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Do You Hate It's a Wonderful Life?

It depends on your definition of 'means'. People with a roof over their heads, groceries in the pantry, clothes on their bag, i.e. the basic necessities of life, along with great friends and neighbors and a rewarding life know they aren't rich in money, but they are rich indeed.

And I agree that this is more important than life. What I'm saying is that the ability to do what Bailey did, lend people money to escape the cycle of poverty and own their own property, is lacking among those who would want to do it. Not many George Baileys have millions of dollars laying around.
 
It's attractive, but I think ultimately raising taxes on this kind of extractive wealth collection, especially on foreigners, is the way to go.
Here in Canada, governments have been putting in restrictions stipulating that houses have to be lived in a certain percentage of the year, or else face taxes that make them unprofitable investments.

This caused huge price drops in some of the most inflated housing markets in the country (Toronto and Vancouver), but it's also caused wealthy Asian investors in particular to send their equally wealthy and (how shall I put this?) "less than considerate" children and relatives to live in the houses, ostensibly dumping tens of thousands of the most obnoxious and destructive people you can possibly imagine--few of whom actually want to live here--into congested cities.

Removing the live-in condition and simply taxing the snot out of foreign property holders, if it ever gained traction as a policy, would be met with violent retribution. We're talking complete cessation of trade, embargoes on North American goods throughout Africa, Asia, and Eastern Europe, and quite possibly armed conflict. Animosity that would make the current tariff wars and saber rattling over Huawei look frivolous by comparison. It would be viewed as the theft of trillions of dollars, which, in a sense, it would be.

For this reason and others, a country like America would have to be staring down anarchy and bloody internal conflict before it ever became law.
 
And I agree that this is more important than life. What I'm saying is that the ability to do what Bailey did, lend people money to escape the cycle of poverty and own their own property, is lacking among those who would want to do it. Not many George Baileys have millions of dollars laying around.

Bailey didn't have millions of dollars though. Nor did he Savings & Loan His S&L didn't have millions of dollars and it didn't have enough in the vault to cover all the deposits the people had paid into it. When the 1933 bank collapse happened, , he persuaded the towns folk to accept what they could just get by on rather than demand that their deposits be fully withdrawn, i.e. he talked them out of making a run on the bank. Bailey's S&L was a small mom & pop type organization for the benefit of the good people of Bedford Falls. They deposited their money in interest bearing accounts and the S&L was then able to make mortgage loans at favorable rates so more people could buy their own homes and raise their standard of living.

In other words Bailey took the conservative approach of getting the people to work together to solve the problem themselves.

Had Bailey not been able to talk the people out of the run on the S&L, it would have destroyed it and it would have been no more.
 
And I stand by that. An individual Millennial should not be spending more than that in rent. How many areas have 1 bedrooms and studios anywhere close to $625 per month?

In the flyover hinterlands, you may get more than a few.
So okay, if you want to live and work in BFE that's a choice, I guess.
Of course sometimes it also means you wind up in Tornado Alley.

I did a stint in Tornado Alley. I'll take Earthquake Country, thank you...at least it's possible to select a home that is built or retrofitted to meet or exceed earthquake standards whereas the only thing one can do for tornadoes is build a dome shaped house or build underground.
 
I mean the George Baileys of today are broke. Nobody has the money to do what he wanted to do, or I should say nobody who would do what he did has enough money today to do it. We have a plethora of Mr. Potters. George Bailey has been driven out. We live in Pottersville.

Well I don't live in Pottersville but we're surrounded by it for sure.

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Bailey didn't have millions of dollars though. Nor did he Savings & Loan His S&L didn't have millions of dollars and it didn't have enough in the vault to cover all the deposits the people had paid into it. When the 1933 bank collapse happened, , he persuaded the towns folk to accept what they could just get by on rather than demand that their deposits be fully withdrawn, i.e. he talked them out of making a run on the bank. Bailey's S&L was a small mom & pop type organization for the benefit of the good people of Bedford Falls. They deposited their money in interest bearing accounts and the S&L was then able to make mortgage loans at favorable rates so more people could buy their own homes and raise their standard of living.

In other words Bailey took the conservative approach of getting the people to work together to solve the problem themselves.

Had Bailey not been able to talk the people out of the run on the S&L, it would have destroyed it and it would have been no more.
Do you really think that communities could come together today and come up with the millions of dollars it would take to help people buy their item homes? Maybe, but we don't have the social capital that they had, and homes are far more expensive today.
 
