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What is Gender

How about the day when you can say "I'm poor" and get Medicaid, SNAP, subsidized rent and pay no (or negative) federal income tax?

Well, yeah...the possibilities are endless...what is truth? There is no truth anymore...what's true is false and what's false is true...
 
Because either you're spamming this nonsense across multiple platforms or you're stealing someone else's (really stupid) posting and passing it off as your own.

Either amuses me.

No one cares. That you want to avoid talking about the subject only reflects poorly on you. Many ideas people have are taken from, or influenced by, other sources. Go cry to someone who cares, because that ain't anyone here.
 
While correct on age, gender is not determined at birth, but assumed. Sex is determined at birth, unless intersexed, and even then can be objectively determined by genetics.

I think you mean sexuality and dominance/submissive hierarchy. Gender has was always a nice way of saying "Does the baby have a penis or a vagina?" SJW's have hijacked the words sorta like how they like to call heterosexual white males "cisgenders" because it sounds more evil.

Gender is about masculinity and femininity which are bad words for defining how someone behaves. It pertains more to dominance/submissiveness in a backhanded way.
 
Honestly, I have no idea what it's like to be transgender. I have never wanted to be a woman, or felt like I really was a woman. It's not part of my truth.

But why should I or you or the government get to determine what somebody else is?

"My truth" is one of the most meaningless statements to ever exist.
 
Yep, and as an extremely stable genius - must we take him at his word?
Hes a pretty heavy dude Im not sure you can really take him very far. Unless his word is Leviosa.
 
Well, yeah...the possibilities are endless...what is truth? There is no truth anymore...what's true is false and what's false is true...

Yep, wouldn't simply having to take someone's word for stuff be a better system? If one has (or simply claims to have) six personalities then shouldn't they have six identities?
 
I think you have a lot to learn on the issue. "Vague" is the word for someone who doesn't understand it, not that it actually is that vague. But a basic concept is the difference between 'biological gender' and 'gender identity', which usually match, but not always.

No...you don't get it because you've bought into the propagandizing of the issue. It's inherently contradictory in nature. There is no "gender identity". And, as the OP states, if we are to buy into it's existence, then you must first accept the existence of gender norms being valid.

However, this isn't actually about gender, because it's now used as a construct, but about sex. The proper term is transsexual.
 
What specific issues to you see for gender identification?

The only one I really see is sports.

That's really the only place I see it being an issue as well. Just sports. Do I believe that the person is actually the opposite sex they claim? No, but I also don't care if they do and will use w/e pronouns they want and w/e name they want. Oh...I would be against any law that compels people to use terms that are factually inaccurate, like we see happening in Canada, the U.K. and other places.
 
Yep, wouldn't simply having to take someone's word for stuff be a better system? If one has (or simply claims to have) six personalities then shouldn't they have six identities?

Good point and also pay taxes for those 6 identities...
 
Because either you're spamming this nonsense across multiple platforms or you're stealing someone else's (really stupid) posting and passing it off as your own.

Either amuses me.

You're easily amused. The quote is foolish if not laughable because it ignores strictly biological gender distinctions which formerly were the sole basis for social distinctions.
 
Gender has been tied to physical sex for millennia, and not without good reason. But as our knowledge grows and we learn more and as people become more open as to their true selves, we learn that what we thought is not always correct.

Gender is as objective as one's own emotions are. While emotions are subjectively applied to any given thing/situation/etc, one objectively experiences them. It is an objectivity that only the possessor of the emotion can have. So too with one's gender.

Gender expectations and roles are indeed social constructs and have changed countless times over the centuries and cultures. What makes you a given gender has nothing to do with how emotional you are, or protective, or strong or anything. You can fulfill all of the traits of a currently stereotypical female and still know you are male, regardless of what you were born with between you legs.

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All true but the problem is when we talk about transgender what is really being talked about is the sex of a person. We already had terms that cover the concept of breaking gender norms and such, as you describe them, like tomboy or metrosexual and such. However, that's not what we are talking about on this subject. I don't know why the term transsexual has be shelved but that's the term that should be used.

On this topic it's not a girl saying, "I don't like dresses but prefer blue jeans and play sports." It's a girl saying, "I don't feel right in my body." that being the body of a female. That's denoting sex.
 
It seems the idea of gender is vague. And that there is inherent contradiction within progressive thought on this issue.

On the one hand, gender stereotypes are frowned upon and equality is emphasized, on the other hand, the very idea of claiming to be a gender infers some kind of stereotype.

So what does it mean to be a male, or female gender?

It seems any description one would give, could be seen as an insulting stereotype to someone else claiming that gender, but lacks that quality just claimed.


For instance if someone claims they are female in gender, becasue they feel strong e emotions, or like the touch of a strong man, it seems to deminish someone else who claims female gender yet isn’t emotional and doesn’t like men.


