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bongsaway said:
In your opinion what is the most distasteful thing you've heard our now president utter?

For me it was candidate trump inviting our worst adversary, russia, to look into his opponent's (enemy's) emails. Russia if you're listening...

That should have sent alarm bells ringing across the country, instead the folks on the right with their hatred of 'the libtards' cheered and chanted lock her up.

Disgraceful, how far the GOP has fallen.

And before folks start the TDS stuff maybe you should look at yourselves and ask why would I vote for a person inviting a foreign state to meddle in our elections? And not just any foreign state, russia.
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"I don't care. I believe Putin." -- Donald Trump, in a meeting with his own intelligence professionals.
 
bongsaway said:
In your opinion what is the most distasteful thing you've heard our now president utter?

For me it was candidate trump inviting our worst adversary, russia, to look into his opponent's (enemy's) emails. Russia if you're listening...

That should have sent alarm bells ringing across the country, instead the folks on the right with their hatred of 'the libtards' cheered and chanted lock her up.

Disgraceful, how far the GOP has fallen.

And before folks start the TDS stuff maybe you should look at yourselves and ask why would I vote for a person inviting a foreign state to meddle in our elections? And not just any foreign state, russia.
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There are so many things:

His racist leading of the birther movement was pretty horrible.

His lying about Muslims cheering the fall of the twin towers on 9/11 (I wonder how many death threats innocent Americans received because of this lie?)

His launch of his campaign by accusing Mexico of "sending rapists to the U.S.".

His accusing Megyn Kelly of "having blood coming out of her whatever" just because she was doing her job.

While in Helsinki, praising Putin while throwing our own intelligence agencies under the bus (I still think that's treason).

His recent desecration of our WWII heroes graves by bashing his political opponents with the heroes' gravestones in the background.

Call me a "TDSer", I don't care. I don't understand how anyone could defend this behavior.
 
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CharisRose said:
History refresher;

The EC vote is the only way to get elected to be The POTUS.

Until, there is a Constitutional Amendment to amend that fact the popular vote is just a political talking point and remains useless to get one elected to be The POTUS.

Doesn't matter how she lost the EC vote.

All that matters is that she lost the EC vote and that is why she is not The POTUS today.

Roseann:)
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What caused you to think I didn’t already know that? Are you always so presumptuous?
 
trixare4kids said:
Is it me or have you also noticed that Trump hater's threads are getting more laughably absurd by the day?
IME, it's probably because down inside themselves, they know nobody is going to beat Trump in 2020.
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Here is what I find interesting about the Hillary email statement made by Trump and the oppositions interpretation.

On July 27, 2016, Trump called on Russia to find presidential Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton’s missing emails.

“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” Trump proclaimed. He added, “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”

On that date the private server that contained all of her emails had been wiped so completely they could not be revived and it wasn't caused by Hillary wiping the server with a cloth.

Note: Trump used the word "find" based on the above sentence they could not "find" them because they were wiped.

Now, let's say that Russia took the bait and produced those emails, that would lend credence to the accusations that Russia could have hacked her server prior to it being wiped.

Trump's last thought "that the press would mightily reward the press" is because he thought that if Russia made those emails available to them, that they would willingly publish that info for Russia.

He wasn't asking Russia to hack something that could not be hacked because you can't hack a blank server.

All this was simply political talking points, using catchy wording to remind potential voters that Hillary's emails were missing and could never be found since the server was wiped clean.

Then, reminding them that some of the press didn't pay much attention to her server being wiped and that her emails will forever be missing in a snarky reference to the press.

Well, that is the first thing I thought about when I heard his statement because I knew that the server was wiped long before he made that political talking point.

Roseann:)
 
ocean515 said:
Anyone who can't discern a joke from an invitation should probably not be allowed to vote.

Just a thought.....
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Are you familiar with his twitter comment repeating the same "joke" ?
 
CharisRose said:
Here is what I find interesting about the Hillary email statement made by Trump and the oppositions interpretation.

On July 27, 2016, Trump called on Russia to find presidential Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton’s missing emails.

“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” Trump proclaimed. He added, “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”

On that date the private server that contained all of her emails had been wiped so completely they could not be revived and it wasn't caused by Hillary wiping the server with a cloth.

Note: Trump used the word "find" based on the above sentence they could not "find" them because they were wiped.

Now, let's say that Russia took the bait and produced those emails, that would lend credence to the accusations that Russia could have hacked her server prior to it being wiped.

Trump's last thought "that the press would mightily reward the press" is because he thought that if Russia made those emails available to them, that they would willingly publish that info for Russia.

