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Is conservatism selfishness?

Rickeroo said:
Correct, there must be a balance. I draw the line where able bodied people are sitting around waiting for other people to give them stuff.
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Everyone hits hard times and can end up in bad places. It's rarely because they are just stupid and lazy. Decent societies provide decent safety nets so they can get back up on their feet and keep going.
 
Luther said:
Well?

Ask yourself how much the Fed Gov gives states funding for Medicaid for example?

This is just too easy...(LOL)
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You made a claim and entered an absurd number. Either prove it, or admit you made it up.

:waiting:
 
ataraxia said:
Everyone hits hard times and can end up in bad places. It's rarely because they are just stupid and lazy. Decent societies provide decent safety nets so they can get back up on their feet and keep going.
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I agree - but it depends on one's definition of hard times, since this would relieve the responsibility of work or saving.
 
Rickeroo said:
I agree - but it depends on one's definition of hard times, since this would relieve the responsibility of work or saving.
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Agreed.

I would put the definition of "hard times" as losing one's basic human rights (and I would define that as defined by the Universal Declaration of Human rights which was spearheaded by the US and signed by most countries back in 1948): the right to food, clean water, shelter, a basic education, and access to healthcare. No human being should have to face the indignity of such desperate situations without those things.

Once those basic human rights are protected as a basic bare bottom safety net, the free market can rule the day. But such a bare bottom safety net absolutely has to exist for any decent, humane, moral society.
 
ataraxia said:
Agreed.

I would put the definition of "hard times" as losing one's basic human rights (and I would define that as defined by the Universal Declaration of Human rights which was spearheaded by the US and signed by most countries back in 1948): the right to food, clean water, shelter, a basic education, and access to healthcare. No human being should have to face the indignity of such desperate situations without those things.

Once those basic human rights are protected as a basic bare bottom safety net, the free market can rule the day. But such a bare bottom safety net absolutely has to exist for any decent, humane, moral society.
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Define the parameters of the "bare bottom safety net". And qualifications for landing in it.
 
Bullseye said:
Define the parameters of the "bare bottom safety net". And qualifications for landing in it.
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I just did. Universal Declaration of Human Rights from 1948: food, clean water, shelter, access to healthcare, and a basic education.

It's amazing that the country that spearheaded this in the world back, is the country where those ideas are now under siege.
 
Luther said:
After spending Trillions upon Trillions with the "collective" strategy, it seems that hasn't worked either?

The War on Poverty After 50 Years | The Heritage Foundation
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The Heritage Foundation? LOL

Anyway, just look around you. What qualifies as poverty today looks nothing like what we saw in the 60's and 70's. Would you rather be poor today or poor in 1964?

I wish Republicans would run openly proclaiming their beliefs. They should denounce social security and Medicare. They should promise to repeal everything that LBJ did.
 
ataraxia said:
No, they started being socialist after the industrial revolution, when they realized the free markets left completely free weren't able to address things like the exploitation of child labor, the rise of monopolies, and the socially destabilizing rising disparities between the extremes of wealth and poverty. That was about the late 19th century.

Incidentally, it was exactly those kinds of regulations and safety nets which acted as a pressure valve against the violent revolt of the working class as Marx had predicted. These socialists (or what are called liberals nowadays) are the ones who saved Europe (and America) from Marxist communism. You're welcome.
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I don't think so.....

It started happening after Europe was in ruins after WWII

It's amazing what you can do when you have the "Big Brother" the "United states " watching over you(wink)
 
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