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[W:210] Why Would Anyone Vote For A Serial Liar and Cheat For President?

Mustachio said:
If we live in a country where the lesser of two evils is, as the thread puts it, a serial liar and cheat, would you conceded we have a rather serious problem?
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Yes.

Mustachio said:
Trump's leadership? What leadership? His failed businesses and public servant positions he never held? The money he inherited that he actually would have been better off never spending were it not for his need to be seen and admired? And what policies? In what way is Trump a conservative? All we knew was he wanted to build a wall and put Hillary in prison.
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Support for Pres. Trump isn't as much about what he does as it is about what he doesn't do that a Democratic president would.

For example, conservatives are very much opposed to amnesty and open borders. Key members of the Democratic leadership and some of the Democratic 2020 candidates have plainly expressed the desire to abolish ICE and cease enforcing immigration laws. This isn't an exaggeration or a right-wing conspiracy. You'll find it front and center in footage on mainstream news sources. Even the less radical candidates support immigration policies intolerable to conservatives, and could easily be forced left on the issue, hence... Pres. Trump wins by default.

Most conservatives have no use for national initiatives related to climate change. They see them as useless, dangerous, hypocritical, a threat to national sovereignty, a threat to productivity, a threat to mean quality of life, and worse. Key members of the Democratic leadership and many of the Democratic 2020 candidates (I'll call these groups "Key Democrats" in future) are very much pro- national-climate-change-initiative. When their rhetoric is nonspecific, conservatives worry. When it becomes specific (such as Rep. Cortez' 'Green New Deal'), it becomes intolerable to anyone right of center. Pres. Trump isn't proposing any national climate change initiatives, hence... he wins by default.

Conservatives are violently opposed to the idea of reparations for slavery. Key Democrats are not. Some have flirted with the idea as policy. Pres. Trump would have nothing to do with the idea. Hence... Pres. Trump wins by default.

Conservatives are violently opposed to policies relating to "equity", i.e. stricter race and gender quotas, expansion of Affirmative Action, tearing down of statues of Confederate statesmen, multiplication of rights and privileges for homosexuals and transsexuals, expanded social welfare, etc. Key Democrats are not. Pres. Trump has never espoused any of these policies during his campaign or tenure as president. Ergo... he wins by default.

Gun control: Pres. Trump wins by default.

Protection of religious freedom: Pres. Trump wins by default.

Protection of objectionable speech, online and in public forums: Pres. Trump wins by default.

Not starting WWIII with Russia: Pres. Trump wins by default.

Abortion: Pres. Trump wins by default.

Public vs. private healthcare: Pres. Trump wins by default.

Really, it can't be overstated how abhorrent progressive values and ideas are to US conservatives, and by extension how greatly conservatives value an (admittedly flawed, unaccomplished) leader simply because of what he doesn't do.

@Alexandre may not see this as a "good reason" to support the man, and perhaps he's right, but I suspect that if somebody gave him the choice of being slapped in the face or shot in the head, he'd choose being slapped in the face, and if critics wondered aloud why he chose to be slapped in the face, he'd claim he had an "excellent reason" for doing so.

Such is US conservatism vis a vis Pres. Trump.

Mustachio said:
The only thing I agree with you on is that there is no confusion about it. Trump won because of pure unadulterated hatred. The hatred that cause people to believe that Hillary Clinton and Jon Podesta were literally sacrificing children to Satan at a place where people eat pizza and play ping pong. The hatred that continues at rallies where people chant for any liberal whose name is mentioned to be imprisoned.
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You're looking at a minority and extrapolating to half a nation.

One could just as easily argue that Antifa is proof the entire left is comprised of violent, hateful thugs and anarchists, or that radical leftist race and feminist groups prove the left universally despises men, whites, and white men especially.

If this doesn't describe you and you don't want to be painted with a huge paintbrush, don't do it to others.
 
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Incredulous said:
This is largely how Trump won. Most people did not vote for him, they were voting against Hilary.
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If that's so, why do so many just on this forum alone defend every lie, every childish tweet, every stupid policy that comes from Trump? And they often include whataboutisms regarding Hillary, even three years after the campaign. That's a lot of hate, and a lot of defensiveness.
 
hanger4 said:
As did I and to add a second reason, HRC was totally and intentionally incompetent handling classified information for no other reason than to avoid transparency.
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Once again why would anyone vote for Trump and the corruption he brings
After to all Hillary did not get elected President D/T corruption

It wasn’t just Kushner and Ivanka Trump.

The committee learned that former deputy national security adviser K.T. McFarland and former adviser Stephen K. Bannon had also, at times, used personal email accounts for official business
 
Chillfolks said:
Because to them he had the better agenda. Or maybe it's because he didn't carry a bottle of hot sauce, but thinking it's they liked his agenda and message more.
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and because he was a real possibility of being able to trip up the swamp. Imho he has more or less done that to some extent.

There is no way DC insiders would take on some of the agenda he has taken head on.

they would just do more of the same.. promise and ignore.
 
Chillfolks said:
Well you got a good honest answer although it may not he the one you wanted or hoped for.

Why do you think people chose Trump?
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Not directed at me, but IMO because Hillary. And that was a DNC problem. Nothing to do with our current and next President.
 
