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Democrats ARE For Open Borders

CharisRose said:
When a person or persons snips or ignores context they can then use the :bs:spin: tactic to twist the words to fit their negative mindset concerning their opposition.

That is one of the many tactics used by the "any means necessary crowd" to spread their liberal open-minded :2funny:mindset.

Roseann:)
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I know, huh?
Now where is my pyramid of Pinocchio(s)? :lol:
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Which doesn't magically make them for 'open borders'.

Are you sure you understand what that term actually means? Doesn't look that way.
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Exactly. All the link shows is that the Dems give a **** about what happens within our borders unlike Republicans.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
The only context that matters. Sorry, you guys do it to us ALL the time. Don't like it? Tough beans.

"This is being done to greatly reduce, or eliminate, Illegal Immigration coming from Mexico and into the United States."

I consider the matter closed and the issue solved.
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I think you may need to read the dictionary to understand the meaning of the words used in sentence to understand context.

Without context you more often than not will be getting a wrong impression on what was stated.

Wrong impression ='s the ability to use the unfair :bs:rofl tactic. ;)

Roseann:)
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
You don't believe your own hero, that's your problem.
What part of "greatly reduce, or eliminate" don't you understand?
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Are you a mind reader?

There you go again using the :bs:spin: tactic on not only Trump but fellow forum posters.

Read the dictionary to get better understanding of the words.

Roseann:)
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
You don't believe your own hero, that's your problem.
What part of "greatly reduce, or eliminate" don't you understand?
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I particularly love the part where you quote specific words and your opposition keeps moving the goal posts and saying you are spinning. It's pretty fun to watch.
 
CharisRose said:
I think you may need to read the dictionary to understand the meaning of the words used in sentence to understand context.

Without context you more often than not will be getting a wrong impression on what was stated.

Wrong impression ='s the ability to use the unfair :bs:rofl tactic. ;)

Roseann:)
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I think he also needs to explain why he labeled you a "Bircherite" or he should own up, and apologize for being wrong again.
 
CharisRose said:
Manifesto of the Communist Party

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Section II has made clear the relations of the Communists to the existing working-class parties, such as the Chartists in England and the Agrarian Reformers in America.

The Communists fight for the attainment of the immediate aims, for the enforcement of the momentary interests of the working class; but in the movement of the present, they also represent and take care of the future of that movement. In France, the Communists ally with the Social-Democrats(1) against the conservative and radical bourgeoisie, reserving, however, the right to take up a critical position in regard to phases and illusions traditionally handed down from the great Revolution.

In Switzerland, they support the Radicals, without losing sight of the fact that this party consists of antagonistic elements, partly of Democratic Socialists, in the French sense, partly of radical bourgeois.

In Poland, they support the party that insists on an agrarian revolution as the prime condition for national emancipation, that party which fomented the insurrection of Cracow in 1846.

In Germany, they fight with the bourgeoisie whenever it acts in a revolutionary way, against the absolute monarchy, the feudal squirearchy, and the petty bourgeoisie.

But they never cease, for a single instant, to instill into the working class the clearest possible recognition of the hostile antagonism between bourgeoisie and proletariat, in order that the German workers may straightway use, as so many weapons against the bourgeoisie, the social and political conditions that the bourgeoisie must necessarily introduce along with its supremacy, and in order that, after the fall of the reactionary classes in Germany, the fight against the bourgeoisie itself may immediately begin.

The Communists turn their attention chiefly to Germany, because that country is on the eve of a bourgeois revolution that is bound to be carried out under more advanced conditions of European civilisation and with a much more developed proletariat than that of England was in the seventeenth, and France in the eighteenth century, and because the bourgeois revolution in Germany will be but the prelude to an immediately following proletarian revolution.

In short, the Communists everywhere support every revolutionary movement against the existing social and political order of things.

In all these movements, they bring to the front, as the leading question in each, the property question, no matter what its degree of development at the time.

Finally, they labour everywhere for the union and agreement of the democratic parties of all countries.

The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communistic revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win.

Roseann:)
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Were you expecting me to jump up and high five or something?
Listen, you go ahead and live in that Bircher world of paranoia if you wish.
No rational person can take you seriously if you do however.
This is red baiting, and it makes you look like a cartoon.
 
trixare4kids said:
I think he also needs to explain why he labeled you a "Bircherite" or he should own up, and apologize for being wrong again.
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LOL Neither will happen but that's okay freedom of speech, thought, opinion etc. for all!!! All, with one exception those deplorable Trumpanzies:shock:

Roseann:)
 
CharisRose said:
I think you may need to read the dictionary to understand the meaning of the words used in sentence to understand context.