I disagree. Those blessed to still live in the America as it once was--and there are a few places that modern American progressivism hasn't violated yet--are still populated with mostly George Baileys.

Boy howdy do you ever have that backwards.
 
Bailey didn't have millions of dollars though. Nor did he Savings & Loan His S&L didn't have millions of dollars and it didn't have enough in the vault to cover all the deposits the people had paid into it. When the 1933 bank collapse happened, , he persuaded the towns folk to accept what they could just get by on rather than demand that their deposits be fully withdrawn, i.e. he talked them out of making a run on the bank. Bailey's S&L was a small mom & pop type organization for the benefit of the good people of Bedford Falls. They deposited their money in interest bearing accounts and the S&L was then able to make mortgage loans at favorable rates so more people could buy their own homes and raise their standard of living.

In other words Bailey took the conservative approach of getting the people to work together to solve the problem themselves.

Had Bailey not been able to talk the people out of the run on the S&L, it would have destroyed it and it would have been no more.

Explain to me then why conservatives today absolute despise savings and loans.
What you're calling "conservative" vis a vis George Bailey was actually 1946 New Deal liberalism.
It is absolutely amazing how you manage to twist this stuff around to suit your mindset.
Getting people to work together to attack a problem with community effort is derided by conservatives as collectivism the moment anyone tries to protect said efforts under the law.

Bailey's S&L was a small mom & pop type organization for the benefit of the good people of Bedford Falls.

That would be the textbook definition of "collective".

A collective is a group of entities that share or are motivated by at least one common issue or interest, or work together to achieve a common objective. Collectives can differ from cooperatives in that they are not necessarily focused upon an economic benefit or saving, but can be that as well.
 
Do you really think that communities could come together today and come up with the millions of dollars it would take to help people buy their item homes? Maybe, but we don't have the social capital that they had, and homes are far more expensive today.

They are not relatively more expensive everywhere. And yes, I can see many a small town putting their money into the hometown bank in sufficient amounts that the bank would be able to make mortgage loans to the same folks. And there are a few of those still around as well as credit unions that have replaced most of the savings and loans.
 
AlbqOwl, it is incredible to hear you talk in such loving and glowing terms about textbook New Deal liberalism.
If you weren't so blinded by hatred for the Left (thanks at least in part to your consumption of Fox et al media) you'd realize that you're probably a secret New Deal liberal Democrat in the mold of Bernie Sanders. :lamo
 
Many? How many? How many young people?

How many young people can be landlords is irrelevant. Efficient market requires many landlords, no matter what age. As for how many ...

in the United States there are between 10 million and 11 million individual investor landlords managing an average of two units each, many with just one unit.



Do you own any roads or freeways?

Please don't be this dumb. Transportation budgets in family expenses include things like cars that you buy, gas you buy to put in them, maintenance on them, etc.

Landlords buy properties and then maintain them and rent them out.
So tenants who do their own maintenance get to live for free, right? Nope.
There is no rent-paying tenant out there who is going to get a new roof when it leaks.
Not with the amount that they're paying.

You first ask if "tenants who do their own maintenance" get to live for free and then accept there is no such thing. I accept your surrender.


Certainly not! We have a declining household formation rate because of low pay. We have more women working because of low pay. These factors both would give an apparent rise in household income while wages are falling. Looking at household formation is misleading because of these factors.

Sorry, math and facts clearly contradict you.

First, as already stated, only 15% live with their parents. So, 85% of millennial are forming households just fine, thank you very much. Not only that, this does not differ much from prior generation (X) when 90% were forming households.

Second, your 25k number, which you never provided any proof for is not relevant if household income is 69k. Yes, I get your point about 2 incomes now provide instead of 1.
- That's true of 44% of cases only. More than half (56%) of the millennial households have 1 earner.
- You are implying that the fact that both adults must work in order to comfortably afford the rent is somehow terrible. Welcome to the rest of the world. That's the case for most of the world.
- Finally, your numbers are off again. Even in 2-people households, normally 1 person earns more than another. So your 25k number is likely around 45-50k in fact for 1 of the earners. So, the appropriate rent you should be looking for (FOR A SINGLE EARNER) would be closer to $1300, not $650 as you had claimed.

Going from 10 to 15 is a 50% rise.