Idiometer said:
If that's so, why do so many just on this forum alone defend every lie, every childish tweet, every stupid policy that comes from Trump? And they often include whataboutisms regarding Hillary, even three years after the campaign. That's a lot of hate, and a lot of defensiveness.
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Actually, the majority of Americans did vote for Hillary, the popular vote
 
Alexandre said:
This has nothing to do with the thesis.
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plainly, we do not want what your globalist American defeatist ilk wants, including the ruination of our free country and the western democracies.

if you ever get it , I am sure China or Russia will be there to take over and give you a REAL feeling for authoritarianism.

liberal policies in the long term are doomed either way, imho.
 
Hypothetical said:
and because he was a real possibility of being able to trip up the swamp. Imho he has more or less done that to some extent.

There is no way DC insiders would take on some of the agenda he has taken head on.

they would just do more of the same.. promise and ignore.
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Reality, created a bigger swamp
 
Hypothetical said:
plainly, we do not want what your globalist American defeatist ilk wants, including the ruination of our free country and the western democracies.

if you ever get it , I am sure China or Russia will be there to take over and give you a REAL feeling for authoritarianism.

liberal policies in the long term are doomed either way, imho.
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What does this disjointed opinion mean?
 
Sand Castle said:
Once again why would anyone vote for Trump and the corruption he brings
After to all Hillary did not get elected President D/T corruption

It wasn’t just Kushner and Ivanka Trump.

The committee learned that former deputy national security adviser K.T. McFarland and former adviser Stephen K. Bannon had also, at times, used personal email accounts for official business
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Personal email accounts hardly equate to a personal email server off the dot gov grid to conduct State Dept business on.
 
Sand Castle said:
What does this disjointed opinion mean?
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people that think we should bow to china and allow them to walk all over us by taking our technology without repercussion.

that think we should continue to support slave labor that our own workers cannot compete with so a few businessmen can make it rich and prices stay low.

that believe in ignoring the border crisis we have now and that it is ok to let everyone in from anywhere without any kind of vetting or otherwise, so long as we can get people to pick our apples.

those are some of the leftist opinions heard here by me. I am against that.

that is part of why i voted for Trump,. because I am tired of politics as usual.
 
Idiometer said:
Is that so? How many of Obama's people were indicted?
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Why would they be indicted? Seems like the DOJ and fbi were in their back pockets. Get up to speed.
 
hanger4 said:
Personal email accounts hardly equate to a personal email server off the dot gov grid to conduct State Dept business on.
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So many Trump security incompetence examples, I just don't know where to begin

A White House Personnel Security Office employee is alleging that senior Trump administration officials often rebuffed national security concerns to grant high-level security clearances to people who initially were denied access to top-secret information, a pattern she described as troubling and one she said continued for months.
 
Sand Castle said:
Once again why would anyone vote for Trump and the corruption he brings
After to all Hillary did not get elected President D/T corruption

It wasn’t just Kushner and Ivanka Trump.

The committee learned that former deputy national security adviser K.T. McFarland and former adviser Stephen K. Bannon had also, at times, used personal email accounts for official business
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Personal email accounts hardly equate to a personal email server off the dot gov grid to conduct State Dept business on.

Next, did they send / receive classified information via their personal account ?? HRC did.

Did they fail to archive their gov business conducted via their personal account ?? HRC failed to archive.
 
hanger4 said:
Personal email accounts hardly equate to a personal email server off the dot gov grid to conduct State Dept business on.
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When President Trump calls old friends on one of his iPhones to gossip, gripe or solicit their latest take on how he is doing, American intelligence reports indicate that Chinese spies are often listening — and putting to use invaluable insights into how to best work the president and affect administration policy, current and former American officials said.
 
When President Trump calls old friends on one of his iPhones to gossip, gripe or solicit their latest take on how he is doing, American intelligence reports indicate that Chinese spies are often listening — and putting to use invaluable insights into how to best work the president and affect administration policy, current and former American officials said.
 
Sand Castle said:
When President Trump calls old friends on one of his iPhones to gossip, gripe or solicit their latest take on how he is doing, American intelligence reports indicate that Chinese spies are often listening — and putting to use invaluable insights into how to best work the president and affect administration policy, current and former American officials said.
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*White House pushes back on report that Trump's cell phones not secure*

White House pushes back on report that Trump's cell phones not secure - ABC News
 
Crystal said:
Why would they be indicted? Seems like the DOJ and fbi were in their back pockets. Get up to speed.
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Get up to speed yourself. No one in the Obama administration was indicted on criminal charges, as you know full well. Nor will they be, because they did not commit crimes. If they had, they would have been indicted. The DoJ has always been made up of mostly conservatives. This bull**** about investigating the investigators will backfire because there's no there there, just like there wasn't in the many investigations of Hillary Clinton. Either she and others are not guilty, or they are the greatest criminal masterminds in our history. Pick one.

Meanwhile, the list of Trump associates and administration officials who have been indicted, pleaded guilty, or been tried and are doing time, continues to grow.

Sorry, Crystal, but the corruption is all on Trump's side. I know that's hard to swallow, but facts are facts. If there is ANY justice left in America, Trump will be joining his cronies just as soon as he leaves office.
 
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