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Why do racist democrats try to blame their history on republicans?

Fruityfact said:
I'll agree that effort is some part of the factor.
Do you have any hard evidence beyond anecdote that supports the above?
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It's a function of psychology and attitude, which then results in effort. Effort (and thus results) is the final product of one's internal mental status. Lack of effort isn't necessarily laziness or stupidity, it's based on conditioning as well. If I don't think I'm worthy to be a network manager, I'll apply for lower helpdesk positions despite my actual ability. This will manifest itself superficially as a lack of effort. I'm on my own 'helpdesk reservation' so to speak, and it never occurs to me to go for the network manager job regardless of my actual ability. To the layman, I'm not living up to my potential, I'm lazy.

Social attitudes (external factors) that would keep me on that mental reservation would include the following: My race is a victim of another race, and I need the help of a political party to advance my success. This party will make that naughty race like my race, therefore I can achieve more. In the meantime, I have less confidence in myself and effort suffers. I see on TV every day how my race is "disadvantaged" and there are various disparities compared to other races that are doing much better than mine. I learn that they will spot me 50 points in the SAT because I'm a member of a pitied race. What a confidence booster.

It's only theoretical and I can't say for certain whether the individual effort of blacks is indeed hampered due to social attitudes. However, I can't conceive that their effort would be boosted by 'hands up don't shoot' type of media and affirmative action. Indeed, these items do serve to increase effort - but effort towards increasing opportunity and electing democrats. The opportunity is there - it is the individual effort that is lacking. Rather than effort being directed in a personal manner, this effort is wasted on the external - "group think", if you will.

Admittedly, I am of the mind that personal effort and behavior is responsible for about 99% of success. Despite the fact that Trump, who is "clearly" for the whites, I can ruin my success instantly by choosing to do meth or engage in other low-income behaviors that would reduce my forward progress to success. Trump can't help me. Not even David Duke could help me.
 
Rickeroo said:
True, less applicants reduces the competition for jobs. If I was low-skilled, I'd be concerned about the border because I'd have competition from other fruit pickers. However, current American society treats immigrants as Spanish speaking only, in need of various assistance programs. That a Guatemalan would forsake their native language and learn English, including technology, isn't really considered - by the immigrants themselves or our government. When I apply for a networking job, which requires knowledge of TCP/IP and routing technologies, I have no fear that someone who jumped the southern border would be competing with me. Everyone thinks an immigrant's purpose isn't to assimilate and compete at my level, but to remain illiterate in English and vote democrat.
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So you're saying your statement:

Rickeroo said:
I am vehemently opposed to any program or social psychology that serves to reduce that effort.
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Is nonsense.

What you really vehemently oppose, according to your post, is any program or social psychology that reduces the effort required of black and brown skinned people. But If a program or social psychology serves to reduce the effort required of Whites, you're fine with it, and in fact justify it.

That's what your post says. Is that what you believe?
 
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Marxistleninist said:
Southern white Christians who were at that time democrats better known as Dixiecrat's, who were thrown out of the democratic party , same cancerous lice, now republicans

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Dang. If Lyndon Johnson said that, he nailed the typical Trump supporter perfectly, the exact strategy Trump uses. Give LBJ props.


EDIT: According to Snopes, LBJ did say that. FACT CHECK: Did LBJ Advocate: 'Convince the Lowest White Man He's Better Than the Best Colored Man'?

Props LBJ, props.
 
Virgil Jones said:
Republicans actually freed the slaves. You know, the party of Lincoln? How do you explain that?
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Are you really that ignorant of your own history, and need a Canadian to explain it to you? SMH, just google Southern Strategy, and spend a bit of time learning about your own country.
 
I can't believe this ****show has been allowed to go on for nearly 50 pages.
 
JustHanging said:
So you're saying your statement:



Is nonsense.

What you really vehemently oppose, according to your post, is any program or social psychology that reduces the effort required of black and brown skinned people. But If a program or social psychology serves to reduce the effort required of Whites, you're fine with it, and in fact justify it.