It seems the logical conclusion is gender is purely construct, and subjective.


but if it’s subjective, why make a big deal about it when others disagree?
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OK...I'm going to break ranks and agree (somewhat) with what I think you're saying. While I generally support gender studies programs and gender studies, I do hear lots of shade thrown on the notion of "categorization" of human beings. I typically start to try to argue if I think it advisable; sometimes it's not. But at a very basic level, human reasoning works by categorization (technically, by establishing sets)--you cannot think about anything without first categorizing it. That includes human beings.

Now opponents here have a point. Human beings are so complicated that categorizing them can be dangerous. We may well think of a man as, say, heterosexual, even if he secretly fooled around with a random guy after getting really drunk one night, and occasionally has momentary flashes of homosexual fantasies, but is still really turned on by women. But by putting him in that category, we are failing to capture some truth about him, and if society constructs acceptable roles on the basis of the category, we may well be causing this man secret pain for no reason.

The above is a simple case, but is an example of the kind of thing in which genders studies people are interested, and is also an example of the foundation of the discipline. But that said, to think about such cases (and many much more complicated), they still have to be categorizing human beings. To get a tad more technical, we could extract from the above example what is called a conjunctive definite description that, for the most part, functions like a name (names like "homosexual," "heterosexual," "male," "female," etc.), and that conjunctive definite description names a category.
 
* Side note - The speaker implies, and the listener infers.

Turns out, that while the primary use of infer is to receive, to imply is also a valid definition of the word. It's not only people who don't know the definition. The inconsistent English language.
 
Turns out, that while the primary use of infer is to receive, to imply is also a valid definition of the word. It's not only people who don't know the definition. The inconsistent English language.
Better get back into your dictionary or English 1 course book. Within the context of the OP’s opening comment he improperly used infer when imply was the correct word.

If you going to continue to try ****ing with me, I suggest you work harder at being correct when you try to correct me. So far your just making an ass of yourself.
 
Better get back into your dictionary or English 1 course book. Within the context of the OP’s opening comment he improperly used infer when imply was the correct word.

If you going to continue to try ****ing with me, I suggest you work harder at being correct when you try to correct me. So far your just making an ass of yourself.

You're wrong, and gracelessly wrong and rudely wrong, which is why we will not be interacting again.

Try a dictionary.
 
Well, why would you determine what an Apple is? Or a toaster?

Are you saying Thst gender doesn’t really mean anything?

If it means something, then what?





We should<get to> determine what things are because it’s we live in a free country.

Apples and toasters are not conscious beings. Your comparison is stupid.

Your gender means exactly what you want it to mean. Someone else's gender means exactly what they want it to mean.
 
It seems the idea of gender is vague. And that there is inherent contradiction within progressive thought on this issue.

On the one hand, gender stereotypes are frowned upon and equality is emphasized, on the other hand, the very idea of claiming to be a gender infers some kind of stereotype.

So what does it mean to be a male, or female gender?

It seems any description one would give, could be seen as an insulting stereotype to someone else claiming that gender, but lacks that quality just claimed.


For instance if someone claims they are female in gender, becasue they feel strong e emotions, or like the touch of a strong man, it seems to deminish someone else who claims female gender yet isn’t emotional and doesn’t like men.


It seems the logical conclusion is gender is purely construct, and subjective.


but if it’s subjective, why make a big deal about it when others disagree?
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I grew up in the 1960s, so I thought gender was just a fiction made up by our society. But as time went on, almost every single woman I ever knew fit the female stereotype pretty well. And almost every single man. Gay men or women are kind of in separate categories. A gay man is different from a straight woman, and a gay woman is different from a straight man.

I have seldom known any women who did not have typical female careers, or else neutral, and vice versa for men.

I believe that hormones and genetics strongly influence what stereotypes we will resonate with.
 
Thus the (legal?) requirement that age and gender are currently determined at birth. If one is free to self-assign some other "determination" based on their personal feelings (opinion?) then those traits become indeterminate and rather fluid. Income/asset value is also left to outside (government?) definition and determination and cannot simply be self-designated based on personal preference (some laws refer to that as fraud).

Nothing is determined at birth. Even your age. Being 70 doesn't necessarily mean you have to shake your cane at the damn kids who won't get off your yard.

And how do you determine gender. Consider a person whose chromosomes say female, but has a penis. Is that a man or woman? What about those born intersex, you just live with whatever your parents decided at birth?

You're just afraid of the world changing but it always does. In 1920 it sure didn't look possible for a black person to become President. In 2020, that's already happened. I grew up on a very conservative place. In the 90s there was a big kerfuffle because some kid wore a shirt to school saying there would be a woman President someday. The kid literally got in trouble for this, and this wasn't a small town in East Bum****.

Point is, the world changes. Why are you afraid of that?
 
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