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    Re: Dem Leaning Voters: Support Impeachment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston View Post
    What I like or don't like is irrelevant to the Presidents criminality


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    Not true, you have one vote.

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    Re: Dem Leaning Voters: Support Impeachment?

    Quote Originally Posted by NiceGuyEddie View Post
    ... the only party trying to get things done.
    They have produced over 100 pieces of legislation so far.. They are all mostly waiting in the Senate....

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    Re: Dem Leaning Voters: Support Impeachment?

    Quote Originally Posted by NiceGuyEddie View Post
    Most Americans accept Mueller's findings on no collusion and Barr's ruling on no obstruction.

    They recognize that the dems remain committed to focusing on nothing but overturning the results of the 2016 election.

    It appears quite possible that the always bitter, angry and snivelling left wing of the dem party will force Pulosi's hand and thereby achieve the impossible ... to paint Donald J Trump as the victim.
    Yes, the Democrats are focused on politics. If politicians playing politics surprises or outrages you, this may not be the place for you.

    When Bill Clinton was impeached, were Republicans trying to reversing the election of '92? Mind you, that was an ACTUAL impeachment., not a bunch of numbnuts talking about it.

    So you did a great job repeating the script, but I don't think you out much thought into it.

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    Re: Dem Leaning Voters: Support Impeachment?

    Quote Originally Posted by NiceGuyEddie View Post
    ... the only party trying to get things done.
    Really? Where's this flood of great legislation coming out of the Senate?

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    Re: Dem Leaning Voters: Support Impeachment?

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    I'm curious how you feel about the sustained Obstruction as seen by the WH preventing McGahn and Barr to testify before the House.

    How are the Dems going to move the needle if the Obstruction continues unabated?


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    Once the resolution for Impeachment Inquiry Hearings has been passed, that gives considerable increased leverage for the courts to uphold subpoenas and in fact to issue contempt citations for non-compliance. The congress can levy daily fines and/or issue arrest warrants (unlikely, but legal) for non-compliance of a joint congressional/court order.

    That's how the Democrats quell the current obstruction; in the courts, in the pocketbook, and potentially with a loss of freedom.

    GOP knows all this; they also know they will lose every time in court. They're just running out the clock.
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    Re: Dem Leaning Voters: Support Impeachment?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Once the resolution for Impeachment Inquiry Hearings has been passed, the gives considerable increased leverage for the courts to uphold subpoenas and in fact to issue contempt citations for non-compliance. The congress can levy daily fines and/or issue arrest warrants (unlikely, but legal) for non-compliance of a joint congressional/court order.

    That's how the Democrats quell the current obstruction; in the courts, in the pocketbook, and potentially with a loss of freedom.

    GOP knows all this; they also know they will lose every time in court. They're just running out the clock.
    Earlier today, CNN reported that 76% of Democratic voters now support impeachment, and moderates support impeachment by 43%.

    Those numbers are going in the wrong direction for Pelosi and Trump. If the number get much higher, say 85-90%, Pelosi will lose her base for not doing what they think is right. Remember, the only reason Clinton was impeached was because the Republican voting base screamed for it, and Gingrich was like "we better do this", to avoid losing the base, and they were rewarded by keeping the House, Senate, and regaining the WH next election cycle.

    I suspect what would be the moment of truth would be Mueller's testimony.

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    Re: Dem Leaning Voters: Support Impeachment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston View Post
    What % of Independents is needed to make impeachment viable? Because, I think if the Democrats actually make a strong case they can get enough Independent support and maybe even 20% of the Republican population.

    If anyone regardless of lean watches only Fox News and conservative talk radio they are operating under the belief that the Mueller Report was a total exoneration..

    That's untrue!


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    I can't give you an exact percentage. I usually is one will know when the time comes. Everyone knew if you were around at the time that Nixon would be impeached and removed. Enough Republican senators had come aboard the removal wagon. All of prior to any impeachment hearing or before the impeachment process began. Nixon resigned prior to any and all of that taking place.

