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Straight Pride Parades

Chillfolks said:
Luckily for Boston the mayor has already said their peraonal views are not a factor in the determination. If the city decides to deny the Straight Pride permit after it meets the same qualifications as imposed on the Gay Pride parade they will be looking at a lawsuit. Denying a permit based on sexual orientation is illegal.
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Exactly why marty walsh wont open his mouth. He doesn't want to but knows a lawsuit is coming his way and he knows its a winner.
 
Chillfolks said:
Luckily for Boston the mayor has already said their peraonal views are not a factor in the determination. If the city decides to deny the Straight Pride permit after it meets the same qualifications as imposed on the Gay Pride parade they will be looking at a lawsuit. Denying a permit based on sexual orientation is illegal.
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You believe a denial would be based on discrimination against heteros?
 
Chillfolks said:
Says the peraon crying ans wailing about a Straight Pride parade possibility.
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Objecting to bigotry is "crying and wailing". Well, I guess that says all we need to hear.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Every gay friend I have, or ever HAVE had, says that self-loathing closeted gay men are perhaps some of the most dangerous people on Earth, and always have been. I don't normally dig that deep into the gay psyche...ahem, not normally.
This is something that they have all brought up at some time or another, I guess it just comes up in conversation, but it wasn't so very all consuming until the last few years. That is when I've heard it brought up the most.

I venture it's because so many self-loathing closeted gay men, mostly gay WHITE men but a few in the minorities as well, are acting out against the out gay population, on behalf of the Christian straights on the Right, or in any case, according to their PERCEIVED concept OF it "being on behalf of" Christian straights on the Right.

I bet any amount of money that Lindsey Graham is a self-loathing closeted gay Christian Right male Republican.
And this is what they do, and they do it vindictively, and it's that special "Hellfire Enhanced Pearl Clutching" style vindictiveness which is so dangerous.

And Miss Lindsey is outright pathological.
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Getting on my soapbox here. I have listened to gays talk about the 'self-loathing' ones plenty. I have some fundamental disagreements with some of their views. 1. Nothing pisses me and most other gays off more, than some straight guy pscho-analysing our orientation and our responses to it. See, I get to tell you I am gay or straight or bi, you don't get to tell me squat about whether I am right about my orientation, whether I am being honest with myself, or whether I am confused, or if my Dad was too distant or about my mothers aprons strings unless I ask your opinion.


So why to many gays feel entitled to refer to anyone else as a self loathing queer, or as a 'closet case'? Why do they feel free to identify anyone's orientation to anyone. If I have 'gaydar', its not there so I can gossip about what it tells me about someone we both work with! I can think you are a closet case, and keep my damn mouth shut, and you can think I am a confused straight guy who hasn't met the right woman. But you can keep your mouth shut too. If Graham says he is straight, than as far as I am concerned, he stays straight. What he loaths about himself, is none of my business either, whether it is alcohol, or gambling or whips and chains. Closet cases in public office are not dangerous because they are in the closet. They are dangerous because they cower to the voters in their district and give them what they want - even if they are morally wrong to do so.

if you don't think there are liberal male politicians with their wife by their side, and two teens in the family Christmas photo, sitting in their own closet, while they vote for civil rights inclusion, you are naïve. And I am delighted to have their vote!
 
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ecofarm said:
You believe a denial would be based on discrimination against heteros?
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Yes if the same requirements are meet equally but receive diffent outcomes based only on the difference in the sexual orientation of the parade I would consider it discrimination. Now if the Straight Pride organizers fail to meet the standards as the Gay Pride parade or the city can cite a legitimate security concern the Straight Pride parade poses that the Gay Pride parade didn't that is a diffent story.
 
ecofarm said:
Objecting to bigotry is "crying and wailing". Well, I guess that says all we need to hear.
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Good then shut up and stop crying ans wailing.
 
Grand Mal said:
I'm not and haven't been to a parade but it looks like a party, a celebration. On the news. And I get the reference to Black Panther insignia and the shock value. It's part of how a balanced centre is found- one extreme being confronted by the opposite.
If I were gay in some parts of the US I'd be nervous watching the anti-abortion action happening and I'd wonder where the conservative gaze will fall next. The rights and freedoms won by liberals over the years need to be protected by vigilance and determination. Nothing is ever settled in politics.
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The problem with the 'Donald Trump is progressive' line of crap I keep hearing from Trumpsters, is that it does not matter one whit whether he supports same sex marriage, if he puts justices on the court who do not see a privacy right in the constitution. Whether they don't see one that applies to women's reproduction, or they don't see one protecting me from a sodomy law, they still don't see one!


