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Up in smoke

notquiteright said:
It's called nuance laws. Post where someone gets cancer from second hand loud music.... that standard doesn't apply.

To many with allergies the smell of smoke is enough to cause issues. They have a right to not be sick in their own home. I quit smoking about 15 years ago, to many who just quit the smell of cigarette smoke can trigger cravings- especially in your own home where you were used to a morning smoke or one right before bedtime.

Your rights end literally at another's nose... :peace
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Never heard of nuance laws.

Someone can't tell me that the smell of my cooking in my own home offends them. Someone can't tell me that the smell of my perfume in my own home offends them. Someone can't tell me that my cat makes them sneeze if my cat never leaves my home. Actually, they can tell me, and yet they still have no right to dictate what I cook, what perfume I wear, or what cat I have when I'm in my own home.

Nobody's nose has a right in the home I own. Just like I have a right not to demand what you do, smell like, eat, cook, or wear in your home. It's yours.

Sorry this confuses you.
 
tres borrachos said:
I watched my sister in law and my cousin die of cancer. Neither one of them smoked a day in their lives. I can safely say that cancer sucks, but that isn't what this thread is about.
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When someone is a heavy smoker, gets lung cancer, and has strong emphysema, you can see that there is a correlation . I also know I have a strong physical allergic reaction to second hand smoke.
 
RAMOSS said:
When someone is a heavy smoker, gets lung cancer, and has strong emphysema, you can see that there is a correlation . I also know I have a strong physical allergic reaction to second hand smoke.
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This thread isn't about cancer and the perils of smoking. I believe we have a section on this board to discuss health issues.
 
Good4Nothin said:
No, I hate to complain. I never complained about anything here before and have lived here for 5 years. People are afraid to complain. And most people want to get along with their neighbors.

One of my smoking neighbors and I were friendly. I would often see her smoking outside her door, and we would talk. Now I don't see her outside, because she doesn't want to be seen smoking since they made the new rule.

The property manager spoke to her today and she agreed to cooperate with the rule. The smoker on the other side of me has promised me to only smoke e-cigarettes inside from now on.

So hopefully it won't be too bad from now until when I move.

Complaining is not fun at all. I have been so distracted from my fun and busy life, and that just sucks. What a waste of everyone's time.

But if I didn't complain I would have had to break my lease by moving, and lose thousands of dollars. That wouldn't be fun either.
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Good4, I'm not sure I believe you. All you seem to do on this site is complain. Combined with your lack of regard for others, evident in your anti-vax discussions, I'm left challenged to give you the benefit of the doubt here.

But if you are truly that impacted, with no other recourse but to interrupt the enjoyment of someone else in their own privacy, and you're supported by the laws in your area, then I'll wish you good luck with it.

I still do recommend moving to the country, though. Cleaner air, less neighbors, and you could likely buy your own house for what you're paying for that apartment in the city, depending on what city you live in. There's no way to build yourself a life free of offense, inconveniences, and reasons to wrinkle your noise, but it's far easier in the country to get close. Maybe choose forest over farmland, as if you think second hand smoke is bad, try living downwind of a pig farm...and from my experience, farmers DGAF about the sensitivities of city folks...hehe...
 
tres borrachos said:
Never heard of nuance laws. Someone can't tell me that the smell of my cooking in my own home offends them. Someone can't tell me that the smell of my perfume in my own home offends them. Someone can't tell me that my cat makes them sneeze if my cat never leaves my home. Actually, they can tell me, and yet they still have no right to dictate what I cook, what perfume I wear, or what cat I have when I'm in my own home. Nobody's nose has a right in the home I own. Just like I have a right not to demand what you do, smell like, eat, cook, or wear in your home. It's yours. Sorry this confuses you.
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I'm not the one confused, especially if you don't know the law... ;)

You're 'blowing smoke' when you attempt perfume and for the most part cooking as a comparison for cigarette smoke. How bad a cook are you that your odors pass through walls into other apartments??? Has anyone ever sued (successfully) over an allergy to cats in another apartment????

But cigarette smoke certainly does pass through walls, through the heating system vents. The strongest smell of the downstairs neighbor's smoke is by our heater and in the bathroom by the ceiling fan/vent.

When what you do passes through the walls or travels the vent system TO the other person's nose then yes your right literally ends at their nose....

I'm sorry if this confuses you.... :peace
 
tres borrachos said:
Never heard of nuance laws.

Someone can't tell me that the smell of my cooking in my own home offends them. Someone can't tell me that the smell of my perfume in my own home offends them. Someone can't tell me that my cat makes them sneeze if my cat never leaves my home. Actually, they can tell me, and yet they still have no right to dictate what I cook, what perfume I wear, or what cat I have when I'm in my own home.

Nobody's nose has a right in the home I own. Just like I have a right not to demand what you do, smell like, eat, cook, or wear in your home. It's yours.

Sorry this confuses you.
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Try burning garbage in your own home if you rent an apartment. See how long you can get away with that.
 
