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The first presidents of the USA and those who signed the Declaration of Independence and U.S. Constitution were not professional politicians. Most were business men. However, the Democratic Party has now succeeded in successfully banning anyone but professional politicians from ever running for president again. For this, the Democratic professional politicians in Congress might has well have amended this prohibition into the US Constitution.

Few members on this forum have any real experience in significant business operations. Business people are good (Republican, except those who back Democrats) or business owners are evil (Democrats, except the super rich who give them money who therefore are perfect.)

However, anyone familiar with how business and competition works knows this:

NO businesses person would EVER publicly or otherwise divulge everything about who their vendors are, their contracts, prices, customers, suppliers, banking, investors, lawyers (and lawyers records), income, profits, loses etc. - and competitors can destroy that business in a dozen different ways - and do so. Commercial espionage and defenses against it are very much a part of the business world. In addition, no bank or any other investor would touch anyone knowing that the FBI and half a dozen Congressional committees will be subpoenaing all their records seeking any errors and inherently risking perjury traps, name scandalized by the opposing political party, the massive attorney fees involved and all the other risks, harassment, costs and time involved.

I could give numerous examples where a competitor destroyed a company by having an insider divulge even a fraction of what Democrats are in the process of divulging about Trump and his family's business operations.

No business person will ever run for president again. This is now reserved solely to professional politicians - the most corrupt people in the country.

It is important to note that President Trump is not being investigated for known crimes. All his records are being demanded hoping to find any political, personal or business information to harm him with, criminal or not. The sleazy politicians - both sides - have effectively banned all but themselves from ever seeking the presidency again. Government selects itself from now on.
 
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joko104 said:
The first presidents of the USA and those who signed the Declaration of Independence and U.S. Constitution were not professional politicians. Most were business men. However, the Democratic Party has now succeeded in successfully banning anyone but professional politicians from ever running for president again. For this, the Democratic professional politicians in Congress might has well have amended this prohibition into the US Constitution.

Few members on this forum have any real experience in significant business operations. Business people are good (Republican, except those who back Democrats) or business owners are evil (Democrats, except the super rich who give them money who therefore are perfect.)

However, anyone familiar with how business and competition works knows this:

NO businesses person would EVER publicly or otherwise divulge everything about who their vendors are, their contracts, prices, customers, suppliers, banking, investors, lawyers (and lawyers records), income, profits, loses etc. - and competitors can destroy that business in a dozen different ways - and do so. Commercial espionage and defenses against it are very much a part of the business world. In addition, no bank or any other investor would touch anyone knowing that the FBI and half a dozen Congressional committees will be subpoenaing all their records seeking any errors and inherently risking perjury traps, name scandalized by the opposing political party, the massive attorney fees involved and all the other risks, harassment, costs and time involved.

I could give numerous examples where a competitor destroyed a company by having an insider divulge even a fraction of what Democrats are in the process of divulging about Trump and his family's business operations.

No business person will ever run for president again. This is now reserved solely to professional politicians - the most corrupt people in the country.

It is important to note that President Trump is not being investigated for known crimes. All his records are being demanded hoping to find any political, personal or business information to harm him with, criminal or not. The sleazy politicians - both sides - have effectively banned all but themselves from ever seeking the presidency again. Government selects itself from now on.
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2 points..

One, more like ban game show hosting Reality TV stars from the Presidency.

Two, I have no problem with people from the private sector entering the public sector, so long as they do so with transparency and divestment, so the public can be certain they aren't using their public office to profit personally.
 
joko104 said:
The first presidents of the USA and those who signed the Declaration of Independence and U.S. Constitution were not professional politicians. Most were business men. However, the Democratic Party has now succeeded in successfully banning anyone but professional politicians from ever running for president again. For this, the Democratic professional politicians in Congress might has well have amended this prohibition into the US Constitution.

Few members on this forum have any real experience in significant business operations. Business people are good (Republican, except those who back Democrats) or business owners are evil (Democrats, except the super rich who give them money who therefore are perfect.)

