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Photograph reveals truth behind Trump's so-called Mexican 'deal'

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From The Sydney Morning Herald

Photograph reveals truth behind Trump's so-called Mexican 'deal'

Washington: President Donald Trump has claimed for two days that he secured a secret immigration deal with Mexico - beyond the one announced on Friday. But the White House has declined to disclose any details, and Mexico has denied that a deal was reached. Confronted with understandable scepticism, Trump produced a folded piece of paper from his breast pocket on Tuesday.

And a particularly good photographer, The Washington Post's Jabin Botsford, snapped an image that reveals some of the document's contents. That image allows us to glean some clues.

The following is what I can make out of the text. Where I'm inferring a word or letters, I'll put it in parentheses:


(UNREADABLE) other party. The parties further intend (UNREADABLE) an agreem(ent) (UNREADABLE) to burden-sharing in relation to the processing of refuge(es) (UNREADABLE).

Mexico also commits to immediate(ly) (UNREADABLE) domestic laws and regulations with a view to identifying any changes that (UNREADABLE) to bring into force and implement such an agreement.

If the United States determines, at its discretion and after consultation with Mexico, after 45 calendar days from the date of the issuance of the Join Declaration, that the measures adopted by the Government of Mexico pursuant to the Joint Declaration have not sufficiently achieved results in addressing the flow of migrants to the southern border of the United States, the Government of Mexico will take all necessary steps under the domestic law to bring the agreement into force with a view to ensuring that the agreement will enter into force within 45 days.

Signed on this 7th of June, 2019 in Washington, D.C. by:
(SIGNATURE 1) (SIGNATURE 2)

COMMENT:-

To me, Mr. Trump's "announcement" sounds a tiny bit reminiscent of Sen. McCarthy's "I hold in my hand a piece of paper that contains the names of __[fill in today's number]__ of people who belong to the __[fill in today's target]__ who are actually members of the Communist Party.".

However, I am prepared to concede that, on the basis of what we know so far, Mr. Trump's outstandingly superlative negotiating skills have scored a smashing diplomatic victory because he has forced the Mexicans to agree that they will take a look at their own laws to see which of them they want to change (without violating Mexico's domestic laws and/or treaty obligations) in return for which he only gave the Mexicans what they wanted.

PS - A Safe First Country Agreement, does NOT provide that asylum seekers must remain outside the US while the US government processes their applications. What a SFCA does is allow the second country to automatically reject an application for asylum if the applicant has previously made one in the country that they want to leave.

PPS - I can envision the Mexican government reaching an agreement with the US government whereby people wishing to leave Mexico and make an asylum application in the US would remain SHELTERED, FED, and CARED FOR (which would include medical, educational, and recreational services) in Mexico AT THE EXPENSE OF the American government. That agreement would (bearing in mind Mr. Trump's track record for compliance with contractual obligations) likely have provisions for immediate termination if the bills were not paid in full and on time. I can also envision that such provisions would likely be "secret".​
 
Leave to Liberals to host another sky is falling, Trump is a liar, and it will never happen report. You have to wonder, are Liberals learning impaired? I mean after CNN and MSNBC viewership has tanked because of fake news like this and the fact that every claim that has been made for over 3 years has come to be fake news, after so much egg on your face you continue down the same path?

Perfect Example: Take this post.

We are just going to ignore the fact that Mexico felt the need to rush its high-level delegation to D.C. and plunge into marathon talks with Vice President Pence and other U.S. negotiators to stop the tariffs.

We are just going to ignore the fact that two new and extremely important commitments: Mexico’s agreement to hit specific, measurable goals and put serious manpower to the task.

We are just going to ignore the fact that President Andrés Manuel López Obrador commented on what the new deal was and his guarantee to take control of illegal immigration a national security priority for his country dedicating 6000 troops to the task.

We are just going to ignore the fact that Mexico has now agreed to hold refugees in their country while awaiting legal status in the US which was not a consideration in the original request.

This is same behavior that elected Trump to office. The desperate lying and fake claims over and over and over and over.
 