Without context you more often than not will be getting a wrong impression on what was stated.

Wrong impression ='s the ability to use the unfair :bs:rofl tactic. ;)

Roseann:)
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What part of reatly reduce, or eliminate do you fail to understand?
You're not going to get to weasel out of this one.
 
CharisRose said:
LOL Neither will happen but that's okay freedom of speech, thought, opinion etc. for all!!! All, with one exception those deplorable Trumpanzies:shock:

Roseann:)
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Look at you speaking to your ilk in that fancy bubble you live in so you can get all that reinforcement of what a permanent victim that you're not. :lol:
 
poweRob said:
I particularly love the part where you quote specific words and your opposition keeps moving the goal posts and saying you are spinning. It's pretty fun to watch.
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I suggest ALL on the liberal, Left or Democratic side do the same.
Trump painted himself into a corner. Time to apply sealer and varnish.
Case is closed, Trump has declared it as such VERBATIM, and now it is time for all good men to hold his supporters to account.
FOREVER.

See my sig :)
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Were you expecting me to jump up and high five or something?
Listen, you go ahead and live in that Bircher world of paranoia if you wish.
No rational person can take you seriously if you do however.
This is red baiting, and it makes you look like a cartoon.
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Nah, I don't expect anything from you except for spin, name calling and a pinocchio pyramid.

I don't live in a world of paranoia. I don't chase an utopian dream world. I live in the real world and accept what happens.

I don't have emotional out bursts when a President I didn't vote for gets into office.

I don't stress over who the current President is or who the next President maybe.

So, the future may be Trump wins in 2020 and Vice President Pence wins the next election or not and one of the many others may or may not be the future President.

Do you have a favorite picked out yet?

We, will need to wait and see what happens.

Roseann:)
 
CharisRose said:
I got one of those from the checkerboard you can borrow it, if you like!

Roseann:)
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Only one? Or a bushel? ;)

Btw, not to belabor the point but Trump never said what checkerboard strangler claimed, "the illegal problem is fixed now".

That is why context is so important in these discussions... A gloating Trump tweet snipped out of context to prove the above poster's statement is simply dishonest.

A Joint Declaration between the two countries came on Friday, reading in part:

"Mexico will take unprecedented steps to increase enforcement to curb irregular migration, to include the deployment of its National Guard throughout Mexico, giving priority to its southern border. Mexico is also taking decisive action to dismantle human smuggling and trafficking organizations as well as their illicit financial and transportation networks."

U.S.-Mexico Joint Declaration - United States Department of State
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
What part of reatly reduce, or eliminate do you fail to understand?
You're not going to get to weasel out of this one.
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I like a challenge, why would I want to weasel out?

I had to go find the post where Trix provided you with the full quote since you like to eliminate context using your chosen words while ignoring other words.

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I am pleased to inform you that The United States of America has reached a signed agreement with Mexico. The Tariffs scheduled to be implemented by the U.S. on Monday, against Mexico, are hereby indefinitely suspended. Mexico, in turn, has agreed to take strong measures to....
....stem the tide of Migration through Mexico, and to our Southern Border. This is being done to greatly reduce, or eliminate, Illegal Immigration coming from Mexico and into the United States

Note: one of the words that helps with the context concerning the The Tariffs scheduled to be implemented by the U.S. on Monday, against Mexico is indefinitely.

Indefinitely - If a situation will continue indefinitely, it will continue forever or until someone decides to change it or end it.

(The visit has now been postponed indefinitely.)

Indefinitely definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary

The next word that helps is suspended.

suspend - to stop something from being active, either temporarily or permanently:

(The ferry service has been suspended for the day because of bad weather.)

SUSPENDED | definition in the Cambridge English Dictionary

Next is a group of words also helps with context

"Mexico, in turn, has agreed to take strong measures to...stem the tide of Migration through Mexico, and to our Southern Border."

stem the tide - To stop something from continuing or worsening.

(Once the people turn on you, you'll have a hard time stemming the tide of rebellion.)

Stem the tide - Idioms by The Free Dictionary

Now for the words you like...

This is being done to greatly reduce, or eliminate, Illegal Immigration coming from Mexico and into the United States.

greatly- very much

(Her piano-playing has improved greatly.)

GREATLY | definition in the Cambridge English Dictionary

reduce - to make something less in size, amount, degree, importance, or price:

(A low-fat diet can reduce the risk of heart disease)

or

eliminate - to remove or take away something:

(You can never totally eliminate the possibility of human error)

What parts of that sentence do you not understand?

