Tammy Duckworth labels Trump a coward

Mycroft said:

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You using the "but...but....but....Bill Clinton!" Argument falls flat.

Conservatives repeatedly attacked Clinton for dodging the draft.

If him doing it is bad, then Donald Trump doing it is also bad.

It doesn't magically become okay for Trump to do a thing you lot shrieked about just because someone else has done it.

Hypothetical said:

well this is based on hearsay first off. we have no idea what the truth is by that article, whether he had the spurs or not, or whether the daughters are lying or not, etc..

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A man who said "avoiding STDS was my Vietnam" and who attacked POWs doesn't get the benefit of the doubt, especially when one considers his actions during that time period.

Perotista said:

I think what I'm looking for is some consistency in our politics.

In today's world of politics, that will never happen.

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I’m not nearly so pessimistic, “There is nothing wrong with America that can’t be fixed by what is right with America.” Divisiveness IS the problem, therefore, tRump is not the answer. In fact the biggest job of our next President will be restoring dignity and honor to the Office of President of The United States which tRump has debased and disgraced.

tres borrachos said:

I guess that explains why nobody ever posts about him, right Mycroft? That explains why you didn't mention his name in this thread, is that right?

So am I to understand during his Presidency you told everyone who complained about his lack of service that it was a "nothingburger".

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I see no reason to respond to you since you haven't understood a word I've said here today.

Mycroft said:

I see no reason to respond to you since you haven't understood a word I've said here today.

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Translation - I lost and I have to run away.

Yes, Mycroft, it's what I expect from someone who makes dishonest posts like you do.

Tigerace117 said:

You using the "but...but....but....Bill Clinton!" Argument falls flat.

Conservatives repeatedly attacked Clinton for dodging the draft.

If him doing it is bad, then Donald Trump doing it is also bad.

It doesn't magically become okay for Trump to do a thing you lot shrieked about just because someone else has done it.

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Congrats, you somehow managed to learn how to copy and paste.

That doesn't change the fact.

Rexedgar said:

How do you feel about Trump’s remarks regarding Vietnam during the Piers Morgan interview?


I don’t want to post the entire thing........Highlights from Trump'''s "Good Morning Britain" interview with Piers Morgan - Axios

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I didn't watch it. I've pretty much put Trump on ignore. I know I won't be voting for him in 2020 and just hope we make it that far. I noticed when Trump first announced and ran before the primaries that he would say one thing one day, the complete opposite the next and deny saying anything at all on the third. If that isn't enough to put the guy on ignore simple because you can't trust a thing he says, I don't know what is. I'll say this, I was born right after WWII, Trump is the first president I'm not comfortable with. All the others with all their flaws, their different political ideology, different political parties, you name it. I was comfortable with them leading the nation. Trump, I'm not.

Vietnam is ancient history. There's not that many around anymore that served in Vietnam. I think one should be jumping on Trump for his policies, for what he has done and hasn't done as president, for his uncouth very unpresidential behavior, a million and one things. However, evading the draft 45-50 years is about as minor an infraction if one views it an infraction as one can get.

This just occurred to me, quite a lot of folks on the left condemn the Vietnam War and praised the draft dodgers and evaders prior to Trump. How come now those same folks are coming down hard on Trump for doing what they praised so many before? Does it have something to do with the R next to his name?

Irwin Corey said:

I’m not nearly so pessimistic, “There is nothing wrong with America that can’t be fixed by what is right with America.” Divisiveness IS the problem, therefore, tRump is not the answer. In fact the biggest job of our next President will be restoring dignity and honor to the Office of President of The United States which tRump has debased and disgraced.

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I can buy that.

Perotista said:

I didn't watch it. I've pretty much put Trump on ignore. I know I won't be voting for him in 2020 and just hope we make it that far. I noticed when Trump first announced and ran before the primaries that he would say one thing one day, the complete opposite the next and deny saying anything at all on the third. If that isn't enough to put the guy on ignore simple because you can't trust a thing he says, I don't know what is. I'll say this, I was born right after WWII, Trump is the first president I'm not comfortable with. All the others with all their flaws, their different political ideology, different political parties, you name it. I was comfortable with them leading the nation. Trump, I'm not.

Vietnam is ancient history. There's not that many around anymore that served in Vietnam. I think one should be jumping on Trump for his policies, for what he has done and hasn't done as president, for his uncouth very unpresidential behavior, a million and one things. However, evading the draft 45-50 years is about as minor an infraction if one views it an infraction as one can get.

This just occurred to me, quite a lot of folks on the left condemn the Vietnam War and praised the draft dodgers and evaders prior to Trump. How come now those same folks are coming down hard on Trump for doing what they praised so many before? Does it have something to do with the R next to his name?

