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Another entirely predictable mass-shooting. Aren't guns great!

Idiometer said:
I call BS on that. I happen to be a legal gun owner, and I strongly favor stricter laws, better background checks, closer scrutiny of private sales, and no gun show purchases without the same background checks as with any other gun seller.

Try not to generalize, please.
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You know how it goes - you mention those things and many legal gun owners go batsh*t crazy. OMG they're coming to take our guns. The NRA ramps it up so they sell more guns.
 
idiometer said:
firts of all, we have to get government to allocate resources, especially money. There are not enough personnel for enforcement of the current laws. There are also not enough people providing mental health assessments and counseling. Plus, a common database is needed from which even private sellers can get information on potential buyers.

But as long as the nra maintains its stranglehold on politicians, especially the gop, making them more than reluctant to fund these and other common sense efforts, expect many more of these nut jobs to crawl out of the woodwork and start shooting innocent people.

What it takes, like every other problem, is the political will to fix it.
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this!!
 
Lovebug said:
If you could predict that guy would be shooting up the office, why didn't you call it in?
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If there ever was a non predictable mass shooting, this was it. This guy was a long time employee apparently in good standing at work. No previous run in's with the law. The guns used were completely legal. At least one was a suppressed .45. .45's while not rare are not typical mass shooters weapons. Suppressors however are rare and require a class C license. That's a long wait, extensive BGC, and $200 fee. This was a recent purchase. Not something the corner gun vendor keeps in stock.

Something I have not heard mentioned is that Va. Beach had an apparently random shooting less than a year ago. I don't believe that was ever solved, but the casings found were .45's. It's not going to surprise me if the guns turn out to be a match.
 
snakestretcher said:
ONE whole incident? Is that the extent of your argument? How many murders and shootings did your police with their guns fail to prevent so far this year?

List of mass shootings in the United States in 2019 - Wikipedia
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The point is...your police were cowards. Without guns they sat there and performed crowd control instead of dropping the criminals like bags of wet dirt. Without guns your police are the equivalent of hall monitors when something like this happens.
 
AlphaOmega said:
The point is...your police were cowards. Without guns they sat there and performed crowd control instead of dropping the criminals like bags of wet dirt. Without guns your police are the equivalent of hall monitors when something like this happens.
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You, sir, need to grow up. You sound like a whiny 14 year-old.
 
Fletch said:
Such as?
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Can you believe one poster advocated arming mentally ill people on the street to shoot white men?

I thought lefties were against letting mentally ill people have guns.
 
ataraxia said:
Everyone knows fewer guns mean fewer deaths, and the only force propping up gun sales are the NRA lobby’s profit motive. It’s OK if American blood is shed watering it. Profits first.
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A law will take guns out of law abiding citizens hands. It will do nothing to law breakers using guns to kill people, so not much would change other than more people being in danger.
 
apdst said:
Another shooting in a gun-free zone. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.
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Do you see what is being advocated for here?

Most shootings happen in a gun free zone,k so anti-gun crazies want to make the whole country a gun free zone, and they think the country will be safer.

That is their logic.

What happened down in Texas at that cartoon drawing contest when the bad guys showed up to shoot people?

Does anybody remember that?
 
snakestretcher said:
Yes, and so what? Can you think of a good reason why a 15 year-old would want to buy one? We have a big problem with knife crime and are at least trying to do something about it, while you lot are content to let anyone have virtually whatever weapon they want. That's why your gun-related murder rates are the worst of all advanced nations. But that's the price of 'freedom', right? A murder here, a few mass-killings there; doesn't matter as long as you can have your precious guns.
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He can't cut his steak with a butter knife, maybe.
 
snakestretcher said:
Of course he can, but then he risks a jail term when he's caught on the street with it, and current jail time (four years), in Britain is far too lenient. There should be a ten year minimum for being in possession of any lethal weapon. Carrying a knife with a fixed or locking blade for 'self-defence' is not a defence in law, and nor should it be.
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Every time you go to the supermarket you could be subject to ten years in prison? After all a plastic is a lethal weapon.

You don't sound all there.
 
jamesrage said:
Enjoy not being able to have anything to defend yourself with except maybe a cricket bat. You people can't even have something as simple as pepper spray and tazers for self defense.
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WTF? What kind of country do you live in where you need a gun to defend yourself? From who? Christ, I live in Canada, not once in my entire life have I felt I needed a weapon to protect myself.

No wonder Trump is constantly playing to the fears of his base. He knows they are all scared to death, terrified of some imaginary boogieman.
 
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snakestretcher said:
So, America yet again displays its retarded gun policy with the resulting carnage in Virginia Beach. 'Only bad guys kill people with guns'. Everyone is a good guy until the day they aren't. Cue the 2nd Amendment supporters rushing to defend their stupid lethal toys. This latest atrocity will of course do nothing but get people shrugging their shoulders, hauling out reams of statistics, quoting percentages and doing everything in their power to defend guns. There is no defence; it's way past time that America joined the rest of the civilised world and actually did something. But no; we'll hear the predictable calls for thoughts prayers for the victims and their families, the expressions of outrage and tomorrow this latest atrocity will be buried somewhere around page three in your newspapers.

Next gun-related outrage please...we need to sell some newspapers.
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is your name snakestretcher or Kreskin?

based on your headline, you can predict events.....

please tell us when the next one will occur, and where....so we so called idiots can alert the authorities on where a deranged person with a weapon will show up

we have millions of guns in the hands of law abiding citizens here....

maybe you feel brave enough to knock on doors to collect them?

i for one would love to see any of the left leaning gun haters try....

or maybe, you can actually come up with a real solution to a problem other than taking weapons away from law abiding citizens
 
jamesrage said:
Nothing is stupid about what I said. That said what is stupid is suggesting banning guns made your country safer. Statistics prove they didn't make your country safer


But removing that one lethal element did nothing to decrease homicides in your country.



