small business, not Walmarts and McDonalds.

There you go making silly assumptions about what I said.

Small businesses are suffering in the US.

"there are 28.8 million small businesses in the United States," "Small businesses (defined as businesses with fewer than 500 employees) account for 99.7% of all business in the US. "

However that doesn't mean things are going well for small businesses.


https://www.incimages.com/uploaded_files/inlineimage/630x0/startupschart-inline_30176.jpgstartupschart-inline_30176.jpg

Startup have been in decline for a long time. Population growth goes up, numbers of start ups remains about the same.

Essentially large corporations are taking over more and more. Other smaller companies which expand are squeezing smaller businesses. More and more people are working for multi-nationals, and the way they're playing the tax game in the US, it wouldn't surprise me if this got worse and worse.

Communities get destroyed as income leaves those communities and head to the multi-nationals.
 
Da Troof


Face It: You (Probably) Got a Tax Cut
Face It: You (Probably) Got a Tax Cut - The New York Times

"In convincing people that they would not benefit, “the Democrats did a very good job,” said Howard Gleckman, a senior fellow at the Tax Policy Center. “They were able to put that into the public perception, and the reality has been unable to break that perception.”

{ME:On other words, they lied. Surprised? me neither}

"The Tax Policy Center estimates that 65 percent of people paid less under the law and that just 6 percent paid more. (The rest saw little change to their taxes.)

“The vast majority of people did get a tax cut,
” said Nathan Rigney, an analyst at H&R Block’s Tax Institute. That’s been clear all along, he added, “just now we have real data to back that up.”

BOOOOM
MIC* EFFIN* DROP
 
And the numbers will go up every year.

Taxpayers paid over $90 billion more under Trump tax law

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/18databk.pdf

I call this redistribution of wealth from the bottom, to the top.

Which is exactly what everyone said would happen, and what Trump supporters denied.

Remind us again, why you voted for Trump, because he was going to help the little guy...

It's a good thing you all live in a bubble of alternate reality. Really going to be hard to live this down.

10% middle class tax cut? Anyone? Of course not; that was another 'promise' and subsequent lie peddled to Trump's loyal fanboys.
 
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