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I agree with your bolded. My father arrived on Utah Beach 75 years ago. I am probably a few years your junior and I agree with your position. I will fully admit that I cannot get past the man. Many people here and other places say, respect the office if not the man.” I cannot get on board with that sentiment although I agree with some of POTUS’ policies. I think “bull in the china shop” applies to our current leader. Trump doesn’t respect “the office,” imo.

Rexedgar said:

my research makes it three......The first post-9/11 vets are running for president. Do voters care? - POLITICO

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Thanks!

So, only a lousy three out of 23/24, and none of them stand a chance anyway. But an interesting tidbit from your article:

"... poll of registered Democratic voters ... only a third said military service in the candidate’s background is very or somewhat important to their decision ..."

Makes one wonder why the left on this board is so upset that Trump didn't serve in the military.

Barnacle said:

Thanks!

So, only a lousy three out of 23/24, and none of them stand a chance anyway. But an interesting tidbit from your article:

"... poll of registered Democratic voters ... only a third said military service in the candidate’s background is very or somewhat important to their decision ..."

Makes one wonder why the left on this board is so upset that Trump didn't serve in the military.

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IMO, only a small piece of the puzzle. It’s not that he didn’t serve, it the flag humping, POW hating, Gold Star hating all the while touting how he loves him some military. He made up for his Vietnam service avoidance with, first 700 billion and then 716 billion dollars that he “gave “ the military.

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IMO, only a small piece of the puzzle. It’s not that he didn’t serve, it the flag humping, POW hating, Gold Star hating all the while touting how he loves him some military. He made up for his Vietnam service avoidance with, first 700 billion and then 716 billion dollars that he “gave “ the military.

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Yeah, I see ... the usual whining coming out again ... :lol:

Barnacle said:

Yeah, I see ... the usual whining coming out again ... :lol:

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Your reputation preceded you, but I had to try........:2wave:

Rexedgar said:

I agree with your bolded. My father arrived on Utah Beach 75 years ago. I am probably a few years your junior and I agree with your position. I will fully admit that I cannot get past the man. Many people here and other places say, respect the office if not the man.” I cannot get on board with that sentiment although I agree with some of POTUS’ policies. I think “bull in the china shop” applies to our current leader. Trump doesn’t respect “the office,” imo.

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Trump is an easy man to dislike. He grates on folks, rubs them the wrong way. I had a friend of mine say that even if he agreed 100% with all of Trump's policies, he could never vote for the man. It's the man, his obnoxious persona more fit for a wrestler in the WWE than as an occupant of the White House. It his uncouth and very distasteful personality that drives me nuts.

It's isn't so much his policies, like with every other president in my lifetime, I agreed with some, disagreed with others and didn't give a dang about the rest. It's Trump's schoolyard bulling tactics, him throwing temper tantrums, calling other names like a five year old kid whose parents didn't teach him any manners. I disliked the man ever since the time in 2015 he said something akin to our POWs were bad soldiers because they got caught. I know that was a dig at McCain, but I took it personal.

Perotista said:

I didn't watch it. I've pretty much put Trump on ignore. I know I won't be voting for him in 2020 and just hope we make it that far. I noticed when Trump first announced and ran before the primaries that he would say one thing one day, the complete opposite the next and deny saying anything at all on the third. If that isn't enough to put the guy on ignore simple because you can't trust a thing he says, I don't know what is. I'll say this, I was born right after WWII, Trump is the first president I'm not comfortable with. All the others with all their flaws, their different political ideology, different political parties, you name it. I was comfortable with them leading the nation. Trump, I'm not.

Vietnam is ancient history. There's not that many around anymore that served in Vietnam. I think one should be jumping on Trump for his policies, for what he has done and hasn't done as president, for his uncouth very unpresidential behavior, a million and one things. However, evading the draft 45-50 years is about as minor an infraction if one views it an infraction as one can get.

This just occurred to me, quite a lot of folks on the left condemn the Vietnam War and praised the draft dodgers and evaders prior to Trump. How come now those same folks are coming down hard on Trump for doing what they praised so many before? Does it have something to do with the R next to his name?

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There's a difference between not serving in a war you don't support and not serving in a war you do support

If you believe a war is immoral, then you have a moral obligation to avoid service. If you don't, you have a moral obligation to not avoid serving

sangha said:

There's a difference between not serving in a war you don't support and not serving in a war you do support

If you believe a war is immoral, then you have a moral obligation to avoid service. If you don't, you have a moral obligation to not avoid serving

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Okay. Now you do have a lot of folks that will if they're Democratic, they only support wars Democrats starts and oppose wars Republicans start. Vice versa is also true, Republicans support wars under a Republican president and oppose those under a Democratic president.

I've seen this time and time again. I suppose that is normal politics though. Especially today with polarization and partisanship so high. I remember when Jimmy Carter pardoned all the Vietnam draft dodgers. A lot of Vietnam Vets were highly upset. I just shrugged and moved on. I did what I did in Vietnam, others did what they did in Vietnam, others fled to Canada or found someway to avoid being drafted to keep from serving in the military and Vietnam if it came to that. Today, it makes no difference to me who did what.

