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Does Trump Want to be Impeached?

Winston said:
So, basically everyone agrees Trump deserves to be impeached but, it's pointless because the Republicans are too attached to their corruption. Sweet.
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What corruption is that?
 
Winston said:
Have you considered skipping impeachment because the SDNY could indict him the day he loses in 2020?

(Or, rather when he leaves office.)
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That depends.

One option the Democrats could always seek is to ask the trial judge in Cohen's case for the grand jury material, in order to determine if the case for an indictment after office is likely sufficient.

Of course, that would require the Democrats to get political, and we can't have that.
 
GreatNews2night said:
That's a great option.
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Barr also opened the door for the next Democratic AG to appoint a US attorney to revisit Mueller's evidence and determine if Trump should be indicted, given the OLC would no longer apply.
 
ocean515 said:
No. Not so much. However, I appreciate that as a Progressive you think your opinion is the rule.
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And.. Judge Napolitano.. also a progressive?
 
HumblePi said:
Absolutely, that's the plan. His advisors like Stephen Miller and Kellyanne Conway are busy behind the scenes advising him of how to push Democrats towards that end. That's why the stage was set yesterday for that. The posters were printed, he had his crib sheet in his hand in case he forgot some big words. He thought that would do it, that it would push 'crazy Nancy' into a tailspin and give in to her caucus and push the 'Big I' word. But she's smarter than he ever can be and she knows exactly what their plan was. Nancy is light years ahead of any of them and pragmatic as hell. She won't be goaded into doing exactly what she knows he wants. She said it a week ago, "he's self-impeaching".
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I will admit, the old girl has often been having her way with him. After she spanked him during the shutdown, I do believe he fears her. After he walked through the Republican party like nobody's business, she seems to be the first person that repelled him. During the shutdown she deftly parried his every thrust, until he went silent and sequestered himself.
 
MovingPictures said:
Barr also opened the door for the next Democratic AG to appoint a US attorney to revisit Mueller's evidence and determine if Trump should be indicted, given the OLC would no longer apply.
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I have no doubt that when Trump leaves office he will be indicted. Whether or not this effort will succeed, though, depends on the composition of Appellate Courts and higher courts, and Trump has been filling them up with conservative judges and justices. Likely a New York State court (as in, non-federal) is the best bet.
 
bearpoker said:
I'm beginning to think so. He sure talks about it a lot. Here are the reasons he might want this:

1. He loves fighting
2. He loves playing the victim. (Drama Queen)
3. It will rev up his base.
4. He thinks it will backfire on the Democrats.

What do you think?
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Trump is in no legal jeopardy and he knows it. Seriously, what are they going to impeach him for?

Obstruction? Mueller punted on that question and the DOJ already said that they wouldn't indict him for it. The hearings would be a circus and not much more. Plus, the Senate would deliberate for about a second, maybe a second and a half, before dismissing it. It would be a joke.

Are they going to find something in his tax records? Not a chance. The guy has been under perpetual audit for decades so this idea that there is something in his tax returns that is going to reveal illegal activity is ridiculous on it's face. Making public his tax records is only going to reveal what everyone already knows... he's a sleazy businessman who's ethics are questionable at best.

"Business dealings with Russia" doesn't mean much now that Mueller has cleared him of collusion.

I would guess Trump is betting on the fact his base won't abandon him because of questionable business practices or anything regarding "obstruction". It is quite obvious to anyone with even an ounce of objectivity that they are going after him because they want to remove him from office using any and all means necessary, not for anything specific that he has done. They are looking for evidence of "anything" and that is NOT the way the system of "checks and balances" is supposed to work. For all of the bitching that we heard about the Benghazi hearings, Fast and Furious, IRS scandal, Clinton emails, etc... at least there was a specific event being investigated. That isn't what's happening here. It's pure fishing and it is obvious to everyone.

I believe, and I would bet that Trump believes, that the "net effect" will be far worse for Democrats than it will be for him. I also believe that if indictments start coming down against Comey, Brennan, McCabe, Strzok, etc... it'll be the last time we hear the word "impeachment" spoken for the duration of his presidency.
 
GreatNews2night said:
Trump is rotten and deeply unpopular with a chunk of the population but idolized by another chunk, and he is the incumbent, and presides over an economy that is seen (mistakenly) as rosy. Don't underestimate his strength in 2020. He will be stronger in 2020 than in 2016.

