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    Is conservatism selfishness?

    Is conservative ideology selfish? It seems to be based on self-reliance and the freedom of the individual. Collective cooperation is seen as something to be feared and avoided.

    A lot of conservatives like Paul Ryan and Rand Paul (named after her) love Ayn Rand. But her philosophy is that "selfishness is a virtue." So, at its heart is conservatism a selfish ideology?



    Though philosophers have never taken her seriously, Rand’s controversial “objectivist” ideas have been invoked by generations of conservatives, from Reaganites to the Tea Party, and now Donald Trump.

    “Selfishness is a virtue.”

    The US president-elect has only ever mentioned liking three works of fiction. The Fountainhead, Rand’s 1943 novel about an embattled architect, is one: “It relates to business (and) beauty (and) life and inner emotions. That book relates to … everything,” Trump told USA Today last April. Meanwhile, his pick for labor secretary, Andy Puzder, reportedly told his six children to read The Fountainhead. (Puzder is also the CEO of CKE Restaurants, a group ownedby Roarke Capital—named after the novel’s hero.) And rival Republican leader and house speaker Paul Ryan has credited Rand for inspiring him to go into public service.
    US Republican leaders love Ayn Rand’s controversial philosophy—and are increasingly misinterpreting it

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    Re: Is conservatism selfishness?

    True conservatism is not selfish. Radical right libertarianism is pure greed and selfishness masquerading as patriotism at the individual liberty level.

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    Re: Is conservatism selfishness?

    I've never heard of Ayn Rand's philosophies being called "conservative". I think you mean "libertarian".
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    Re: Is conservatism selfishness?

    Quote Originally Posted by SonOfDaedalus View Post
    Is conservative ideology selfish? It seems to be based on self-reliance and the freedom of the individual. Collective cooperation is seen as something to be feared and avoided.

    A lot of conservatives like Paul Ryan and Rand Paul (named after her) love Ayn Rand. But her philosophy is that "selfishness is a virtue." So, at its heart is conservatism a selfish ideology?
    It can be. It definitely is for the "live and let die" strain of Ayn Randism.
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    Re: Is conservatism selfishness?

    Social liberalism and what's called economic conservatism are both selfishness.

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    Re: Is conservatism selfishness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I've never heard of Ayn Rand's philosophies being called "conservative". I think you mean "libertarian".
    That's not even fair. More like "high school so-called libertarian that needs to read Crime and Punishment".


    Ayn Rand is an extension of Nietzsche and Machiavelli before him. It's "uber mench", not political philosophy.

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    Re: Is conservatism selfishness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I've never heard of Ayn Rand's philosophies being called "conservative". I think you mean "libertarian".
    A lot of Republicans are big fans of Ayn Rand. Most libertarians vote with conservatives.

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    Re: Is conservatism selfishness?

    Quote Originally Posted by SonOfDaedalus View Post
    A lot of Republicans are big fans of Ayn Rand. Most libertarians vote with conservatives.
    Yes.....that doesn't change what I said.
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    Re: Is conservatism selfishness?

    Is conservative ideology selfish? NO!
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    Re: Is conservatism selfishness?

    Quote Originally Posted by SonOfDaedalus View Post
    Is conservative ideology selfish? It seems to be based on self-reliance and the freedom of the individual. Collective cooperation is seen as something to be feared and avoided.

    A lot of conservatives like Paul Ryan and Rand Paul (named after her) love Ayn Rand. But her philosophy is that "selfishness is a virtue." So, at its heart is conservatism a selfish ideology?





    US Republican leaders love Ayn Rand’s controversial philosophy—and are increasingly misinterpreting it

    more Ayn Rand...

    It's never been selfish, it's been about personal responsibility. YOU are the master of your future, your well being, don't demand others give so you can have through government action.
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