However, anyone familiar with how business and competition works knows this:

NO businesses person would EVER publicly or otherwise divulge everything about who their vendors are, their contracts, prices, customers, suppliers, banking, investors, lawyers (and lawyers records), income, profits, loses etc. - and competitors can destroy that business in a dozen different ways - and do so. Commercial espionage and defenses against it are very much a part of the business world. In addition, no bank or any other investor would touch anyone knowing that the FBI and half a dozen Congressional committees will be subpoenaing all their records seeking any errors and inherently risking perjury traps, name scandalized by the opposing political party, the massive attorney fees involved and all the other risks, harassment, costs and time involved.

I could give numerous examples where a competitor destroyed a company by having an insider divulge even a fraction of what Democrats are in the process of divulging about Trump and his family's business operations.

No business person will ever run for president again. This is now reserved solely to professional politicians - the most corrupt people in the country.

It is important to note that President Trump is not being investigated for known crimes. All his records are being demanded hoping to find any political, personal or business information to harm him with, criminal or not. The sleazy politicians - both sides - have effectively banned all but themselves from ever seeking the presidency again. Government selects itself from now on.
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Yes. Power corrupts.
 
Another post with insanity from joko.

First, 'professional politicians' are neither good nor bad necessarily. Mitch McConnell is one and he's very bad, Bernie Sanders is one and he's very good. Same for inexperienced politicians. trump bad, OAC good.

Second, you don't understand the difference between private and public, leading to your lack of understanding of the need for public transparency to prevent corruption, and your false analogies about 'harm' from public transparency. What's hurting trump is not transparency, but his wrongdoing that's uncovered by transparency.

How, exactly, has trump been harmed by the transparency needed of public officials, other than wrongdoing found such as in the New York Times exposes? That's separate from the investigations based on criminal probably cause.

What is the gibberish about 'not investigated for known crimes'? trumpistas demand that first crimes be proven beyond any doubt before there can be any investigation (and then lie about the proof when it is offered). The 'most corrupt people' are the ones who BUY the Republican - and sometimes Democratic - politicians.
 
Craig234 said:
Another post with insanity from joko.

First, 'professional politicians' are neither good nor bad necessarily. Mitch McConnell is one and he's very bad, Bernie Sanders is one and he's very good. Same for inexperienced politicians. trump bad, OAC good.

Second, you don't understand the difference between private and public, leading to your lack of understanding of the need for public transparency to prevent corruption, and your false analogies about 'harm' from public transparency. What's hurting trump is not transparency, but his wrongdoing that's uncovered by transparency.

How, exactly, has trump been harmed by the transparency needed of public officials, other than wrongdoing found such as in the New York Times exposes? That's separate from the investigations based on criminal probably cause.

What is the gibberish about 'not investigated for known crimes'? trumpistas demand that first crimes be proven beyond any doubt before there can be any investigation (and then lie about the proof when it is offered). The 'most corrupt people' are the ones who BUY the Republican - and sometimes Democratic - politicians.
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I have to laugh hard at this post. Bernie? Good? Man you can't make up this sort of thing. People would think it was satire.
 
Renae said:
I have to laugh hard at this post. Bernie? Good? Man you can't make up this sort of thing. People would think it was satire.
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The reaction I hope for from the insane cult side.
 
joko104 said:
The first presidents of the USA and those who signed the Declaration of Independence and U.S. Constitution were not professional politicians. Most were business men. However, the Democratic Party has now succeeded in successfully banning anyone but professional politicians from ever running for president again. For this, the Democratic professional politicians in Congress might has well have amended this prohibition into the US Constitution.

Few members on this forum have any real experience in significant business operations. Business people are good (Republican, except those who back Democrats) or business owners are evil (Democrats, except the super rich who give them money who therefore are perfect.)

However, anyone familiar with how business and competition works knows this:

NO businesses person would EVER publicly or otherwise divulge everything about who their vendors are, their contracts, prices, customers, suppliers, banking, investors, lawyers (and lawyers records), income, profits, loses etc. - and competitors can destroy that business in a dozen different ways - and do so. Commercial espionage and defenses against it are very much a part of the business world. In addition, no bank or any other investor would touch anyone knowing that the FBI and half a dozen Congressional committees will be subpoenaing all their records seeking any errors and inherently risking perjury traps, name scandalized by the opposing political party, the massive attorney fees involved and all the other risks, harassment, costs and time involved.