Censure is a good option, I agree. I think impeachment is too risky.

Think of the Rust Belt former Democrat voters who ended up voting for Trump. They are disillusioned and about to switch back to the Dems. They are also somewhat naive and uneducated. Now, if the Dems push impeachment, these folks might be turned off, and think, "the Dems want to nullify my vote, don't I count for something?" and revengefully vote for Trump again.

The Dems need to win the Rust Belt. That's where they lost, last time.

Anything that risks alienating those voters is too risky.

Elsewhere the field is pretty much set. The red states will go for Trump, the blue states will go for whoever the Dems nominate. The purple states in the Rust Belt are the ones that will decide the election.
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Those people will be won based on silly ADD level bull****, no matter what happens.

If they are so stupid that after everything Trump's done to take their healthcare, ruin their farms, shutdown the government, and sell them out to corporate interests isn't enough for them to wake-up and stay awake, then they deserve him in 2021, and I'm not going to stop them.

Most of these people in "middle town America" that are sticking with Trump, who we keep hearing about, are actually from longtime red districts, not purple ones.
 
Chomsky said:
I will admit, the old girl has often been having her way with him. After she spanked him during the shutdown, I do believe he fears her. After he walked through the Republican party like nobody's business, she seems to be the first person that repelled him. During the shutdown she deftly parried his every thrust, until he went silent and sequestered himself.
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The Democratic Party needs the wise intelligent girl Nancy Pelosi rather than the silly dumb girl AOC.
 
Chomsky said:
I will admit, the old girl has often been having her way with him. After she spanked him during the shutdown, I do believe he fears her. After he walked through the Republican party like nobody's business, she seems to be the first person that repelled him. During the shutdown she deftly parried his every thrust, until he went silent and sequestered himself.
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I think when Trump figured out he could disparage Gold Star families and war heroes and face no consequences from Republicans, was when he figured out Republicans had no bottom. But, maybe he always knew Republicans have no bottom since he made the 5th ave. comment earlier?

At any rate, he has been bludgeoning forward since then.. and now that he's facing real political opposition wielding some measure of power it is amusing to say the least.
 
Chomsky said:
I will admit, the old girl has often been having her way with him. After she spanked him during the shutdown, I do believe he fears her. After he walked through the Republican party like nobody's business, she seems to be the first person that repelled him. During the shutdown she deftly parried his every thrust, until he went silent and sequestered himself.
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She only showed strength because opinion polls quickly and overwhelmingly turned in their favor.

The liberal outcry that literally told her "don't you dare cave!" was what stopped her from surrendering.

Don't forget, Chomsky, she's the speaker that said "we won't give Bush a blank check for his wars" and then proceeded to do so.
 
MovingPictures said:
Those people will be won based on silly ADD level bull****, no matter what happens.

If they are so stupid that after everything Trump's done to take their healthcare, ruin their farms, shutdown the government, and sell them out to corporate interests isn't enough for them to wake-up and stay awake, then they deserve him in 2021, and I'm not going to stop them.

Most of these people in "middle town America" that are sticking with Trump, who we keep hearing about, are actually from longtime red districts, not purple ones.
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You are right that people have the president that they deserve. These naive, dumb, and uneducated voters shot themselves in the foot when they voted for Trump. One hopes that they will wake up, but it's not a given. The problem is, these Rust Belt types were the ones who decided the Electoral College result, and they imposed on the nation and the world the most disastrous "leader of the free world" in all of History. So, the attitude of "f them, they deserved it" is tempting but it might result in 4 more years of the disaster named Donald Trump. So, yes, we do need to seduce them back into the flock and wake them up.

It would be a human-nature understandable wish for sweet revenge against those dumb voters.... but we can't afford this attitude. The stakes are too big.
 
MovingPictures said:
She only showed strength because opinion polls quickly and overwhelmingly turned in their favor.

The liberal outcry that literally told her "don't you dare cave!" was what stopped her from surrendering.

Don't forget, Chomsky, she's the speaker that said "we won't give Bush a blank check for his wars" and then proceeded to do so.
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FYI, I still got that post of yours in a tab, waiting for me to reply.
 
ocean515 said:
I have no idea.