He wasn't asking Russia to hack something that could not be hacked because you can't hack a blank server.

All this was simply political talking points, using catchy wording to remind potential voters that Hillary's emails were missing and could never be found since the server was wiped clean.

Then, reminding them that some of the press didn't pay much attention to her server being wiped and that her emails will forever be missing in a snarky reference to the press.

Well, that is the first thing I thought about when I heard his statement because I knew that the server was wiped long before he made that political talking point.

Roseann:)
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An interesting bit fictional interpretation. Completely unbelievable, but Trumpsters don’t care about facts or truth.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
What caused you to think I didn’t already know that? Are you always so presumptuous?
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I can't read your mind.

I read what you posted and based on what I read... You mentioned the popular vote as a history refresher, as if it was a factor in the election of The POTUS.

So, I simply provided my two cent knowledge on the subject.

Thank You for letting me know that you already knew about that, so now you can simply disregard my two cents based on your knowledge.

By the way, why did you mention the popular vote as if it mattered in the election of The POTUS when it doesn't matter?

Roseann:)
 
RaleBulgarian said:
An interesting bit fictional interpretation. Completely unbelievable, but Trumpsters don’t care about facts or truth.
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No big deal. I don't think like you and I am very content with my thought process.

And your condemnation of my thought process is just a talking point without any substance of fact or truth and I find it completely unbelievable and a non-interesting bit of fictional interpretation.

Roseann:)
 
CharisRose said:
History refresher;

The EC vote is the only way to get elected to be The POTUS.

Until, there is a Constitutional Amendment to amend that fact the popular vote is just a political talking point and remains useless to get one elected to be The POTUS.

Doesn't matter how she lost the EC vote.

All that matters is that she lost the EC vote and that is why she is not The POTUS today.

Roseann:)
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That is not true. The Constitution gives States the right to choose how they select electors. We do not need an amendment.

The Constitution gives states full control over how they allocate their electoral votes. The current winner-take-all method, in which the winner of the statewide popular vote wins all of that state's electoral votes, is a choice—and states can choose differently. Under the National Popular Vote interstate compact, states choose to allocate their electoral votes to the candidate who wins the most popular votes in all 50 states and DC. This compact takes effect only when enough states sign on to guarantee that the national popular vote winner wins the presidency. That means states with a combined total of 270 electoral votes—a majority of the Electoral College—must join the compact for it to take effect.

The National Popular Vote plan has bipartisan support and has been introduced in all 50 state legislatures. To date, 10 states and DC have passed legislation to enter the compact for a combined total of 165 electoral votes, meaning the compact is over 60% of the way to activation.
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The days of minority Presidents are soon going to be over.

A National Popular Vote for President - FairVote
 
CharisRose said:
I can't read your mind.

I read what you posted and based on what I read... You mentioned the popular vote as a history refresher, as if it was a factor in the election of The POTUS.

So, I simply provided my two cent knowledge on the subject.

Thank You for letting me know that you already knew about that, so now you can simply disregard my two cents based on your knowledge.

By the way, why did you mention the popular vote as if it mattered in the election of The POTUS when it doesn't matter?

Roseann:)
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You got it wrong because you selectively/deliberately misinterpreted my comment.

jimbo’s and my posts in consecutive order;
jimbo said:
And even today 3 years later the left still hasn't learned the lesson. There's good reason to assume Hillary lost at least enough votes with that one statement to cost her the election. Guess what? Those illiterate, shockingly gullible, bigot loving, knuckle dragging idiots, aren't going to vote for a D candidate in 2020 either.
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RaleBulgarian said:
History refresher; Clinton won the popular vote. She didn’t lose the EC vote because of any one statement either. Please brush up on facts before opining next time. ;)
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jimbo was clearly confused about what body put Trump in the White House. I clarified that it wasn’t the American voters, as the majority of them voted for Clinton. Rather, it was the EC, and no one comment of Clinton’s made any difference.

You’re welcome for the clarification.
 
bongsaway said:
In your opinion what is the most distasteful thing you've heard our now president utter?

For me it was candidate trump inviting our worst adversary, russia, to look into his opponent's (enemy's) emails. Russia if you're listening...

That should have sent alarm bells ringing across the country, instead the folks on the right with their hatred of 'the libtards' cheered and chanted lock her up.

Disgraceful, how far the GOP has fallen.

And before folks start the TDS stuff maybe you should look at yourselves and ask why would I vote for a person inviting a foreign state to meddle in our elections? And not just any foreign state, russia.
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A biting joke highlighting Clinton's gross negligence at best wanton disregard for the law at worst. The woman should not have gotten anywhere near the presidency.