Donald thinks I am interested in his opinion on Obergefell as 'settled law' with the kinds of justices he is going to appoint?
 
Chillfolks said:
Yes if the same requirements are meet equally but receive diffent outcomes based only on the difference in the sexual orientation of the parade I would consider it discrimination.
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Discrimination, sure. Discrimination against heteros? Any other parades denied to heteros?
 
Chillfolks said:
Good then shut up and stop crying ans wailing.
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Haha.

Okay, tell me this. If there was such a thing as majority pride that's not bigoted (there is not), why isn't it hetero pride parade? Straight is a bigoted term. How they gonna use a bigoted term in the title and you tell us it's not bigoted. You can't expect people to believe that. You don't believe that.
 
ecofarm said:
Discrimination, sure. Discrimination against heteros? Any other parades denied to heteros?
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It depends on the reason for denial. I'm going to need to wait till the final decision is made and the reasoning before I can say if it was discrimination against heteros or not.

I also haven't seen anything that wouldn't allow gay people to participate in this Straight Pride parade if they so choose. Nor anything that wouldn't allow straight people to participate in the Gay Pride parade.
 
ecofarm said:
Haha.

Okay, tell me this. If there was such a thing as majority pride that's not bigoted (there is not), why isn't it hetero pride parade? Straight is a bigoted term. How they gonna use a bigoted term in the title and you tell us it's not bigoted. You can't expect people to believe that. You don't believe that.
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Unless my gay know-how is on the ebb, "Straight" is a term which was coined by the community. It was gay slang for heteros.
 
calamity said:
Unless my gay know-how is on the ebb, "Straight" is a term which was coined by the community. It was gay slang for heteros.
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Hetero is to gay as straight is to __ ?

Crooked, bent, broken, roundabout? What ya got. Whatever ya got, straight is better.
 
Chillfolks said:
It depends on the reason for denial. I'm going to need to wait till the final decision is made and the reasoning before I can say if it was discrimination against heteros or not.

I also haven't seen anything that wouldn't allow gay people to participate in this Straight Pride parade if they so choose. Nor anything that wouldn't allow straight people to participate in the Gay Pride parade.
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If no other applications by heteros have been denied, I don't think you can pin it on that. I think yours is a bigoted hedge with which to cry victim should the group be denied for any reason.
 
ecofarm said:
Haha.

Okay, tell me this. If there was such a thing as majority pride that's not bigoted (there is not), why isn't it hetero pride parade? Straight is a bigoted term. How they gonna use a bigoted term in the title and you tell us it's not bigoted. You can't expect people to believe that. You don't believe that.
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What definition of bigoted are you using? I'm using the Merriam-Webster that defines:

bigoted adjective
big·​ot·​ed | \ ˈbi-gə-təd \
Definition of bigoted
: blindly devoted to some creed, opinion, or practice.

Nothing about the term straight meets that definition.
 
Chillfolks said:
Nothing about the term straight meets that definition.
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If one thing is straight, the other is, by contrast ___ ?

Not as good.

The term, in this context, is bigoted. Not the word. Duh.
 
Anagram said:
In the United States?
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Sorry...in other [more?] civilized countries.

There are laws against inciting violence however and there is also common sense. If cities choose not to hand a rally permit to a hate group (it's obvious that's all 'straight pride' and 'white pride' groups are), it's because they don't want another Charlottesville on their hands.
 
ecofarm said:
If one thing is straight, the other is, by contrast ___ ?

Not as good.

The term, in this context, is bigoted. Not the word. Duh.
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I don't see that at all. We are no where near close in how we view the term straight.
 
Chillfolks said:
Straight is to gay
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No.

Straight means something. Before it meant hetero. The word was not invented for orientation.

The opposite of straight is crooked, broken or some such. It's bad. Straight means good. So it's bigoted.
 
ecofarm said:
No.

Straight means something. Before it meant hetero. The word was not invented for orientation.

The opposite of straight is crooked, broken or some such. It's bad. Straight means good. So it's bigoted.
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You can repeat yourself all you want but I still disagree with how you are framing it. If a different argument is presented then I am open to hearing, but how you're currently presenting it isn't working to change my mind. All I see is you saying unless you agree with me you are bigoted.
 
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