Leave to Liberals to host another sky is falling, Trump is a liar, and it will never happen report. You have to wonder, are Liberals learning impaired? I mean after CNN and MSNBC viewership has tanked because of fake news like this and the fact that every claim that has been made for over 3 years has come to be fake news, after so much egg on your face you continue down the same path?

Perfect Example: Take this post.

We are just going to ignore the fact that Mexico felt the need to rush its high-level delegation to D.C. and plunge into marathon talks with Vice President Pence and other U.S. negotiators to stop the tariffs.

We are just going to ignore the fact that two new and extremely important commitments: Mexico’s agreement to hit specific, measurable goals and put serious manpower to the task.

We are just going to ignore the fact that President Andrés Manuel López Obrador commented on what the new deal was and his guarantee to take control of illegal immigration a national security priority for his country dedicating 6000 troops to the task.

We are just going to ignore the fact that Mexico has now agreed to hold refugees in their country while awaiting legal status in the US which was not a consideration in the original request.

This is same behavior that elected Trump to office. The desperate lying and fake claims over and over and over and over.

They seem to believe they can perfect the art of pontificating on subjective facts.


And as you pointed out, the fact Mexico has changed their policies and response means nothing to them. Best to guess about a folded piece of paper and then attempt to make absolute statements of fact from those guesses.
 
This is same behavior that elected Trump to office. The desperate lying and fake claims over and over and over and over.

I agree. And I sincerely hope the left continues to behave like a bunch of nutjobs in an asylum. It's hilarious, fun, and DJT gets reelected in a landslide. ;)
 
They seem to believe they can perfect the art of pontificating on subjective facts.


And as you pointed out, the fact Mexico has changed their policies and response means nothing to them. Best to guess about a folded piece of paper and then attempt to make absolute statements of fact from those guesses.

The glaring question is, are Liberals really that stupid to think everyone just blindly follows them no matter what evidence is provided to show how fake they really are.
 
Glad to see tariffs not enacted.

Whether or not this new "action" by Mexico is real or window dressing to placate Trump remains to be seen.
 
From The Sydney Morning Herald

Photograph reveals truth behind Trump's so-called Mexican 'deal'

Washington: President Donald Trump has claimed for two days that he secured a secret immigration deal with Mexico - beyond the one announced on Friday. But the White House has declined to disclose any details, and Mexico has denied that a deal was reached. Confronted with understandable scepticism, Trump produced a folded piece of paper from his breast pocket on Tuesday.

And a particularly good photographer, The Washington Post's Jabin Botsford, snapped an image that reveals some of the document's contents. That image allows us to glean some clues.

The following is what I can make out of the text. Where I'm inferring a word or letters, I'll put it in parentheses:


(UNREADABLE) other party. The parties further intend (UNREADABLE) an agreem(ent) (UNREADABLE) to burden-sharing in relation to the processing of refuge(es) (UNREADABLE).

Mexico also commits to immediate(ly) (UNREADABLE) domestic laws and regulations with a view to identifying any changes that (UNREADABLE) to bring into force and implement such an agreement.

If the United States determines, at its discretion and after consultation with Mexico, after 45 calendar days from the date of the issuance of the Join Declaration, that the measures adopted by the Government of Mexico pursuant to the Joint Declaration have not sufficiently achieved results in addressing the flow of migrants to the southern border of the United States, the Government of Mexico will take all necessary steps under the domestic law to bring the agreement into force with a view to ensuring that the agreement will enter into force within 45 days.

Signed on this 7th of June, 2019 in Washington, D.C. by:
(SIGNATURE 1) (SIGNATURE 2)

COMMENT:-

To me, Mr. Trump's "announcement" sounds a tiny bit reminiscent of Sen. McCarthy's "I hold in my hand a piece of paper that contains the names of __[fill in today's number]__ of people who belong to the __[fill in today's target]__ who are actually members of the Communist Party.".

However, I am prepared to concede that, on the basis of what we know so far, Mr. Trump's outstandingly superlative negotiating skills have scored a smashing diplomatic victory because he has forced the Mexicans to agree that they will take a look at their own laws to see which of them they want to change (without violating Mexico's domestic laws and/or treaty obligations) in return for which he only gave the Mexicans what they wanted.