I could give numerous examples where a competitor destroyed a company by having an insider divulge even a fraction of what Democrats are in the process of divulging about Trump and his family's business operations.

No business person will ever run for president again. This is now reserved solely to professional politicians - the most corrupt people in the country.

It is important to note that President Trump is not being investigated for known crimes. All his records are being demanded hoping to find any political, personal or business information to harm him with, criminal or not. The sleazy politicians - both sides - have effectively banned all but themselves from ever seeking the presidency again. Government selects itself from now on.
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Time for Proportional Representation then. This will increase the number of political parties in the House and allow far more candidates in the presidential election. Though this might require some kind of French style election for President.


Though I do favor a Swiss style presidency with 7 members on the executive appointed by their peers.
 
Winston said:
2 points..

One, more like ban game show hosting Reality TV stars from the Presidency.

Two, I have no problem with people from the private sector entering the public sector, so long as they do so with transparency and divestment, so the public can be certain they aren't using their public office to profit personally.
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That doesn't even address the topic. In reality, what you mean is you don't mind anyone from the private sector entering politics - as long as they abandon everything they have, lay off everyone and file bankruptcy having less than nothing and agree to never go into the business world the rest of his/her life.

If this had anything legitimate to it, Congress require all members of Congress to divulge the same information about themselves - which exactly none have done.
 
joko104 said:
That doesn't even address the topic. In reality, what you mean is you don't mind anyone from the private sector entering politics - as long as they abandon everything they have, lay off everyone and file bankruptcy having less than nothing.
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That is a hysterical view of my position.
Did Jimmy Carter sell his peanut farm? | Study.com

When Jimmy Carter became President of the United States in 1977, he relinquished control of his family peanut farm so that there was no potential for any conflicts of interest to arise. He did not actually sell the peanut farm, but placed it in a blind trust that was entirely outside of his control. For the next four years, the peanut farm would be operated by a law firm in Georgia and Jimmy Carter would have absolutely no authority over it. After leaving office, Carter did ultimately sell the peanut farm because it had lost so much money (largely thanks to drought).
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Craig234 said:
Another post with insanity from joko.

First, 'professional politicians' are neither good nor bad necessarily. Mitch McConnell is one and he's very bad, Bernie Sanders is one and he's very good. Same for inexperienced politicians. trump bad, OAC good.

Second, you don't understand the difference between private and public, leading to your lack of understanding of the need for public transparency to prevent corruption, and your false analogies about 'harm' from public transparency. What's hurting trump is not transparency, but his wrongdoing that's uncovered by transparency.

How, exactly, has trump been harmed by the transparency needed of public officials, other than wrongdoing found such as in the New York Times exposes? That's separate from the investigations based on criminal probably cause.

What is the gibberish about 'not investigated for known crimes'? trumpistas demand that first crimes be proven beyond any doubt before there can be any investigation (and then lie about the proof when it is offered). The 'most corrupt people' are the ones who BUY the Republican - and sometimes Democratic - politicians.
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I doubt you give a damn about integrity or you would be ranting that all the same records are required of all members of Congress.
 
joko104 said:
No business person will ever run for president again. This is now reserved solely to professional politicians - the most corrupt people in the country.
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Good, our two MBA presidents have been unmitigated disasters.
 
joko104 said:
No such business records were demanded of Jimmy Carter - and in any business interaction with Carter, none whatsoever. Nor is there ANY integrity in your claim anyway, since the records demands are not just while he is president, but going back a decade.
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Because he divested from his business....
 
Pretty sure I will never vote for a professional politician for president again. John McCain was my last.....and it felt really dirty and sleazy when I did. Thank God he lost.

