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Republicans, then and now.

bongsaway said:
I disagree. Reagan started it when he told the GOP that taxes and government are bad and that mantra has been carried forward ever since in the republican party. Trump is the end result of all of those decades of dog whistles to the base.
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You're a few decades off from the genesis of modern "conservative" thought. Calhoun, Byrd, Buchanan and the other grotesque aristocrats of Prince Edward County Virginia stewed up the current "economic argument for all problems" republican party we are all forced to endure. The genesis of their thought came from segregation, and their fight against it. They hid their true motive behind a pall of economic arguments, property supremacy above all, and a hypocritical denial of the liberty of citizens to form collective groups.

This is already coming to fruition; the SCOTUS rules in favor of Citizens United, allowing corporations (property) to have a major political voice; and, ruling against lawsuits that would have stopped mandated arbitration, and limits who can join class action lawsuits.

At the end of the day, the Trump presidency was a boon to these radical right wing libertarian ideas. The SCOTUS is set to ensure the census skews even more local elections to republicans, and to allow the continuation of the Redmap style gerrymandering which has ensured minority party control over the majority of citizens. More 5-4 rulings will further the divide by stoking more and more anger among left leaning people.

The country is fast approaching a boiling point, and these SCOTUS rulings may just be the match the tinderbox has been begging for.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
As far as I’m concerned if you oppose Trump you were never a Republican, because it means you’re for abortion, banning guns, liberal judges taking away the right of the people to the legislative process, regulatory overreach, and higher taxes and now socialism. If you’re a “Republican” who’s that liberal then You were really always a democrat and I’m glad such a person is gone from the party.

I’ve given money, worked in campaigns, and have been passionately a part of the party, and so I am loyal, a “Republican” who doesn’t support the nominee is not loyal and not worthy of the title
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This is the truth of the radical right. Party does indeed outweigh country; need to enforce your political economy and vision on the masses confirmed.

Take it in folks.

This is what blind adherence to ideology looks like.
 
code1211 said:
Well...

This is something new!

You are now saying that a person must charged with a crime to be charged with a crime?

This is a brand new standard to be used by anti Trumpers.
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No, I'm asking you what crimes Obama committed, and when was he charged with them. If he committed crimes, why has he not been charged? Trump is in charge of the DOJ now. Is he not interested in law and order?
 
EMNofSeattle said:
No, I had a point. And you know what it was, you’re just so partisan you care not to address it.
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I'm not partisan. If I was, I'd be an idiotic supporter of Donald Trump because he has an R after his name.

Fail less, if you possibly can. And try to clear the Clintons out of your head. Neither one of them is President.
 
Luther said:
Yeah.... right



Just like they Republicans poo pooed the greatest immigration study ever recommendations back in the 90's?


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Barbara Jordon was a force of Nature, I wish someone of her character still represented her district.
 
tres borrachos said:
No, I'm asking you what crimes Obama committed, and when was he charged with them. If he committed crimes, why has he not been charged? Trump is in charge of the DOJ now. Is he not interested in law and order?
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He was not charged with any crimes outside of violations of campaign finance laws as far as I know. Fines were paid.

Obama 2008 campaign fined $375,000 - POLITICO

There were various stupidities committed by the boy wonder including him offering a toast to the Queen at a state dinner during the British National Anthem. The awkwardness was painful. The Queen was regal.

Dereliction of duty is best illustrated by the dead bodies in Benghazi. He had an important fund raiser to attend, though, so, well, watch the movie.

During the last year of his corrupt attacks on American citizens, there were weekly multiple unmaskings of our spies by Sam Powers.

The IRS scandal was a disgrace. The GSA Las Vegas pics are just another in the continuing waste by our government. Not unusual for Washington DC, though. It's a cess pool and the rats are rats.

The Boeing settlement to resolve the Union driven shut down of the not-yet-opened South Carolina plant involved only pay-offs to the union and the NLRB lifted its sanctions in view of those pay-offs. Stunning.