That's what your post says. Is that what you believe?
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I'll be happy to clarify. Current social psychology serves to reduce the personal effort of a Hispanic immigrant: it's racist to expect them to learn English. It's kind to offer them programs to help out their low-income status. Their is no onus of success - onus of assimilation - put on that immigrant. Programs and low expectations will supposedly make up for this. This immigrant, let's call him Juan, feels he doesn't have to expend effort for success, since programs and government will expend effort on his behalf. His personal effort requirement is supposedly reduced. Juan is the 'beneficiary' of a "reduces the effort required" program.

However, I notice that Juan still can't speak English and he's not competing with me at the network manager interview. I benefit as a direct result of low expectations for Juan. He's still being coddled with a translator and news stories about how Trump hates him.

While coddling Juan helps me by keeping Juan down and out of my interviews, it certainly doesn't help Juan. Each individual - not matter the race - needs to be expected to perform.
 
JustHanging said:
Racists and White Supremacists love spreading rumors of "No Go Zones".

Donald Trump claimed London has 'no-go' areas
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I know, and living in England and knowing London intimately (having lived there most of my life until recently), I can tell you unequivocally that these alleged 'no-go zones' just don't exist. Of course, like any big city with areas of higher crime and deprivation, there are areas where perhaps one should exercise a little common-sense at night if out alone. But 'no-go zones'? They exist only in the minds of those with agendas.
 
Rickeroo said:
It's a function of psychology and attitude, which then results in effort. Effort (and thus results) is the final product of one's internal mental status. Lack of effort isn't necessarily laziness or stupidity, it's based on conditioning as well. If I don't think I'm worthy to be a network manager, I'll apply for lower helpdesk positions despite my actual ability. This will manifest itself superficially as a lack of effort. I'm on my own 'helpdesk reservation' so to speak, and it never occurs to me to go for the network manager job regardless of my actual ability. To the layman, I'm not living up to my potential, I'm lazy.
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This seems like quite an elaborate theory. Did you come up with it on your own? Did you learn it from a textbook/person?

Anyways, your claim is essentially that offering free lunches for hungry kids at school and having scholarships for the poor are keeping black people on "mental reservation" which is keeping them poor and lazy?
 
Virgil Jones said:
Slavery, democrats did that. Jim Crowe, also democrats. Segregation, democrats. The KKK, yes you guessed it, also democrats.

Meanwhile the Republican party was founded to end slavery, and led by Abraham Lincoln.

In today's America, on college campuses the democrats have reintroduced segregation, having all black graduation ceremonies, so that evil whites will not spoil the event.
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The Progressive Marxist Socialist/DSA promotion of Abortion/Eugenics is also racist, yet not one PMS/DSA Democrat would or will admit it. Even though Margaret Sanger said it was...

Margaret Sanger: Birth Control a Eugenic Solution
Margaret Sanger: Birth Control a Eugenic Solution
Jan 02, 2018 ~~ Sanger wrote that “Any social progress...must purge itself of sentimentalism and pass through the crucible of science. We are willing to submit Birth Control to this test.” In the realm of sentimentalism, Margaret Sanger proved that she could successfully weave eugenics and birth control together. Submitted to the crucible of science, however, birth control failed the test.
 
Doc91478 said:
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The Progressive Marxist Socialist/DSA promotion of Abortion/Eugenics is also racist, yet not one PMS/DSA Democrat would or will admit it. Even though Margaret Sanger said it was...

Margaret Sanger: Birth Control a Eugenic Solution
Margaret Sanger: Birth Control a Eugenic Solution
Jan 02, 2018 ~~ Sanger wrote that “Any social progress...must purge itself of sentimentalism and pass through the crucible of science. We are willing to submit Birth Control to this test.” In the realm of sentimentalism, Margaret Sanger proved that she could successfully weave eugenics and birth control together. Submitted to the crucible of science, however, birth control failed the test.
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Sanger was a pro.lifer. you own her
 
Fruityfact said:
This seems like quite an elaborate theory. Did you come up with it on your own? Did you learn it from a textbook/person?