PS - A Safe First Country Agreement, does NOT provide that asylum seekers must remain outside the US while the US government processes their applications. What a SFCA does is allow the second country to automatically reject an application for asylum if the applicant has previously made one in the country that they want to leave.

PPS - I can envision the Mexican government reaching an agreement with the US government whereby people wishing to leave Mexico and make an asylum application in the US would remain SHELTERED, FED, and CARED FOR (which would include medical, educational, and recreational services) in Mexico AT THE EXPENSE OF the American government. That agreement would (bearing in mind Mr. Trump's track record for compliance with contractual obligations) likely have provisions for immediate termination if the bills were not paid in full and on time. I can also envision that such provisions would likely be "secret".​

Dang it man, you started a circle "party" as the base tries to explain away yet another complete negotiating failure by Trump. Watch where you step.
 
Leave to Liberals to host another sky is falling, Trump is a liar, and it will never happen report. You have to wonder, are Liberals learning impaired? I mean after CNN and MSNBC viewership has tanked because of fake news like this and the fact that every claim that has been made for over 3 years has come to be fake news, after so much egg on your face you continue down the same path?

Perfect Example: Take this post.

We are just going to ignore the fact that Mexico felt the need to rush its high-level delegation to D.C. and plunge into marathon talks with Vice President Pence and other U.S. negotiators to stop the tariffs.

We are just going to ignore the fact that two new and extremely important commitments: Mexico’s agreement to hit specific, measurable goals and put serious manpower to the task.

We are just going to ignore the fact that President Andrés Manuel López Obrador commented on what the new deal was and his guarantee to take control of illegal immigration a national security priority for his country dedicating 6000 troops to the task.

We are just going to ignore the fact that Mexico has now agreed to hold refugees in their country while awaiting legal status in the US which was not a consideration in the original request.

This is same behavior that elected Trump to office. The desperate lying and fake claims over and over and over and over.

Did you know that those points (which you appear to believe that Mr. Trump just negotiated) were agreed to back in February?

Did you know that there has been no release of any "specific and measurable goals" and only that the US has the sole discretion to decide if what the Mexicans did was "sufficient" to meet America's (not spelled out) requirements?

Now I will agree that Mr. Trump can immediately dispell those points by the simple expedient of actually releasing the contents of the document which enables him to claim (and here I paraphrase) "I hold in my hand a document which will ensure no more illegal immigration in our time.".

He has had five days to do so. Why hasn't he? What ACTUALLY is the "big tippy-top secret" deal?
 
Its all just a show, a spectacle. And Mr. Trump is the star.
 
Dang it man, you started a circle "party" as the base tries to explain away yet another complete negotiating failure by Trump. Watch where you step.

Quite frankly IF the "secret clause" in the agreement WAS that "...people wishing to leave Mexico and make an asylum application in the US would remain SHELTERED, FED, and CARED FOR (which would include medical, educational, and recreational services) in Mexico AT THE EXPENSE OF the American government." and I was Mr. Trump, THEN I most certainly wouldn't be telling anyone about it.

That, of course, is not to be taken that I am saying that the "secret clause" in the agreement IS that "...people wishing to leave Mexico and make an asylum application in the US would remain SHELTERED, FED, and CARED FOR (which would include medical, educational, and recreational services) in Mexico AT THE EXPENSE OF the American government.". It would be much to easy for Mr. Trump to prove that that was NOT the case by simply "declassifying" the entire agreement and releasing it so that the American people could see how his outstandingly superlative negotiating skills had scored a smashing diplomatic victory by forcing the Mexicans to agree that they will take a look at their own laws to see which of them they want to change (without violating Mexico's domestic laws and/or treaty obligations) in return for giving the Mexicans what they wanted.
 
Did you know that those points (which you appear to believe that Mr. Trump just negotiated) were agreed to back in February?

Did you know that there has been no release of any "specific and measurable goals" and only that the US has the sole discretion to decide if what the Mexicans did was "sufficient" to meet America's (not spelled out) requirements?

