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Voter Suppression: Alive & Well

Frigidweirdo said:
Yes, it's a problem that can only be solved by people standing up and demanding PR happen. Otherwise the rich keep control of the political system, and even if people talk about PR, you'll have millions of minions should about how bad PR is, when they don't have a clue.
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Political tribes being what they are and the overall strength of the upper elites to muscle in on the matter. Dictate that I wholly agree with you.
 
rocket88 said:
It may not be your motive, but it is the motive of the Republicans.
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No, it's what you believe the motive of the republicans to be and usually so without looking into their reasoning.
 
Oborosen said:
(sigh)... is this BS still an issue to people... really?

Gerrymandering is done by both the republicans and the democrats. So arguing that when the republicans do it, it's because of racism, or just simple "blocking" the minority vote. Which I would still love to see the evidence for in the first place. Is highly unlikely.

Saying that republicans are working to remove minority votes from the ballot, or blocking them. Is still just as much of a wasteful concept. Seeing as they haven't been blocking anyone. Voter ID laws are easy to work with and anyone who thinks that any person in the "minority" demographic can't do something as simple as get a license. Are simply just as racist as they intend to claim of the republicans.

Historically the democrats have always done better with minority voters. Despite their obvious history with racism.

This is nothing new.
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It's easy to do politics if you make up the facts. The US has had never had slavery. Women have ALWAYS had equal rights like the right to vote. Get your facts right, liberals!
 
Frigidweirdo said:
What's needed is Proportional Representation. Then you can't gerrymander, there's nothing to gerrymander.
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How would voters know who 'their' representative was with proportional?
 
Craig234 said:
How would voters know who 'their' representative was with proportional?
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Let's compare Germany with the US.

In the US there are usually two viable candidates. One Republican and one Democrat. Seeing how the third party in the US, the Libertarians have 0 senators (federal or state), 0 house members (federal or state), zero presidents, zero governors, we can safely say it's a solid two party system.

In Germany there are six viable political parties. SPD (traditional left) CDU/CSU (traditional right), FDP (Centre right), AfD (further right), die Linke (further left), die Gruene (Environmental left).

Germany sets a 5%+ requirement on political parties to get PR seats.

If it were at 3% there might be one or two other viable parties.


When a German votes PR they know that if that party gets more than 5% of the votes, their vote counts.
When an American votes, there's a large chance their vote doesn't really count. Especially if there's heavy gerrymandering or if they live in a place which has such a strong leaning to one of the two parties.

So, Americans can vote for whoever they like. But they'll get either Republican or Democrat and chances are their vote won't be that important in the large scale of thing. Germans can vote for who they like and 94.5% of those who voted, had the representation they asked for. Positive voting.

The representative is their political party. They vote for the policies they want, they vote for what that party stands for. They get that representation.

For example. A left wing environmentalist. They got for the Greens, chances are they'll get represented by the Greens.

A left wing environmentalist in the US will probably vote for the Democrats and get ignored by the Democrats because environmentalism isn't a key part of the Democrat's platform. In fact the Democrats and Republicans have to be kind of vague, except for certain key issues which generally go down to war, guns and abortion.

A clear example is the difference between the AfD in Germany and UKIP in the UK.

The UK has FPTP like the US.

In 2015 UKIP gained 12.6% of the vote and got one seat.
In 2017 the AfD gained 12.6% of the vote and got 90 seats.

Same percentage of people, for parties with similar aims. One leads to massive representation for their voters, the other leads to almost nothing because one seat in Parliament means almost nothing.
 
Craig234 said:
It's easy to do politics if you make up the facts. The US has had never had slavery. Women have ALWAYS had equal rights like the right to vote. Get your facts right, liberals!
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Lying through your teeth doesn't help you look less dishonest. Neither does being hyperbolic.
 
Craig234 said:
It's not easy to get them to admit the truth, but FACT CHECK: Did North Carolina Admit to Targeting Black Voters with a 'Voter ID' Law?
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So even though it can't be proven to be completely because of some racial line. Only partly, and in one state no less where one specific opinion had to be latched onto... Yeah and this is why most journalist as called activist now a days.

So the moment I read about another man who joins a pro-feminist movement, only so he can get closer and force himself onto the women. That means all men who align themselves to such progressive groups are actually sexual predators.

Not so fun when others play by such easily twisted rules now is it?
 
Oborosen said:
So even though it can't be proven to be completely because of some racial line. Only partly, and in one state no less where one specific opinion had to be latched onto... Yeah and this is why most journalist as called activist now a days.

So the moment I read about another man who joins a pro-feminist movement, only so he can get closer and force himself onto the women. That means all men who align themselves to such progressive groups are actually sexual predators.

Not so fun when others play by such easily twisted rules now is it?
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His brain was squirming like a toad. Your demand is for all Republican leaders who do this to confess to it being to suppress black votes - you are incapable of analyzing the issue any other way.

The policies, the motives are exactly the same across the country for these same actions - your analogy to the bizarre man joining feminism is a false analogy, which you can't understand. The facts are useless to you, and even a confession, you can't understand and twist yourself to try to say 'oh, it's only in that case'.
 
Oborosen said:
Lying through your teeth doesn't help you look less dishonest. Neither does being hyperbolic.
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And that's the last time I plan to interact with you.
 
Craig234 said:
His brain was squirming like a toad. Your demand is for all Republican leaders who do this to confess to it being to suppress black votes - you are incapable of analyzing the issue any other way.

The policies, the motives are exactly the same across the country for these same actions - your analogy to the bizarre man joining feminism is a false analogy, which you can't understand. The facts are useless to you, and even a confession, you can't understand and twist yourself to try to say 'oh, it's only in that case'.
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No, unlike you I am capable of critical thought. If all you can do is claim spurious reasons that you yourself can't even prove with what little you've brought to the table. Then don't fill the gaps with lies.

It only makes your argument look more fallacious.
 
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