Why would I care about Napolitano? He is entitled to his opinion, as are both you and I.
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I have no doubt you don't care about what Napolitano says. But, your characterization that my viewpoint is limited to progressives is offbase. My assertion that it is just an application of basic legal analysis is evidence by Napolitano's agreement with my position.
 
bearpoker said:
I'm beginning to think so. He sure talks about it a lot. Here are the reasons he might want this:

1. He loves fighting
2. He loves playing the victim. (Drama Queen)
3. It will rev up his base.
4. He thinks it will backfire on the Democrats.

What do you think?
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Likely, most or all of the above. :cool:
 
Chomsky said:
FYI, I still got that post of yours in a tab, waiting for me to reply.
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Winston said:
I have no doubt you don't care about what Napolitano says. But, your characterization that my viewpoint is limited to progressives is offbase. My assertion that it is just an application of basic legal analysis is evidence by Napolitano's agreement with my position.
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Ok. I disagree with your assertion. It is based on your bias as a Progressive. My bias as a non-Progressive influences my opinion.

Napolitano's opinion caries no more weight than anyone else.

I can easily find many similarly qualified legal experts who have publicly stated the opposite of Napolitano's conclusions.
 
HumblePi said:
Absolutely, that's the plan. His advisors like Stephen Miller and Kellyanne Conway are busy behind the scenes advising him of how to push Democrats towards that end. That's why the stage was set yesterday for that. The posters were printed, he had his crib sheet in his hand in case he forgot some big words. He thought that would do it, that it would push 'crazy Nancy' into a tailspin and give in to her caucus and push the 'Big I' word. But she's smarter than he ever can be and she knows exactly what their plan was. Nancy is light years ahead of any of them and pragmatic as hell. She won't be goaded into doing exactly what she knows he wants. She said it a week ago, "he's self-impeaching".
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You're right HumblePi, the House Majority and Senate Minority are all talk and no walk.

The House will never impeach, they know they'll have to present an actual case before the Senate and a defense will rebute.

The House Majority has no case, all they'll do is attempt to sound bite Trump to death as they have the previous two years.
 
bearpoker said:
I'm beginning to think so. He sure talks about it a lot. Here are the reasons he might want this:

1. He loves fighting
2. He loves playing the victim. (Drama Queen)
3. It will rev up his base.
4. He thinks it will backfire on the Democrats.

What do you think?
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Of course. Otherwise the conversation is going to be about his quest to bring back pre-existing conditions and take away people's health care, his tax giveaway to his wealthy friends, his bungling of the border, the taxes his trade war is levying on consumers, his utterly incompetent Cabinet, etc, etc. He and his lackeys will be increasingly desperate to change the conversation as 2019 rolls into 2020.
 
Fletch said:
Trump talks a lot about impeachment??? Are you serious? Dems have been talking about it since the day he won. No, Trump does not want to be impeached. Thats just the latest in a long line of moronic liberal talking points. It couldnt possibly be more obvious that Trump wants the investigations of him to stop.
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Oh by golly are their new talking points worse than moronic, they are completely deceptive. Dems must think people are really stupid. Well they aren't and they are paying attention. This last stunt by Pelosi and the continuation of investigating Trump in their many committees after over two years of a rectal exam by Mueller, the majority find it disgusting that they continue this charade. But they will pay.

Do you remember when Trump referred to MS-13 gang members as Animals and Pelosi and Democrats in Congress found that to be horrible that Trump would describe any human being as an animal? Have you been paying attention to a number of heinous murders by MS13 gang members mostly young girls as their victims as of late? Tonight there's a new one out of Maryland two MS-13 gang teens who are here illegally living in the sanctuary city of Baltimore Maryland. Fetch, these two animals took a fourteen year old girl, a U.S. citizen, forced her to strip and then used machetes to chop her up. Do you see how far these yahoos will go to embrace evil instead of admitting the need to secure the border? People are fed up with these yahoos. Totally fed up.
 
hanger4 said:
You're right HumblePi, the House Majority and Senate Minority are all talk and no walk.

The House will never impeach, they know they'll have to present an actual case before the Senate and a defense will rebute.

The House Majority has no case, all they'll do is attempt to sound bite Trump to death as they have the previous two years.
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They aren't allowed to do their job of investigating because Trump is obstructing. That in itself is impeachable and an abuse of power. Once they get the green light from the federal courts, there will be plenty of impeachment material.
 
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