    One thing to remember is that in 1974 the Democrats held a 58-42 margin in the senate. They needed only 9 Republican senators to vote for removal. Today there are 47 Democrats, for impeachment to succeed they need at least 20 Republican senators to side with them on impeachment a removal. That is if every democratic senator would vote for removal, I think there are at least two that wouldn't.

    Back in 1974 there were no polls done on impeachment of Nixon that I have been able to find. Now we could compare job approval which I have. Nixon's to Trump's. Nixon's August 1974 to Trump's today as that may give you an idea of why Nixon was a goner, Trump more than likely to stay. Democrats Nixon 13%, Trump 9%. Trump does worst among Democrats than Nixon in August of 1974. Republicans, Nixon 50%, Trump 87%. Huge difference. It's interesting that in August of 1973 that half of all republicans still supported Nixon. That 50% approval was enough to get at least 9 GOP senators to abandon Nixon. Independents, Nixon 22%, Trump 38%. Not much love for Trump, but still a big 16 points more than Nixon. But we know today that 47% of independents are now against impeachment and removal vs. 28% for. All adults for Nixon 24%, Trump today 44%.

    Looking back on 1974, I would say enough independents had joined the Democrats along with at least a quarter of all Republicans if not more to convince at least 9 Republican senators that their seats would be in jeopardy if they didn't come out for impeachment and removal.

    Comparing of the numbers works to a certain extent. The Democratic Party had basically a 2-1 advantage over the Republican Party in 1974. 44% Democrats, 24% republicans 31% independents. That isn't the case today, the major parties are relative even in party affiliation, 30% Democratic, 26% Republican, 42% independents as of March 2019.

    taking all the above into consideration, I would say Trump would have to fall below 30% in over all job approval, more than 50%, probably closer to 60% of independents must want impeachment and removal. At least a quarter of all Republicans must agree. But I don't think trying to education the public during an impeachment process or hearing in the house is the right way to go. The public must be convinced prior to that process beginning or it will most likely fail. My best guess.
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    Re: Dem Leaning Voters: Support Impeachment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston View Post
    Curious if the Dem base does want impeachment brought against the lawlessness of the President? You can nail him to the wall on obstruction and emoluments violations. I think they absolutely should impeach in the House, even knowing Trump will survive in the Senate.

    Basically, you can use impeachment as a wholesale condemnation of the Republican Party as an institution. Democrats should make the argument, "Here's the evidence of high crimes and misdemeanors. We are going to do our job. Even if the Republicans in the Senate won't do theirs."

    I think that's a powerful argument.
    I am all for it. It will guarantee Trumps re-election and put the house back in Republican hands. Count me in for sure.

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    Re: Dem Leaning Voters: Support Impeachment?

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    I am all for it. It will guarantee Trumps re-election and put the house back in Republican hands. Count me in for sure.
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    Re: Dem Leaning Voters: Support Impeachment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
    Maybe, but not yet.

    The Dems' responsibility right now is to 1) protect our institutions, and 2) check the lawlessness of the Trump administration and ultimately hasten his departure. Will impeachment strengthen or weaken our institutions? Will it move the country closer to being rid of Trump or further entrench him? I don't know the answer to those questions, and until I have some confidence that impeachment is not going to erode public trust in and the functioning of our institutions, and is going to limit Trump and not embolden him (much less gift him a second term), I don't agree with those who argue the Dems are duty-bound by principle to initiate impeachment proceedings. The Dems' duty is to the republic, not any particular process.

    Ned Stark might've done things by the book and done as duty demanded, but he still lost his head and the kingdom went to ****.
    Perhaps off topic but US politics has descended into, Impeach as a result of elections. Myself I am basing this on Clinton's impeachment, politically driven, yes he lied

    With 2 of your branches digging their heels in, IMHO it is dysfunctional and I think many hope and pray that the 3rd Branch fast tracks House court cases to SCOTUS before mid 2020.

    Meanwhile I a Canadian along with others in 1st world democracies, wonder WTF is going on?

    Many people admire and respect the 3 branches of your Govt, but have seen political dysfunction for far to many years.

    And yes I am against Impeachment as you have outlined above.
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