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CharisRose said:
No big deal. I don't think like you and I am very content with my thought process.

And your condemnation of my thought process is just a talking point without any substance of fact or truth and I find it completely unbelievable and a non-interesting bit of fictional interpretation.

Roseann:)
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Self confidence is a healthy thing. Stating opinion as fact without any proof, as you did, is just bloviating.
 
iguanaman said:
That is not true. The Constitution gives States the right to choose how they select electors. We do not need an amendment.



The days of minority Presidents are soon going to be over.

Can the Electoral College System Be Changed? - Fact / Myth

Abolish the Electoral College? Proceed at One's Own Risk. | RealClearPolitics

Can the Electoral College system be changed? | PBS NewsHour Weekend

Like all things political the outcome is up for debate.

I guess, we will need to just wait and what happens as the debate and process moves forward.

Roseann:)
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gdgyva said:
so far...which states have joined?

thats right...blue states

good luck getting red states
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We just need a majority of electoral votes for the plan to kick in.

Koza’s organization is working to change the winner-takes-all system in favor of an interstate compact that will allow states to give their electoral votes to the presidential candidate who wins the most national votes. So far, 14 states have signed on to the agreement, and hold a combined 184 electoral votes. The agreement can be enacted once there are a combined 270 electoral votes between the participating states to allocate to the presidential candidate with the most national votes.


“The most important problem to us is because of [the winner-takes-all system], candidates only campaign in a handful of states,” Koza said. He added that presidential candidates and sitting presidents alike have made promises to enact “policies based on what battleground states they want to win.”

Most Americans prefer the popular vote, as well. A recent poll from the Public Religion Research Institute found that 65% of Americans said presidential elections should be decided by the national popular vote, while 32% said the Electoral College should decide.
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Why Democrats Want to Abolish Electoral College and Republicans Don'''t | Fortune

Like with most things, the now-defunct GOP is totally out of touch with voters views and desires. :lamo Most Americans don't want Roe vs. Wade overturned either. It's a wonder that they survived this long.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
You got it wrong because you selectively/deliberately misinterpreted my comment.

jimbo’s and my posts in consecutive order;




jimbo was clearly confused about what body put Trump in the White House. I clarified that it wasn’t the American voters, as the majority of them voted for Clinton. Rather, it was the EC, and no one comment of Clinton’s made any difference.

You’re welcome for the clarification.
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I responded to your post, which had limited information, which you stated was a history refresher concerning Hillary and the popular vote.

I provided factual information.

And history backs me up that the Previous Duly Elected Presidents of The United States, just like the The Duly Elected 45th President was elected via the EC even when a past candidate (Gore) won the popular vote and lost the Presidency via the EC process.

So, you mentioning Clinton getting the popular vote remains meaningless as far as history goes even when connected to the statement made by Jimbo or all the excuses Hillary made for her loss, since the history of the previous popular vote win did not result in a win to the Presidency.

FACT CHECK: Gen. David Petraeus on the 0.45%

Hillary Clinton’s Popular Vote Win Came Entirely from California

Hillary Clinton garnered 4.3 million more votes than Donald Trump in the nation's most populous state.

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If the election was decided by the popular vote, than we would be swearing in a President Hillary Clinton.

But that’s not how it works. And — as he has said many time — if Donald Trump was campaigning for the popular vote, rather than the electoral vote, he would have campaigned much differently.

But he didn’t and Hillary’s margin of victory in that state was 4.3 million votes — or 61.5 percent

And therein lies the rub.

The purpose of the Electoral College is to prevent regional candidates from dominating national elections…

If you take California out of the total, Donald Trump won the popular vote by 1.4 million.

Popular Vote numbers: Clinton 65,853,514 versus Trump 62,984,828

EC Numbers: Trump 304 Clinton 227

imho Jimbo was not confused what "Body" put Trump in the White House.

The popular vote did not put Clinton in the White House. The EC voting "Body" put Trump in the White House.

Based on the fact that until there is a change The Legitimate American Voters "Body" are counted via the EC and not by the popular count.

imho You tried to rewrite history and offered up the idea that the Popular American Voter "Body" was the legitimate voting body and the EC vote was not the legitimate voting "Body".

So, explain how your mention of Hillary winning the popular vote mattered in history concerning the fact that she lost the Presidency due to the EC vote to show Jimbo needed a history lesson from you which "Body" put Trump in the White House?