Now I will agree that Mr. Trump can immediately dispell those points by the simple expedient of actually releasing the contents of the document which enables him to claim (and here I paraphrase) "I hold in my hand a document which will ensure no more illegal immigration in our time.".

He has had five days to do so. Why hasn't he? What ACTUALLY is the "big tippy-top secret" deal?

While Mexico and the US entered negotiations months back, Mexico defaulted on their promise. The original agreement did not include their agreement to hold asylum seekers in Mexico while awaiting approval from the US nor did it call for 6000 troops to be sent to Mexico's southern border. Given the fact that the Mexican Ambassador to the US has made her public statement in front of the media in the US of what the new deal is along with the President of Mexico's public statement, either they are lying and working with Trump to defraud both countries, or this new conspiracy theory is just another hoax.
 
Quite frankly IF the "secret clause" in the agreement WAS that "...people wishing to leave Mexico and make an asylum application in the US would remain SHELTERED, FED, and CARED FOR (which would include medical, educational, and recreational services) in Mexico AT THE EXPENSE OF the American government." and I was Mr. Trump, THEN I most certainly wouldn't be telling anyone about it.

That, of course, is not to be taken that I am saying that the "secret clause" in the agreement IS that "...people wishing to leave Mexico and make an asylum application in the US would remain SHELTERED, FED, and CARED FOR (which would include medical, educational, and recreational services) in Mexico AT THE EXPENSE OF the American government.". It would be much to easy for Mr. Trump to prove that that was NOT the case by simply "declassifying" the entire agreement and releasing it so that the American people could see how his outstandingly superlative negotiating skills had scored a smashing diplomatic victory by forcing the Mexicans to agree that they will take a look at their own laws to see which of them they want to change (without violating Mexico's domestic laws and/or treaty obligations) in return for giving the Mexicans what they wanted.

The most telling portion of the post was (IF) and (THEN) Everything else is nothing but guessing to formulate apocalyptic event number 4,356,845.66.
 
The most telling portion of the post was (IF) and (THEN) Everything else is nothing but guessing to formulate apocalyptic event number 4,356,845.66.

IF the "secret clause" in the agreement WAS that "...people wishing to leave Mexico and make an asylum application in the US would remain SHELTERED, FED, and CARED FOR (which would include medical, educational, and recreational services) in Mexico AT THE EXPENSE OF the American government." and I was Mr. Trump, THEN would you be telling anyone about it (if you were Mr. Trump)?

Or do you think that I was "guessing" that Mr. Trump would NOT be telling anyone about IF the "secret clause" in the agreement WAS that "...people wishing to leave Mexico and make an asylum application in the US would remain SHELTERED, FED, and CARED FOR (which would include medical, educational, and recreational services) in Mexico AT THE EXPENSE OF the American government."?
 
The glaring question is, are Liberals really that stupid to think everyone just blindly follows them no matter what evidence is provided to show how fake they really are.

I think the question answers itself.
 
IF the "secret clause" in the agreement WAS that "...people wishing to leave Mexico and make an asylum application in the US would remain SHELTERED, FED, and CARED FOR (which would include medical, educational, and recreational services) in Mexico AT THE EXPENSE OF the American government." and I was Mr. Trump, THEN would you be telling anyone about it (if you were Mr. Trump)?

Or do you think that I was "guessing" that Mr. Trump would NOT be telling anyone about IF the "secret clause" in the agreement WAS that "...people wishing to leave Mexico and make an asylum application in the US would remain SHELTERED, FED, and CARED FOR (which would include medical, educational, and recreational services) in Mexico AT THE EXPENSE OF the American government."?

I don't normally make predictions about secret clauses or their content when you have no information that it exist in the first place. Whats the point.
 
I don't normally make predictions about secret clauses or their content when you have no information that it exist in the first place. Whats the point.

Are you saying that Mr. Trump was NOT TELLING THE TRUTH when he said that there were "secret clauses" in the agreement?

For shame, Sir - FOR SHAME!!!
 
It's official. Trump has solved the immigration issue. There's no more need to worry about illegal immigrants crossing the border from Mexico anymore.
 