Anyways, your claim is essentially that offering free lunches for hungry kids at school and having scholarships for the poor are keeping black people on "mental reservation" which is keeping them poor and lazy?
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A mental reservation is not unlike an electric fence. Certain decisions and certain concepts are forbidden by that fence. Believing the fence is electrified, and thus not expending the effort to cross it, isn't out of laziness, it's out of self-preservation. Sadly, the fence isn't electrified and the feelings of self-preservation (staying on the reservation) are all for naught.
 
Rickeroo said:
A mental reservation is not unlike an electric fence. Certain decisions and certain concepts are forbidden by that fence. Believing the fence is electrified, and thus not expending the effort to cross it, isn't out of laziness, it's out of self-preservation. Sadly, the fence isn't electrified and the feelings of self-preservation (staying on the reservation) are all for naught.
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So by helping people we are hurting them?
 
Fruityfact said:
So by helping people we are hurting them?
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Its newspeak. Peace thru war. The way for the government to help you is to ignore you.

At least according to the ministry of truth
 
vegas giants said:
Its newspeak. Peace thru war. The way for the government to help you is to ignore you.

At least according to the ministry of truth
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That explains the thread title. Racist Republicans actually try to blame their history on Democrats.
 
Fruityfact said:
So by helping people we are hurting them?
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It depends on one's definition of 'help'. If all that counts is the intention to help, then no matter the result, help is achieved. If someone helps me by giving me $2, but causes a $3 loss as a result, there is a net hurt of $1, and no help was actually given.
 
Rickeroo said:
It depends on one's definition of 'help'. If all that counts is the intention to help, then no matter the result, help is achieved. If someone helps me by giving me $2, but causes a $3 loss as a result, there is a net hurt of $1, and no help was actually given.
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The ministry of truth has spoken
 
Manc Skipper said:
That explains the thread title. Racist Republicans actually try to blame their history on Democrats.
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Racist Republicans did not form the KKK in the South to fight Republican efforts to help blacks during the Reconstruction. Those were racist Democrats, the same Democrats who would not let blacks sit at lunch counters or ride beside them on buses or let them attend white public schools. The same white democrats who would not let blacks room with whites in the college Hillary graduated from.
 
marke said:
Racist Republicans did not form the KKK in the South to fight Republican efforts to help blacks during the Reconstruction. Those were racist Democrats, the same Democrats who would not let blacks sit at lunch counters or ride beside them on buses or let them attend white public schools. The same white democrats who would not let blacks room with whites in the college Hillary graduated from.
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1950 called. They want their post back
 
marke said:
Before you return the info let Manc read it. He seemed interested in white racist democrat history.
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You love ancient history. Currently blacks do not vote gop
 
Virgil Jones said:
Slavery, democrats did that. Jim Crowe, also democrats. Segregation, democrats. The KKK, yes you guessed it, also democrats.

Meanwhile the Republican party was founded to end slavery, and led by Abraham Lincoln.

In today's America, on college campuses the democrats have reintroduced segregation, having all black graduation ceremonies, so that evil whites will not spoil the event.
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Here's the big problem: When LBJ signed the 1964 civil rights act, the racist southern Democrats abandoned the Democratic party and called themselves Dixiecrats. These dixiecrats ended up registering as Republicans in the late 60s and so forth.

That's why the south is now solidly red. Look up the Southern strategy. Now the new battlefront is against LGBTQ people. Look no further than states passing laws preventing towns, cities, and counties from adding sexual orientation and gender identity to their protected class list.

My point here as a moderate and as a registered Republican, there's no right is evil, left is great dynamic or vice-verse. We have bad people on both ends, hence why I am a moderate. One could easily argue that the roles have reversed, but I am not here to call anybody a bigot. That would be wrong on my part.
 
vegas giants said:
You love ancient history. Currently blacks do not vote gop
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White democrats keep promising blacks money and gifts in exchange for votes, leaving many blacks hooked on poverty for not abandoning government dependence in exchange for better jobs and growing prosperity to be achieved by individual efforts in the free market workplace.
 
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