Good4Nothin said:
Try burning garbage in your own home if you rent an apartment. See how long you can get away with that.
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Once again, it's illegal to burn garbage in your apartment if you rent it and your landlord doesn't allow it or the town prohibits it. Let me know when smoking was rendered illegal. Link to the law passed that made cigarettes illegal?

Is there some reason you want to double down on the stupid?
 
notquiteright said:
I'm not the one confused, especially if you don't know the law... ;)

You're 'blowing smoke' when you attempt perfume and for the most part cooking as a comparison for cigarette smoke. How bad a cook are you that your odors pass through walls into other apartments??? Has anyone ever sued (successfully) over an allergy to cats in another apartment????

But cigarette smoke certainly does pass through walls, through the heating system vents. The strongest smell of the downstairs neighbor's smoke is by our heater and in the bathroom by the ceiling fan/vent.

When what you do passes through the walls or travels the vent system TO the other person's nose then yes your right literally ends at their nose....

I'm sorry if this confuses you.... :peace
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I don't live in an apartment. I once lived in a townhouse, and although people like you may have fantasized about controlling what I did in my own home, luckily laws wouldn't let you. Speaking of laws, you still haven't said what a "nuance law" is.

I'm sorry this confuses you.
 
tres borrachos said:
No, why do you ask?

I did in the past. My husband and I owned a large townhome. We had neighbors on both sides. Guess what? They were as smart as we were. They never expected us to follow their rules inside of our home, and we showed them the same adult courtesy in return. It's what adults do in a free society.
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When you live with shared walls there needs to be a common curtesy. Smoke entering someone else dwelling takes away there rights not to have smoke. Same with loud music an so on.
 
SCrider said:
When you live with shared walls there needs to be a common curtesy. Smoke entering someone else dwelling takes away there rights not to have smoke. Same with loud music an so on.
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Don't live where there are shared walls if you think you may not like what your neighbor has, does, smokes, keeps, or wears and may offend your nostrils.
 
tres borrachos said:
Don't live where there are shared walls if you think you may not like what your neighbor has, does, smokes, keeps, or wears and may offend your nostrils.
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Smokers have always been the most inconsiderate people. If what you do in your home affects someones else's home **** em right? Then go dump your ashtray out on the street while your at a stop sign while you are at it.
 
Good4Nothin said:
No, I hate to complain. I never complained about anything here before and have lived here for 5 years. People are afraid to complain. And most people want to get along with their neighbors.

One of my smoking neighbors and I were friendly. I would often see her smoking outside her door, and we would talk. Now I don't see her outside, because she doesn't want to be seen smoking since they made the new rule.

The property manager spoke to her today and she agreed to cooperate with the rule. The smoker on the other side of me has promised me to only smoke e-cigarettes inside from now on.

So hopefully it won't be too bad from now until when I move.

Complaining is not fun at all. I have been so distracted from my fun and busy life, and that just sucks. What a waste of everyone's time.

But if I didn't complain I would have had to break my lease by moving, and lose thousands of dollars. That wouldn't be fun either.
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Good4, I'm not sure I believe you. All you seem to do on this site is complain. Combined with your lack of regard for others, evident in your anti-vax discussions, I'm left challenged to give you the benefit of the doubt here.

But if you are truly that impacted, with no other recourse but to interrupt the enjoyment of someone else in their own privacy, and you're supported by the laws in your area, then I'll wish you good luck with it.

I still do recommend moving to the country, though. Cleaner air, less neighbors, and you could likely buy your own house for what you're paying for that apartment in the city, depending on what city you live in. There's no way to build yourself a life free of offense, inconveniences, and reasons to wrinkle your noise, but it's far easier in the country to get close. Maybe choose forest over farmland, as if you think second hand smoke is bad, try living downwind of a pig farm...and from my experience, farmers DGAF about the sensitivities of city folks...hehe...
 
SCrider said:
Smokers have always been the most inconsiderate people. If what you do in your home affects someones else's home **** em right? Then go dump your ashtray out on the street while your at a stop sign while you are at it.
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I hate the smell of BBQ, and the smoke is carcinogenic. And these days way more people BBQ. I think BBQers are actually the most inconsiderate people.

Carcinogens in BBQ smoke absorbed more by skin than lungs

Say goodbye to the backyard / tailgate BBQ. Say goodbye to delish food trucks and street meat vendors. Say goodbye to cookouts at the park. I'm sure not being a smoker, you have no problem with this, given your non-smoker levels of consideration...
 
ElChupacabra said:
I was never addicted to the nicotine; for me it was something to when stressed. I know what you mean about liquor and cigarettes though because when I would have a drink, the urge to light a cigarette up came naturally.
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I quit cold turkey and never looked back...just like other addictions I had. Now I can't fathom why people can't quit.
 