Roseann:)
 
Bullseye said:
I've noticed that too. Possibly the crushing disappointment of the Mueller fantasy, er. . .report is being to sink in. I peaked in at our old forum checking to see what his take was; you remember is mantra for over two years was "just you wait, just wait". Turns out he has posted for over three months. Guess the crushing blow took the winds out of his sails.
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Make that "he HASN'T posted . . .". :wink:
 
Bullseye said:
I've noticed that too. Possibly the crushing disappointment of the Mueller fantasy, er. . .report is being to sink in. I peaked in at our old forum checking to see what his take was; you remember is mantra for over two years was "just you wait, just wait". Turns out he has posted for over three months. Guess the crushing blow took the winds out of his sails.
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How delighfully delusional.

The Mueller report demonstrated twump's criminality.

You haven't read it so you wouldn't know.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
How delighfully delusional.

The Mueller report demonstrated twump's criminality.

You haven't read it so you wouldn't know.
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I have read it, and I do know. You're still operating on fantasy hopes and "how could he let us down" mentality. I can tell you hope bad I feel for you and your crew. :cry:
 
bongsaway said:
In your opinion what is the most distasteful thing you've heard our now president utter?

For me it was candidate trump inviting our worst adversary, russia, to look into his opponent's (enemy's) emails. Russia if you're listening...

That should have sent alarm bells ringing across the country, instead the folks on the right with their hatred of 'the libtards' cheered and chanted lock her up.

Disgraceful, how far the GOP has fallen.

And before folks start the TDS stuff maybe you should look at yourselves and ask why would I vote for a person inviting a foreign state to meddle in our elections? And not just any foreign state, russia.
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Since you don't understand what he said or what he meant, I can see why you are upset.
 
Bullseye said:
I have read it, and I do know. You're still operating on fantasy hopes and "how could he let us down" mentality. I can tell you hope bad I feel for you and your crew. :cry:
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What fun it must be to pretend you've read it. You haven't.

He didn't let anyone down. He wrote it specifically so that congress could continue what he started.

Pathetic that you're compelled to live a life of fantasy when your god twump is in SO much legal jeopardy.

Sad, but fun! Sadfun!
 
CharisRose said:
I responded to your post, which had limited information, which you stated was a history refresher concerning Hillary and the popular vote.

I provided factual information.

And history backs me up that the Previous Duly Elected Presidents of The United States, just like the The Duly Elected 45th President was elected via the EC even when a past candidate (Gore) won the popular vote and lost the Presidency via the EC process.

So, you mentioning Clinton getting the popular vote remains meaningless as far as history goes even when connected to the statement made by Jimbo or all the excuses Hillary made for her loss, since the history of the previous popular vote win did not result in a win to the Presidency.

FACT CHECK: Gen. David Petraeus on the 0.45%

Hillary Clinton’s Popular Vote Win Came Entirely from California

Hillary Clinton garnered 4.3 million more votes than Donald Trump in the nation's most populous state.

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If the election was decided by the popular vote, than we would be swearing in a President Hillary Clinton.

But that’s not how it works. And — as he has said many time — if Donald Trump was campaigning for the popular vote, rather than the electoral vote, he would have campaigned much differently.

But he didn’t and Hillary’s margin of victory in that state was 4.3 million votes — or 61.5 percent

And therein lies the rub.

The purpose of the Electoral College is to prevent regional candidates from dominating national elections…

If you take California out of the total, Donald Trump won the popular vote by 1.4 million.

Popular Vote numbers: Clinton 65,853,514 versus Trump 62,984,828

EC Numbers: Trump 304 Clinton 227

imho Jimbo was not confused what "Body" put Trump in the White House.

The popular vote did not put Clinton in the White House. The EC voting "Body" put Trump in the White House.

Based on the fact that until there is a change The Legitimate American Voters "Body" are counted via the EC and not by the popular count.

imho You tried to rewrite history and offered up the idea that the Popular American Voter "Body" was the legitimate voting body and the EC vote was not the legitimate voting "Body".

So, explain how your mention of Hillary winning the popular vote mattered in history concerning the fact that she lost the Presidency due to the EC vote to show Jimbo needed a history lesson from you which "Body" put Trump in the White House?

Roseann:)
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You mean to say it is the GOP's only way to win the Whitehouse and that is not written anywhere in the Constitution. It was not meant to disenfranchise millions of voters and enable a minority candidate to win. 65% of Americans believe the President should be decided by popular vote. It's going to change so get used to it. You are right about "campaigning differently" too, no longer will all the attention be given to a handful of battleground States. A candidate will need to go after votes in all States, you can't deny that that is a good thing for our nation.
 
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