Nice try. I can play the same game. Going from 90% (number of Gen X households) to 85% (number of millennial households) is only 5.6% drop in household formation from Gen X to Millennial.

... look at the article which details this record high millennial household income ...

You misrepresented what the article said in your quotes... Your first paragraph was "The gain was also “driven by increased employment, rather than increased pay."". You forgot to mention that this was referring just to 2017 gain specifically - 1 year! That's NOT what we are talking about. Sure, during that 1 year people had more jobs at roughly same pay. Who cares.

Your second paragraph is an argument AGAINST your position actually. It confirms that paychecks have the same purchasing power it did 40 years ago. Despite the second part of the paragraph, what this ACTUALLY means is that you can afford SAME kind of stuff as before.

Having said all this, I will give you partial credit: it IS true that in less than 44% of cases (how much less? depends on number of women working in the past), women now earn more than before but households still have same purchasing power; and so, in that sense life has become more expensive. However, housing is just one SMALL piece of it. Cost of living has risen for the poor across ALL categories. Your harping on housing specifically is meaningless. As I said before, according to this and this, since 1900's, percentage of income people spent on housing did not increase by all that much over the past 120 years. It used to be around 23%-27% and now around 33%.
 
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For this reason and others, a country like America would have to be staring down anarchy and bloody internal conflict before it ever became law.

Given the unrest and resentment that are so prevalent among our young and poor, I don't think we're too far away. In fact, I'd argue our cities are essentially already in anarchy.
 
They are not relatively more expensive everywhere.

Bailey was building $5000 homes in 1946. How many $70k homes do you know of?

And yes, I can see many a small town putting their money into the hometown bank in sufficient amounts that the bank would be able to make mortgage loans to the same folks. And there are a few of those still around as well as credit unions that have replaced most of the savings and loans.

Lol.

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AlbqOwl, it is incredible to hear you talk in such loving and glowing terms about textbook New Deal liberalism.
If you weren't so blinded by hatred for the Left (thanks at least in part to your consumption of Fox et al media) you'd realize that you're probably a secret New Deal liberal Democrat in the mold of Bernie Sanders. :lamo

I think many conservatives are economically not as free market oriented as they think. The big difference is the social issues, but that gets abused by capitalists to get them to support their oppression.
 
I think many conservatives are economically not as free market oriented as they think. The big difference is the social issues, but that gets abused by capitalists to get them to support their oppression.

I think that the free market is great for products and services which are free market products and services.
Goods and services which are essential to human survival simply do not fit that category however.

Imagine if AIR was a free market commodity...people at Nestle already believe WATER is a free market commodity but without potable water, humans die, and die quickly.
So imagine if AIR and WATER were strictly held as free market commodities sold for however much they can charge.
If you do not PAY for you AIR you are forced to breathe pollutants so dense that you can't survive, you are charged money for the ability to breathe clean air. If you do not pay for WATER you are forced to drink poisoned polluted water.

The only difference between that scenario and health care and basic survival housing is how long it takes you to die and how much your slow agonizing death ends up costing you and your loved ones.
 
I think it's a great movie; "good will out"!

More subtly it shows the difference between what happens when the "wealthy 1%'s" vision is realized and what happens "when the common man is allowed to work for the benefit of his neighbors". I think in todays America we are living in pottersville realized; thanks Reagan/Friedman.
 
And I'm sure women working more and delaying marriage has NOTHING to do with falling male wages.
It very likely doesn't. At least, you need more than an uninformed presumption to make that case.

For example, male weekly wages adjusted for inflation from 1979 to the present are poorly correlated with the LFPR for women; the correlation coefficient for those is -0.477. Your theory is not off to a good start.

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We actually do see it.
LOL

Thanks for displaying a chart which proves my claim. That chart indicates no correlation whatsoever between marriage rates and unemployment rates. That should be even more obvious when we add in the 10 years you lopped off. Why didn't marriage rates plummet in 2007, and rise dramatically starting in 2010, just like unemployment rates? (Correlation is -0.28.) It should be screamingly obvious that unemployment rates are connected to recessions, not marriage rates.

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Lol, housing bubbles, stock market bubbles. This is hilarious.
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No, I'm not Eugene Fama. I never said "markets are 100% perfectly efficient all the time." Unsurprisingly, you completely missed the point that trying to fix markets can cause other issues. Of course, you are welcome to try and prove that command economies are more efficient than market economies. Good luck with that.