Gibson guitar was shut down primarily because it was a non-union shop.

The Fast and Furious debacle was a doozy producing more dead bodies.

I don't disagree with this use of military power, but he was targeting for assassination various folks and droning them. This beats "boots on the ground", but it does violate American law.

Clinton's email server off site in violation of DOS rules that carry the weight of law which very likely provided information to hackers.

The various attacks on American citizens due to over regulation were costly. My favorite was the Wyoming rancher who created a pond on his private property and was fined more than $30,000/day for his trouble. In Wyoming.

There was also the Cash for hostages in Iran, the Bowe Bergdahl deal, Hezbollah Drugs, trying imprison journalists, illegally taping phones, Solyndra style money wasting and on and on.

And then, the Queen Mother of all American Scandals in our history: The coordinated attack on the opposition party candidate by the President and his party using the agencies of our government and others to interfere in an election.

In Obama's defense, though, he is from Chicago and by Chicago standards, all of this is pretty mild.
 
longview said:
Barbara Jordon was a force of Nature, I wish someone of her character still represented her district.
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Yeah... what of the "Repubs" Poo pooing the greatest immigration study ever?
 
Luther said:
Yeah... what of the "Repubs" Poo pooing the greatest immigration study ever?
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No defense here, Republicans are just as capable of being stupid as Democrats.
 
code1211 said:
He was not charged with any crimes outside of violations of campaign finance laws as far as I know. Fines were paid.

Obama 2008 campaign fined $375,000 - POLITICO

There were various stupidities committed by the boy wonder including him offering a toast to the Queen at a state dinner during the British National Anthem. The awkwardness was painful. The Queen was regal.

Dereliction of duty is best illustrated by the dead bodies in Benghazi. He had an important fund raiser to attend, though, so, well, watch the movie.

During the last year of his corrupt attacks on American citizens, there were weekly multiple unmaskings of our spies by Sam Powers.

The IRS scandal was a disgrace. The GSA Las Vegas pics are just another in the continuing waste by our government. Not unusual for Washington DC, though. It's a cess pool and the rats are rats.

The Boeing settlement to resolve the Union driven shut down of the not-yet-opened South Carolina plant involved only pay-offs to the union and the NLRB lifted its sanctions in view of those pay-offs. Stunning.

Gibson guitar was shut down primarily because it was a non-union shop.

The Fast and Furious debacle was a doozy producing more dead bodies.

I don't disagree with this use of military power, but he was targeting for assassination various folks and droning them. This beats "boots on the ground", but it does violate American law.

Clinton's email server off site in violation of DOS rules that carry the weight of law which very likely provided information to hackers.

The various attacks on American citizens due to over regulation were costly. My favorite was the Wyoming rancher who created a pond on his private property and was fined more than $30,000/day for his trouble. In Wyoming.

There was also the Cash for hostages in Iran, the Bowe Bergdahl deal, Hezbollah Drugs, trying imprison journalists, illegally taping phones, Solyndra style money wasting and on and on.

And then, the Queen Mother of all American Scandals in our history: The coordinated attack on the opposition party candidate by the President and his party using the agencies of our government and others to interfere in an election.

In Obama's defense, though, he is from Chicago and by Chicago standards, all of this is pretty mild.
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No idea why you posted all of this. You admit Obama was never charged with crimes, and your wall of text didn't mention any criminal activity.
 
tres borrachos said:
No idea why you posted all of this. You admit Obama was never charged with crimes, and your wall of text didn't mention any criminal activity.
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Obama was never charged with crimes as president. Except as related to the cash used in his campaign for president. Violations occurred, fines were paid.

Was Trump or the Trump Campaign fined for violations of the law by the FEC for actions during the election? I can't seem to find the reference in the Google-verse.

Maybe you can help.
 
code1211 said:
Obama was never charged with crimes as president. Except as related to the cash used in his campaign for president. Violations occurred, fines were paid.