WCH said:
I quit cold turkey and never looked back...just like other addictions I had. Now I can't fathom why people can't quit.
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Yeah, I quit the same way. I was about to light up a cigarette when I asked myself why I was doing it. I put it back in the pack, threw the pack out and never smoked again. What makes it hard are the excuses people make to justify their habits; they're the obstacles to seeing it clearly.
 
OlNate said:
Chances are, it's not. Some people just like to complain. There's always one in every building.

I had one in mine. If I had guests over to the apartment, I'd make them smoke on the balcony. This old cow above us would bitch about it, and holler down. At first we were shocked at that level of entitlement, and were speechless. I went to our landlady to talk to her about it, and she rolled her eyes and said yes, she'd had complaints about it. The issue was that the woman was leaving her patio door open, and it was getting into her apartment, and rather than simply shutting it for the odd time we had guests over who smoked, she decided to bitch at us instead. Back to sense of entitlement.

Needless to say, she was promptly invited to **** off the next time she decided to give us her input, and that was the end of it. She moved a couple months later. And good ****ing riddance.

We had all kinds of grim smells through the apartment from other units, a lot of fish enthusiasts on our floor, that's apartment living, we never said a word about it. Don't live in close proximity of others, if you can't be a good neighbor. Simple as that. :shrug:
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Oh trust me I know. I'm a condo owner and am vice president of the board of directors. I read through all sorts of complaints; some of them valid, while others not so much.
 
Good4Nothin said:
It is not allowed. There is no way to get rid of smoke that is constantly entering an apartment. That is why smoking rooms in restaurants and office buildings are no longer allowed.
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I must have missed that part. If smokers rent in a no smoking building then they should stop.
 
ElChupacabra said:
Oh trust me I know. I'm a condo owner and am vice president of the board of directors. I read through all sorts of complaints; some of them valid, while others not so much.
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I am someone who hates to complain. To me, there is nothing fun or interesting about complaining about this. I have interests I am passionate about and I hate taking any time away from them for this stupidity.

The tenants have been requested not to smoke. The owners of the place do not want any smoking. The smokers think they are being smart, hiding inside and smoking. They are making trouble for no reason. The easy solution would be for them to stop.

When their leases are renewed they will be evicted if they are caught smoking on the premisses. They might as well get used to it now. Why torture nonsmokers for no reason? It makes no sense.

They could switch to e-cigarettes for now, while looking for a place that allows smoking inside. But that would be to easy and sensible and then everyone would be happy. I guess they like to cause misery.
 
ElChupacabra said:
Oh trust me I know. I'm a condo owner and am vice president of the board of directors. I read through all sorts of complaints; some of them valid, while others not so much.
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Oh dear, my condolences...lol... My father was a high rise property manager in Toronto for years, and he always said that despite what you'd think about the difference between renters and owners, it was the condos that were the biggest headache to manage - probably because of the ownership thing, come to think of it...hehe...
 
Good4Nothin said:
I am someone who hates to complain. To me, there is nothing fun or interesting about complaining about this. I have interests I am passionate about and I hate taking any time away from them for this stupidity.

The tenants have been requested not to smoke. The owners of the place do not want any smoking. The smokers think they are being smart, hiding inside and smoking. They are making trouble for no reason. The easy solution would be for them to stop.

When their leases are renewed they will be evicted if they are caught smoking on the premisses. They might as well get used to it now. Why torture nonsmokers for no reason? It makes no sense.

They could switch to e-cigarettes for now, while looking for a place that allows smoking inside. But that would be to easy and sensible and then everyone would be happy. I guess they like to cause misery.
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Never under estimate the power of addiction.
 
ElChupacabra said:
Never under estimate the power of addiction.
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I don't. I know that addicts will lie, deny reality, and fight like mad to get their drug. It's been very obvious in the comments here.
 
tres borrachos said:
I don't live in an apartment. I once lived in a townhouse, and although people like you may have fantasized about controlling what I did in my own home, luckily laws wouldn't let you. Speaking of laws, you still haven't said what a "nuance law" is.

I'm sorry this confuses you.
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I believe he meant "nuisance laws"
 
ElChupacabra said:
Yeah, I quit the same way. I was about to light up a cigarette when I asked myself why I was doing it. I put it back in the pack, threw the pack out and never smoked again. What makes it hard are the excuses people make to justify their habits; they're the obstacles to seeing it clearly.
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Yea, I battled in my mind for years asking what cigs did for me. True is, nothing but bad things.
 
WCH said:
Yea, I battled in my mind for years asking what cigs did for me. True is, nothing but bad things.
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Unless you want to reduce your life expectancy and increase your risk of all sorts of diseases, then I suppose it's a good thing.

:)
 
SCrider said:
Smokers have always been the most inconsiderate people. If what you do in your home affects someones else's home **** em right? Then go dump your ashtray out on the street while your at a stop sign while you are at it.
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Stupid post and no clue why you quoted me posted it. If your neighbors are dumping their ashtrays into the streets, you should complain to the manager of the trailer park. My neighbors have too much class to dump anything in our streets.
 
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