Trump did not eliminate the Tariffs for a reason. The reason being that the Tariffs will be implemented again if Mexico doesn't keep up their end of the agreement.

I live in the real world and understand that you need to wait to see what happens before you think something is a fact.

Trump was expressing what he hopes will happen in the future via this agreement and it will only be a fact when it happens.

imho Roseann:)
 
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trixare4kids said:
Only one? Or a bushel? ;)

Btw, not to belabor the point but Trump never said what checkerboard strangler claimed, "the illegal problem is fixed now".

That is why context is so important in these discussions... A gloating Trump tweet snipped out of context to prove the above poster's statement is simply dishonest.

A Joint Declaration between the two countries came on Friday, reading in part:

"Mexico will take unprecedented steps to increase enforcement to curb irregular migration, to include the deployment of its National Guard throughout Mexico, giving priority to its southern border. Mexico is also taking decisive action to dismantle human smuggling and trafficking organizations as well as their illicit financial and transportation networks."

U.S.-Mexico Joint Declaration - United States Department of State
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I got the infamous pinocchio pyramid from the checkerboard!

I agree, Trump never said what checkerboard strangler claimed Trump said.

I agree, context is important in these discussions. Yes, it is dishonest.

Thanks, for the information.

Roseann:)
 
maxparrish said:
Checkerboard, I've been reading the exchanges. A word of advice, these two gals have pounded the crap out of your "arguments". I suggest you quit while you're behind.

Max
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"This is being done to greatly reduce, or eliminate, Illegal Immigration..."

Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "I am pleased to inform you that The United States of America has reached a signed agreement with Mexico. The Tariffs scheduled to be implemented by the U.S. on Monday, against Mexico, are hereby indefinitely suspended. Mexico, in turn, has agreed to take strong measures to...."
 
Acadia said:
The Left forgets that the front door has been closed from time to time because America decided when, who and how many with regards to immigration. Now, it's like they believe America isn't allowed to exercise its sovereignty, because we have to take in all the world's poor and oppressed.
We're the most generous country in the world, yet it'll never be enough.
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I actually have some sympathy for the world's poor and oppressed and feel sorry for them. But, our country is only so big, we already owe over 22 trillion dollars, and we just can't support billions of people who would be better off in the US rather than wherever they are. If we need legal immigrants to fill unfilled jobs then fine, move legal immigration numbers one way or the other to fit our needs. But the front door is the front door.
 
OscarLevant said:
Yeah, that's probably why Obama became known as the "deportation King."

Hah!
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He became known for that because Democrats of all kinds attacked him for it because Democrats are the party for open Borders.
 
Moderate Right said:
I actually have some sympathy for the world's poor and oppressed and feel sorry for them. But, our country is only so big, we already owe over 22 trillion dollars, and we just can't support billions of people who would be better off in the US rather than wherever they are. If we need legal immigrants to fill unfilled jobs then fine, move legal immigration numbers one way or the other to fit our needs. But the front door is the front door.
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I'm tentatively optimistic that the majority of the country is uncomfortable washing their hands of the humanitarian crisis on our southern border. Especially considering the devastation our domestic and foreign policies have had on those countries as well as those in the middle east. I don't believe the country as a whole is as frightened of poor brown as the majority of the Republican party seems to be but I suppose we'll see in the next election.
 
So are Republicans. And business owners. They love it because it's cheap labor. Besides, shouldnt the new "conservatives" of the "republican" movement love this idea? After all, their entire political platform has been subverted by radical right libertarianism, which -loves- open borders, due to its super cheap labor.
 
Master Debator said:
I'm tentatively optimistic that the majority of the country is uncomfortable washing their hands of the humanitarian crisis on our southern border. Especially considering the devastation our domestic and foreign policies have had on those countries as well as those in the middle east. I don't believe the country as a whole is as frightened of poor brown as the majority of the Republican party seems to be but I suppose we'll see in the next election.
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No one should come here illegally. No one. It's not a racist thing. And, there are literally billions of people in the world who would be better off in the US rather than where they are. We're only so big and we already owe 22 trillion dollars. They shouldn't be coming here illegally on our dime. If life is that bad in Central America then we should use our military to invade these countries and take them over as our own and get rid of all the thugs and corrupt government so that these people could stay where they are instead of doing the perilous journey to the US. If we are going to be the country all of the poor and oppressed come to then we need to be expansionist and bring the US to them instead of the other way around.
 
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