Are you saying that Mr. Trump was NOT TELLING THE TRUTH when he said that there were "secret clauses" in the agreement?

For shame, Sir - FOR SHAME!!!

Nope, I am saying (unlike Liberals) I am not interested in making up different scenarios to fit a particular political point because of lack of information and then get egg on my face when it turns out to be apocalyptic post number 4,588,934. If you feel the need to make up these scenarios then you fall into the CNN failures for fake news which has made them the least watched cable news network. Screaming wolf over and over won't make it come true. It only shows you are screaming wolf, over and over with no credibility.
 
Nope, I am saying (unlike Liberals) I am not interested in making up different scenarios to fit a particular political point because of lack of information and then get egg on my face when it turns out to be apocalyptic post number 4,588,934. If you feel the need to make up these scenarios then you fall into the CNN failures for fake news which has made them the least watched cable news network. Screaming wolf over and over won't make it come true. It only shows you are screaming wolf, over and over with no credibility.

Whenever I propose a scenario in the "IF ... THEN ..." format, I don't feel in the least bit embarrassed when the "IF" part doesn't happen because I never said that it WAS going to happen. All I did was say what I thought would be the case IF it did happen.

Of course, some people simply don't understand the concept of "conditionals" and think that a "IF ... THEN ..." statement is identical to a "IT IS THE CASE THAT ... THEREFORE ..." statement. Your post indicates that there is a high likelihood that you fit into that group.
 
They seem to believe they can perfect the art of pontificating on subjective facts.

I also made a secret agreement with Mexico. It's in this secret paper I'm holding but I can't show it to you.

You can't be this gullible. It's not possible. How do you survive if you believe stuff like that?
 
I also made a secret agreement with Mexico. It's in this secret paper I'm holding but I can't show it to you.

You can't be this gullible. It's not possible. How do you survive if you believe stuff like that?

LOL

Come up with a more original meme and perhaps I'll try to answer it.
 
Whenever I propose a scenario in the "IF ... THEN ..." format, I don't feel in the least bit embarrassed when the "IF" part doesn't happen because I never said that it WAS going to happen. All I did was say what I thought would be the case IF it did happen

All your doing is making up BS scenarios under the guise of some possibility of it being true. Most just call it lying.
 
So DonDon is at it again, announcing vague so-called actions based on his whacked out Administration "policy" that his own Administration is not prepared to act upon as yet.
From Donald Tweet this morning:
"Next week ICE will begin the process of removing the millions of illegal aliens who have illicitly found their way to the United States. They will be removed as fast as they come in."

Who the frig is he talking about here? The only large numbers of people that he could be talking about are asylum seekers as he appears to be talking about people being "removed as fast as they come in".
- Well that is going to break more International and US Law. What else is new from the lawbreaker President.
- DonDon will eventually have to tell the Courts EXACTLY what he is doing as he will likely be enjoined from doing it before he moves one single asylum seeker that has made it over the US border just because people have rights and he cannot just put up a fog of smoke and start moving people under it!

So lets review where we are in this issue of asylum seekers at the Southern Border:
- Asylum Seekers are driven North now entirely from the Northern Triangle which suffers from drought induced famine and hunger resulting from something which DonDon of course denies the very existence of, Climate Change.
- He then takes a series of actions designed to be punishment to those in the Northern Triangle and those Asylum Seekers that have made it here including:
*threatening harsher methods at the border
*adopting harsher methods at the border including zero tolerance and all its horrors
*threatening cutting off aid to the Northern Triangle which of course would mean less food and more hunger there
*thus creating more incentive for people there to seek asylum
*then actually cutting of the aid to the Nothern Triangle pushing even harder to get people to migrate

Now he announces he is prepared to move them....where? Who knows. When? Who knows! How? Who knows!

You would have to be blind not to see the cycle of punishment, threat, sadistic punishment, sadistic threat that Trump has used. He has created his own humanitarian crisis. That is the literal description of creating a mountain out of a mole hill for his own purposes all the while dragging his bloodthirsty base along for the ride and dragging the American flag and the rest of us through the mud on his way to what may I ask? What he thinks will be his reelection maybe?
 
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