I'd just like to see condemnation or those who defend and protect a president for draft evasion or dodging be equal and and a heart felt belief, not being decided by either the R or the D next to a president's name.

Perotista said:

Okay. Now you do have a lot of folks that will if they're Democratic, they only support wars Democrats starts and oppose wars Republicans start. Vice versa is also true, Republicans support wars under a Republican president and oppose those under a Democratic president.

I've seen this time and time again. I suppose that is normal politics though. Especially today with polarization and partisanship so high. I remember when Jimmy Carter pardoned all the Vietnam draft dodgers. A lot of Vietnam Vets were highly upset. I just shrugged and moved on. I did what I did in Vietnam, others did what they did in Vietnam, others fled to Canada or found someway to avoid being drafted to keep from serving in the military and Vietnam if it came to that. Today, it makes no difference to me who did what.

I'd just like to see condemnation or those who defend and protect a president for draft evasion or dodging be equal and and a heart felt belief, not being decided by either the R or the D next to a president's name.

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There is a lot of truth in what you said, but the VN War was a special case. It was a "Democrat war" but the opposition to it came from Democrats (and other leftists) so it doesn't really fit the partisan description

Rogue Valley said:

Senator Tammy Duckworth Says Trump Has A ‘Yellow Streak Down His Back’

The military veteran called out the president for what he said to Piers Morgan about not serving in the Vietnam War.

"Bone-spurs" didn't prevent Trump from playing sports in his school at draft age. The baseball and basketball teams.



Ouch. That left a mark and rightfully so. I agree with Lieutenant Colonel/Senator Duckworth 110%. Trump is a total poltroon who purchased his personal safety at the expense of others.

Related: Did a Queens Podiatrist Help Donald Trump Avoid Vietnam?

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All this for something that happened decades ago? So, apparently she's gone from being a brave, honorable warrior to a mindless political hack. What a shame.

Barnacle said:

(yawn)

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Im sure she wondered how many of our late presidents served and was likewise offended by their blunders?
What's the deal here? Here I thought hypercons were going crazy criticizing every word that came out of Omama's mouth.

sangha said:

There is a lot of truth in what you said, but the VN War was a special case. It was a "Democrat war" but the opposition to it came from Democrats (and other leftists) so it doesn't really fit the partisan description

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I never looked at it that way. I mean being a Republican or democratic war. I reconcile Vietnam or look at Vietnam as a battle we lost in the much larger cold war, a cold war that we won. Was it worth it, I don't know as none of us know how the much larger cold war would have turned out or what hot spot of the globe would have been next if we hadn't tried to stop the advance of communism there in Southeast Asia. I do know from my time there we gave countries like Thailand time to strengthen itself both militarily and to become more united. To a point where Thailand could stand on its own against North Vietnam.

I also think our stand in Vietnam stopped or at least halted more adventurous exploits by the USSR and Red China elsewhere around the globe. There are numerous other aspects few ever take into consideration about Vietnam.

Wars, I know the partisans like to label them Republican or Democratic. But most continue through multiple administrations. Truman first sent troops into Saigon and established MAAG Vietnam in 1950, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ and Nixon continued on with it. Abet to varying extents.

More recently, Iraq, first Desert Storm under G.H.W. Bush, then Desert Fox, enforcement and retaliation of the no fly zone under Bill Clinton. Then G.W. Bush's second invasion, Obama continued it for a couple of years before withdrawal, then reintroduced troops. G.W. started Afghanistan, Obama and now Trump continue it. I don't see how one can call those a Republican or democratic war. Both parties have their hands all over them.

HumblePi said:

Just yesterday Trump declared the 75,000 protestors in the streets of London as 'fake news'. How could it be fake when we all saw it with our own eyes? It wasn't fake news, it was real, it was there without any denying. How many more Brooklyn Bridges does he have to sell you?

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Red herring.
The thread is not about the president's London visit.

Tammy Duckworth is spot on. Trump is indeed a coward. While caskets with real American Patriots were rolling down conveyor belts at Dover AFB, Coward-in-Chief was bragging that his Vietnam was sleeping around in Manhattan. Then he went on to piss on John McCain's service and sacrifice he gave to America, and insulted him, as well as every other American POW that has served by callously stating 'I prefer soldiers who don't get captured.". Anyone who feels compelled to defend this crap, please step forward and make your case as to why this type of rhetoric is acceptable in any context.

trixare4kids said:

Red herring.
The thread is not about the president's London visit.

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No it's not about Trump's London visit, my comment was a rebuttal to your comment; "but I realize fake news sells with Trump haters."

You brought up fake news, didn't you? So where is the red herring now?

Duckworth attacks the President while speaking at D-Day memorial .....nuff said