Was Trump or the Trump Campaign fined for violations of the law by the FEC for actions during the election? I can't seem to find the reference in the Google-verse.

Maybe you can help.
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I never said Trump or his campaign was charged with a crime, so why are you asking me about something I never said?
 
Luther said:
But people still play the game?

Why?
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For me? Within the scope of History, I see the Republican actions as slightly more protective of personal freedom
than the Democrats actions. Both have good and bad, but the choice is the lessor of two evils.
 
longview said:
For me? Within the scope of History, I see the Republican actions as slightly more protective of personal freedom
than the Democrats actions. Both have good and bad, but the choice is the lessor of two evils.
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I see the Republican actions as slightly more protective
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I see, so "Death by a thousand cuts" is okay(LOL)



Both have good and bad, but the choice is the lessor of two evils
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Yep, and you will just keep hearing that till the day we die
 
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Luther said:
I see, so "Death by a thousand cuts" is okay(LOL)
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People heal between cuts, but the complete surrender of our freedoms to the nanny state,
would be a death blow to our freedoms.
The political left in the US seemed to have assumed Kipling's burden, only now
the burden is to help us unfortunates who see the role of government differently than the political left.
 
longview said:
People heal between cuts, but the complete surrender of our freedoms to the nanny state,
would be a death blow to our freedoms.
The political left in the US seemed to have assumed Kipling's burden, only now
the burden is to help us unfortunates who see the role of government differently than the political left.
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People heal between cuts, but the complete surrender of our freedoms to the nanny state,
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Really? You're being duped

So we don't have the progressive income tax regardless who is in power?

Look at this massive redistribution of wealth from your Republicans - The Earned Income Tax Credit and the Child Tax Credit: History, Purpose, Goals, and Effectiveness | Economic Policy Institute

I wrote a piece many moons ago called the "parallel line"

Meaning as Republicans and democrats go back and fourth in power, our country is being destroyed regardless . That's the parallel line .
 
Luther said:
Really? You're being duped

So we don't have the progressive income tax regardless who is in power?

Look at this massive redistribution of wealth from your Republicans - The Earned Income Tax Credit and the Child Tax Credit: History, Purpose, Goals, and Effectiveness | Economic Policy Institute

I wrote a piece many moons ago called the "parallel line"

Meaning as Republicans and democrats go back and fourth in power, our country is being destroyed regardless . That's the parallel line .
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I know both sides are capable of limiting personal freedom, I simply see the Republican as less likely drive off the road completely.
 
longview said:
I know both sides are capable of limiting personal freedom, I simply see the Republican as less likely drive off the road completely.
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Yes, I know

Have at it
 
longview said:
For me? Within the scope of History, I see the Republican actions as slightly more protective of personal freedom
than the Democrats actions. Both have good and bad, but the choice is the lessor of two evils.
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You're kidding right? Do you remember the bush/cheney administration? They allowed spying on all americans without a warrant. How about the current attack on women's rights? No collective bargaining in some republican controlled states. How the republicans in the power positions have managed to hoodwink their base for all these decades is beyond me.
 
bongsaway said:
You're kidding right? Do you remember the bush/cheney administration? They allowed spying on all americans without a warrant. How about the current attack on women's rights? No collective bargaining in some republican controlled states. How the republicans in the power positions have managed to hoodwink their base for all these decades is beyond me.
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Do you remember the bush/cheney administration? They allowed spying on all americans without a warrant.
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And did Obama and these dims do away with it early in his presidency?


No collective bargaining in some republican controlled states
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Public sector or private sector unions?
How the republicans in the power positions have managed to hoodwink their base for all these decades is beyond me.
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To me, democrats are no different
 
tres borrachos said:
Republicans used to put country before party. That changed when Trump won the nomination.
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Racism--the complete loss of perspective after the Black guy sat in the White's house--drove the Republican party off the cliff. They hooked up with the KKK and neo Nazis of the "alt Right" and have never looked back.
 
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