We should see close to 0% of households spending 50% on rent, and note how you're not factoring in the falling household formation rate.
lol... What "falling household formation rate?" Household size has barely budged since 1980. Do you not understand the legal definition of a household?

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Garbage and you know it. When household formation is down because wages are low, you cannot only look at households and thus exclude a significant portion of those with low wages.
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Yeah, here's the thing. Household formation is not changing, and it is routine for government statistics to use household income.

By the way, it's not that surprising that Millennials earn less than, say, the people who are in their prime earning years (i.e. 40s and 50s). What you'd really need to figure out is how much Millennials earn compared to people of the same age at different periods of time -- e.g., how much did a 25 year old earn, in 1970 and 1980 and 1990 and 2010, in inflation-adjusted dollars, compared to someone who is 25 years old in 2019? When we actually look at the data, we see the way the 2000s bubble inflated income, then depressed it; even so, for those ages 25-35, they are earning more than that cohort did in the 1990s.

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Next time, I suggest you understand the basic concepts, and get actual facts, before making further pronouncements.
 
LOL

Thanks for displaying a chart which proves my claim. That chart indicates no correlation whatsoever between marriage rates and unemployment rates.

That's hilarious. That's what I thought too when I saw his chart and him claiming he sees some correlation there.

Household formation is not changing, and it is routine for government statistics to use household income.

It's especially appropriate since the context of this thread is "high rents" and it's the household, not individuals, that pays the rents.

The only point that he makes that I found might be onto something is the need for 2 incomes to do what 1 income used to be able to do. Apparently number of incomes per household has been pretty steady in fact after 80's but it did increase by about 20% from 60's to 80's. At the same time, median household income has NOT jumped from 60's to 80's, and continued to remain more or less steady after that. Again, this ONLY affects 20% of households. As I mentioned earlier, affordability that got lost is not concentrated on housing but is spread across all our life necessities.
 
How many young people can be landlords is irrelevant. Efficient market requires many landlords, no matter what age. As for how many ...

There are also millions of people who sell online. You'd be kidding yourself if you don't think Amazon controls that market.
Please don't be this dumb. Transportation budgets in family expenses include things like cars that you buy, gas you buy to put in them, maintenance on them, etc.

Cars are far easier to produce and buy than homes. They're more liquid. Freeways aren't, so we'd likely have much the same problem if those weren't publicly owned. We get the same issue with homes because of their price.

You first ask if "tenants who do their own maintenance" get to live for free and then accept there is no such thing. I accept your surrender.

It's a hypothetical. If a tenant does all of the maintenance, then why should the landlord get anything? What are they collecting money for?

Sorry, math and facts clearly contradict you.

First, as already stated, only 15% live with their parents. So, 85% of millennial are forming households just fine, thank you very much. Not only that, this does not differ much from prior generation (X) when 90% were forming households.

They're not doing just fine.

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Second, your 25k number, which you never provided any proof for is not relevant if household income is 69k. Yes, I get your point about 2 incomes now provide instead of 1.
- That's true of 44% of cases only. More than half (56%) of the millennial households have 1 earner.
- You are implying that the fact that both adults must work in order to comfortably afford the rent is somehow terrible. Welcome to the rest of the world. That's the case for most of the world.
- Finally, your numbers are off again. Even in 2-people households, normally 1 person earns more than another. So your 25k number is likely around 45-50k in fact for 1 of the earners. So, the appropriate rent you should be looking for (FOR A SINGLE EARNER) would be closer to $1300, not $650 as you had claimed.

Your statistics don't make sense. Median individual income is 25k. You can't deduce a different number by looking at two income households and then saying how much you think they should be earning. The number IS 25k. You have to deal with that. If you are only looking at households, you are already selecting for higher incomes.

Nice try. I can play the same game. Going from 90% (number of Gen X households) to 85% (number of millennial households) is only 5.6% drop in household formation from Gen X to Millennial.

You can play that game, but it would be missing the point. I wouldn't claim everything was great with Gen X. The problems started way before then. Even still, the problems are getting worse. We can't just ignore them and expect everything to get fixed.

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You misrepresented what the article said in your quotes... Your first paragraph was "The gain was also “driven by increased employment, rather than increased pay."". You forgot to mention that this was referring just to 2017 gain specifically - 1 year! That's NOT what we are talking about. Sure, during that 1 year people had more jobs at roughly same pay. Who cares.