True,however it just means people find other ways to quickly, and easily kill people. Your country's homicide statistics prove that.

I would imagine that most homicide victims killed by a cricket bat or knife the murderer didn't do a drive by just like how in the US most homicide victims are not killed in a drive by.
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He doesn't care if people get killed as long as they don't get killed with a gun.

That seems like a weird line to draw in the sand, but a lot of his posts seem to point in that direction.
 
snakestretcher said:
So, America yet again displays its retarded gun policy with the resulting carnage in Virginia Beach. 'Only bad guys kill people with guns'. Everyone is a good guy until the day they aren't. Cue the 2nd Amendment supporters rushing to defend their stupid lethal toys. This latest atrocity will of course do nothing but get people shrugging their shoulders, hauling out reams of statistics, quoting percentages and doing everything in their power to defend guns. There is no defence; it's way past time that America joined the rest of the civilised world and actually did something. But no; we'll hear the predictable calls for thoughts prayers for the victims and their families, the expressions of outrage and tomorrow this latest atrocity will be buried somewhere around page three in your newspapers.

Next gun-related outrage please...we need to sell some newspapers.
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My guess is that gun policy in America isn't retarded at all, it's just one (weak) try to clean gene pool. Darwin Awards worth stuff. Bang, Bang, Bang, Pew, Pew, Pew - happy carnage ad infinitum.
 
VanceMack said:
Prior to the mass shooting at Dunblane which triggered the pathetic kneeling subjects of the UK to sacrifice their gun rights there was 1 mass shooting in the previous 25 years. SINCE the gun ban (and subsequent loss of free speech) there has been..1. No gain...though there HAS been a dramatic increase in acid attacks, knifings, and the Islamists have taken up where the IRA left off.

In Australia there were 19 mass killings prior to the Port Arthur massacre which caused the people of Australia to capitulate their rights. There have been MORE mass killing SINCE the port Arthur massacre than before (25).
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Hey interesting. Can you source those?
 
snakestretcher said:
Yes, and so what? Can you think of a good reason why a 15 year-old would want to buy one? We have a big problem with knife crime and are at least trying to do something about it, while you lot are content to let anyone have virtually whatever weapon they want. That's why your gun-related murder rates are the worst of all advanced nations. But that's the price of 'freedom', right? A murder here, a few mass-killings there; doesn't matter as long as you can have your precious guns.
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So...banning guns didnt work, it increased knife crime. Now you are trying to ban knife crime.

Er...where does it end? So far, 2 bans=failure.

When does the UK get it? It's not the tools.
 
snakestretcher said:
Car-related deaths tend to be accidental. Gun-related, not so much. There are more guns than people in America, but most people 'never touch a gun'. Next argument please.
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Not necessarily, they are being used as weapons more and more. Maybe they're next after knives in the UK.
 
Casper said:
And this is exactly what makes us different, you believe in putting someone in prison for being able to defend themselves and we believe it is our right. That will not be changing for a long time if ever.
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In Canada, if you keep a handgun on your nightstand and use it to kill an intruder, you can be charged with homicide, *intent to kill.*

No lie.
 
Fruityfact said:
So because it's suicide it makes it okay?
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He didnt say it was ok.

But why should other gun owners be punished for it? Why should we lose our means of protection because of it? Are their lives more valuable?
 
snakestretcher said:
Only 11 to 12 thousand murdered? Well that's just fine.
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Far less than by car in the US. And yet, people happily and casually jump in their cars all the time. They put their kids in cars with acquaintances left and right.

It's all a matter of perspective. Yours: "guns bad! cars good!" And yet, every American is BY FAR more at risk of harm in their cars every single day. Willingly, happily.
 
jamesrage said:
You said cars weren't made for killing people. just as car makers and dealers do not make their cars to murder people no gun maker and gun seller sells guns to people to commit murder. So your point about guns being made to kill is totally irrelevant.
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Guns are for 'protection.'

Designed and made for it.
 
Cardinal said:
"What they all have in common is this. The perpetrators are, by law, not legally permitted to have a gun.
So how do we solve that?"

By working to reduce the saturation of guns in the country.
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Doesnt that penalize law-abiding gun owners? If so, why is that acceptable?
 
JustHanging said:
WTF? What kind of country do you live in where you need a gun to defend yourself? From who? Christ, I live in Canada, not once in my entire life have I felt I needed a weapon to protect myself.

No wonder Trump is constantly playing to the fears of his base. He knows they are all scared to death, terrified of some imaginary boogieman.
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Gun ownership in this country predates Trump by a few hundred years. And as for playing on peoples fears, you are obviously projecting. It you guys on the left who need the boogieman of racism or fascism or the world ending in 12 years. :roll:
 
JustHanging said:
WTF? What kind of country do you live in where you need a gun to defend yourself? From who? Christ, I live in Canada, not once in my entire life have I felt I needed a weapon to protect myself.
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How fortunate you've been. But you are aware that, even in Canada, there are these people called criminals who commit acts of violence against their fellow man? You things like homicide, attempted murder, sexual assault, assault, robbery, kidnapping... You know, acts like that. I'm sure you can find the statistics. It took me very little time at all to do so.

So, just because you've never had the need to defend yourself from violent crime doesn't mean that others haven't needed to do so.
 
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