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Maybe Trump should have placed the Trump Org into a слепое доверие
 
joko104 said:
It is important to note that President Trump is not being investigated for known crimes. All his records are being demanded hoping to find any political, personal or business information to harm him with, criminal or not. The sleazy politicians - both sides - have effectively banned all but themselves from ever seeking the presidency again. Government selects itself from now on.
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Trump IS being investigated for known crimes. Any private citizen, if charged by the things that Trump has been accused of in the Mueller report, would already have been indicted. It is only because he is POTUS that there is all this hand-wringing about charging him...so far.
 
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Putting a business into a trust, such as Carter's peanut farm, in no way whatsoever prevents him for actions beneficial to his peanut farm. It is stupid to claim it did. Anything that affected the peanut business, agriculture and anything about his land beneficial benefited him.
 
ataraxia said:
Trump IS being investigated for known crimes. Any private citizen, if charged by the things that Trump has been accused of in the Mueller report, would already have been indicted. It is only because he is POTUS that there is all this hand-wringing about charging him...so far.
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Lying, the #1 Democratic Party tactic. Accordingly, it is for many of its minions too. The only thing in the Mueller report was Mueller did not decide obstruction of justice, leaving that to Barr. Nothing of the firing of Comey had anything to do with Trump's business operations - absolutely nothing.
 
joko104 said:
Putting a business into a trust, such as Carter's peanut farm, in no way whatsoever prevents him for actions beneficial to his peanut farm. It is stupid to claim it did. Anything that affected the peanut business, agriculture and anything about his land beneficial benefited him.
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Laughable claim.

Tell me joko, what would you have said if the Saudi Prince bought 10,000 pallets of peanuts from Jimmy Carter's peanut farm in return for favors from Carter?
 
Winston said:
Maybe Trump should have placed the Trump Org into a слепое доверие
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Knowing Russian is something a Russian troll would know.

Putin and Russians absolutely loves the Democratic Party knowing if they gain the presidency the Democratic Party will give them all of Eastern Europe. Of course you hate Trump. All Russian business interests do.
 
Winston said:
Laughable claim.

Tell me joko, what would you have said if the Saudi Prince bought 10,000 pallets of peanuts from Jimmy Carter's peanut farm in return for favors from Carter?
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He's a student of Hillary and Bill Clinton? $130,000 plus the extra $500,000 into Bill Clinton's pocket in exchange for Crimea and 20% of our uranium. It wasn't Obama and Clinton who gave Ukraine weapons to stop further Russian expansion. Obama really meant it when he told the Russians he would be more flexible after the election - meaning exactly delivering anything and everything Putin and Russia wanted.

If the press and media hadn't convinced Putin that it was a lock that Hillary would win, he would have rolled much further and faster across Eastern Europe and the M.E. But with her election seemingly certain, he knew he could do so more leisurely.
 
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joko104 said:
He's a student of Hillary and Bill Clinton? $130,000 plus the extra $500,000 into Bill Clinton's pocket in exchange for Crimea and 20% of our uranium.
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If Trump is engaging in Clintonian behavior, are you in favor of him being brought to justice?
 
joko104 said:
Lying, the #1 Democratic Party tactic. Accordingly, it is for many of its minions too. The only thing in the Mueller report was Mueller did not decide obstruction of justice, leaving that to Barr. Nothing of the firing of Comey had anything to do with Trump's business operations - absolutely nothing.
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There were 10 points of obstruction of justice by Trump in the Mueller report. Do you know what they are?

And why do you think he left it up to Barr and not congress? Oversight is congress’ job.
 
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Winston said:
If Trump is engaging in Clintonian behavior, are you in favor of him being brought to justice?
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He is not engaging in the misconduct of Obama or the Clintons, but exactly opposite.

Wow, are you Demos truly desperate to try to derail this to generic worthless anti-Trump talking points the MSM orders to you make!
 
Winston said:
2 points..

One, more like ban game show hosting Reality TV stars from the Presidency.

Two, I have no problem with people from the private sector entering the public sector, so long as they do so with transparency and divestment, so the public can be certain they aren't using their public office to profit personally.
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But, you don't apply the same standard to members of the permanent political class.
 
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