There has been no increased pay for about 50 years.

Your second paragraph is an argument AGAINST your position actually. It confirms that paychecks have the same purchasing power it did 40 years ago. Despite the second part of the paragraph, what this ACTUALLY means is that you can afford SAME kind of stuff as before.

Yet housing is appreciating faster than inflation, so in reality you're falling behind.
 
Having said all this, I will give you partial credit: it IS true that in less than 44% of cases (how much less? depends on number of women working in the past), women now earn more than before but households still have same purchasing power; and so, in that sense life has become more expensive. However, housing is just one SMALL piece of it. Cost of living has risen for the poor across ALL categories. Your harping on housing specifically is meaningless. As I said before, according to this and this, since 1900's, percentage of income people spent on housing did not increase by all that much over the past 120 years. It used to be around 23%-27% and now around 33%.


So the trend is there (and it's a bad trend). And for Millennials it's even worse. 40%.


Millennials spend a large percentage of income on rent
 
There are also millions of people who sell online. You'd be kidding yourself if you don't think Amazon controls that market.

Completely irrelevant. First, no, Amaon does NOT control all the product prices sold on its platforms. Second, landlords do not rent out at Amazon (for the most part, if at all)

Cars are far easier to produce and buy than homes. They're more liquid.

It's irrelevant - market for buying homes is efficient enough. Plus, we are talking about market for renting, not (only) buying houses.

It's a hypothetical. If a tenant does all of the maintenance, then why should the landlord get anything? What are they collecting money for?

If I borrow a tool from a store but break it, I have to pay for repairs. Yet I don't claim that I should get the tool for free. If I rent a car and break it, my insurance will pay for it. Yet I don't claim that I should have free car rentals.

They're not doing just fine.

Yes they are - even per your chart, only 5% more live with "family". So what? Even for those that do, it could very well be their choice (e.g. more and more baby boomer parents are aging and need support), not because they could not afford to live elsewhere.

Your statistics don't make sense. Median individual income is 25k.

You have yet to provide a source for this.

If you are only looking at households, you are already selecting for higher incomes.

I account for all that and as already established, it make sense to look at household income for rent, NOT individual income.

There has been no increased pay for about 50 years. Yet housing is appreciating faster than inflation, so in reality you're falling behind.

That's already accounted for in my stats. That's why percentage of income used for housing increased from 27% to 33%. Since 1980's number of dual incomes has not increased by much apparently. From 60's to 80's another factor was increase in dual incomes (less than 44% as stated)
 
Completely irrelevant. First, no, Amaon does NOT control all the product prices sold on its platforms. Second, landlords do not rent out at Amazon (for the most part, if at all)

The point is that you don't need 100% market share in order to exert undue influence and manipulate prices and wages.

It's irrelevant - market for buying homes is efficient enough. Plus, we are talking about market for renting, not (only) buying houses.

It is? How do you know that? What are you basing that on?

If I borrow a tool from a store but break it, I have to pay for repairs. Yet I don't claim that I should get the tool for free. If I rent a car and break it, my insurance will pay for it. Yet I don't claim that I should have free car rentals.

Yet that's exactly what you do when you borrow a tool from a neighbor.

Yes they are - even per your chart, only 5% more live with "family". So what? Even for those that do, it could very well be their choice (e.g. more and more baby boomer parents are aging and need support), not because they could not afford to live elsewhere.

So the fact that market rents are far higher is just a coincidence?

You have yet to provide a source for this.

Source for the image.
Millennial median wage map - Business Insider

I account for all that and as already established, it make sense to look at household income for rent, NOT individual income.

How do you account for the fact that Millennials are starting households less? You're just ignoring it.

That's already accounted for in my stats. That's why percentage of income used for housing increased from 27% to 33%. Since 1980's number of dual incomes has not increased by much apparently. From 60's to 80's another factor was increase in dual incomes (less than 44% as stated)

Think about that. The percentage went up despite the rise of dual income households.
 
It very likely doesn't. At least, you need more than an uninformed presumption to make that case.

For example, male weekly wages adjusted for inflation from 1979 to the present are poorly correlated with the LFPR for women; the correlation coefficient for those is -0.477. Your theory is not off to a good start.

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So I take it you disagree with Elizabeth Warren on this:

Elizabeth Warren said:
“A generation ago, a single breadwinner who worked diligently and spent carefully could assure his family a comfortable position in the middle class. But the frenzied bidding wars, fueled by families with two incomes, changed the game for single-income families as well, pushing them down the economic ladder. To keep Mom at home, the average single-income family must forfeit decent public schools and preschools, health insurance, and college degrees, leaving themselves and their children with a tenuous hold on their middle-class dreams. Such pressures have taken these women out of the home and away from their children and simultaneously made family life less, not more, financially secure. Today’s middle-class mother is trapped: She can't afford to work, and she can't afford not to.”




LOL

Thanks for displaying a chart which proves my claim. That chart indicates no correlation whatsoever between marriage rates and unemployment rates. That should be even more obvious when we add in the 10 years you lopped off. Why didn't marriage rates plummet in 2007, and rise dramatically starting in 2010, just like unemployment rates? (Correlation is -0.28.) It should be screamingly obvious that unemployment rates are connected to recessions, not marriage rates.

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They did fall in 2007. They didn't come back because unemployment stayed persistently high and wages have been stubbornly low.



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No, I'm not Eugene Fama. I never said "markets are 100% perfectly efficient all the time." Unsurprisingly, you completely missed the point that trying to fix markets can cause other issues. Of course, you are welcome to try and prove that command economies are more efficient than market economies. Good luck with that.

I'm not arguing for a command economy.

lol... What "falling household formation rate?" Household size has barely budged since 1980. Do you not understand the legal definition of a household?

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Yeah, here's the thing. Household formation is not changing, and it is routine for government statistics to use household income.

You're not a separate household if you're still living with your parents.

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By the way, it's not that surprising that Millennials earn less than, say, the people who are in their prime earning years (i.e. 40s and 50s). What you'd really need to figure out is how much Millennials earn compared to people of the same age at different periods of time -- e.g., how much did a 25 year old earn, in 1970 and 1980 and 1990 and 2010, in inflation-adjusted dollars, compared to someone who is 25 years old in 2019? When we actually look at the data, we see the way the 2000s bubble inflated income, then depressed it; even so, for those ages 25-35, they are earning more than that cohort did in the 1990s.

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Next time, I suggest you understand the basic concepts, and get actual facts, before making further pronouncements.

Let's look at the same age group over time. Tell me what you see:

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That's hilarious. That's what I thought too when I saw his chart and him claiming he sees some correlation there.

Of course there is a correlation. This is well documented in well-cited papers:

David Loughran said:
A model in which women search for husbands characterized by their wages predicts increasing within-group male wage inequality, raises the expected value of continued marital search, and so lowers female marriage propensities. Using 1970, 1980, and 1990 census data, I test this hypothesis within geographically, racially, and educationally defined marriage markets. The estimates suggest rising male wage inequality accounted for 7% to 18% of the decline in the propensity to marry between 1970 and 1990 for white women and more-educated black women. Growing wage inequality appears to have had little effect on the marriage behavior of less-educated black women.

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It's especially appropriate since the context of this thread is "high rents" and it's the household, not individuals, that pays the rents.

The only point that he makes that I found might be onto something is the need for 2 incomes to do what 1 income used to be able to do. Apparently number of incomes per household has been pretty steady in fact after 80's but it did increase by about 20% from 60's to 80's. At the same time, median household income has NOT jumped from 60's to 80's, and continued to remain more or less steady after that. Again, this ONLY affects 20% of households. As I mentioned earlier, affordability that got lost is not concentrated on housing but is spread across all our life necessities.

Median household incomes staying the same as you get more earners on average per household doesn't mean that it only affects 20% of homes. It means that the median fell across the board, and that despite a 20% rise in dual income households.
 
So I take it you disagree with Elizabeth Warren on this....
I disagree with you twisting her words to your own declinist purposes.


They did fall in 2007. They didn't come back because unemployment stayed persistently high and wages have been stubbornly low.
Translation: You are so overwhelmed by motivated reasoning that can't read a chart properly. Good to know.


You're not a separate household if you're still living with your parents.
And again.... Despite a small percentage increase in 18-34 year olds living with parents, household sizes are not changing. Thus, household income is, in fact, a consistent measure.


Let's look at the same age group over time. Tell me what you see:
I see someone who cherry-picks data, and can't read charts.

The numbers of people going to college have increased since 1980. Thus, your chart is inconsistent, and does not accurately represent changes in incomes over time.
 
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