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Dem strategery : investigation in search of a crime

I'll break it down, but I'm not sure I have the skills to make it any plainer.

Let's start with the post I was responding to.



The intent of this quote seems to be that resistance of being hanged is not criminal.
However, the accusations against Trump are not merely that Trump does not want to face false charges.

The accusations against Trump are that he interfered with an investigation.

To connect the actual accusations against Trump to the horse thievery analogy posted by Barnacle, we should include the bit about the accusations of interfering with an investigation into horse thievery.
If we do not include that, then Barnacle's analogy becomes merely a strew man arguing against a position which has not been expressed — that Trump is accused of only not cooperating an investigation.
However, since the actual accusations against Trump are different from merely "resisting" ( as our faux horse-thief did) I extended the analogy to include the actual accusations against Trump.
Trump is not accused of merely "resisting" than the guy charged as a horse=thief.
Trump is accused of interfering with the investigation — which in the analogy is into horse thievery.
idk if that's any clearer.
but I tried


The "accusation" is that some of Trump's actions (whatever they were) could be interpreted as interference.
If neither Mueller nor his 20 (?) angry democrat lawyers were able to determine that these were in fact punishable interferences, then people like you have no standing in claiming that Trump interfered with Mueller's investigation.

"Mueller said in his report that he could not conclusively determine that Trump had committed a crime or that he hadn’t."

If 20 top lawyers with an abundance of staff were unable to determine whether a crime had been committed, surely even you must see that "or that he hadn't" is total BS and had no place in Mueller's conclusion.


... but then again ... look who I'm responding to ... :lol:
 
No question this is the New Democratic Party's objective.

For example, I'm hopeful the favor is returned by appropriate committee's in the Senate, who should demand 10 years of financial records from Cummings, Schiff, Pelosi, Schumer, etc..

I'm sure they can be equally creative in coming up with a "reason" such records are required.


In the end, it's the "noise" they want to create from their propaganda, in collusion with their MSM partners, to cloud the upcoming Presidential election.


Consider this. There is an assumption, no conclusion, President Trump is a crook. This is based on nothing rational. A convicted conman, Cohen, and discredited information from sources paid for by an opposing political party? Process crimes resulting from perjury traps?

Trump University? How many people did he con out their cash in that sleazy episode? Yes, he is a crook. He settled a race discrimination charge out of court. Yes, he is a racist.
Trump University: It’s Worse Than You Think | The New Yorker
Nothing rational, you say?
 
Trump University? How many people did he con out their cash in that sleazy episode? Yes, he is a crook. He settled a race discrimination charge out of court. Yes, he is a racist.

No he isn't a racist. There is nothing in his past that points to that being the case. That accusation is just part of the totalitarian strategy of lazy liberals indoctrinated by their leaders who control them.

Trump's mistake with the real estate classes was calling it a "university". That label triggered educational standards required in the State of New York the classes were never intended to meet. You can read that in the ruling.

If bad educational results was a standard for identifying crime, most of the administrators in today's Colleges and Universities would be in jail.
 
Read what I said. Yes I know it CAN happen , but without an actual crime- it falls apart.

Because the motive isn't there. No guilt to cover up.

WRONG again. The motive is to obstruct just to obstruct. That is what Trump was doing. If Trump wasn't president, he would already be in jail if anyone else had done what he has. Barr should be impeached as well for his corruption in acting as Trump's personal defense attorney.
 
No he isn't a racist. There is nothing in his past that points to that being the case. That accusation is just part of the totalitarian strategy of lazy liberals indoctrinated by their leaders who control them.

Trump's mistake with the real estate classes was calling it a "university". That label triggered educational standards required in the State of New York the classes were never intended to meet. You can read that in the ruling.

If bad educational results was a standard for identifying crime, most of the administrators in today's Colleges and Universities would be in jail.

Right, so screening potential tenants for their racial makeup isn't racist? If not then why did he not have his day in court, as an innocent person would? No, he weaselled out and paid off the plaintiffs so he didn't have to defend himself in court.
Is Donald Trump a Racist? Here'''s What His Record Shows | Fortune

The Trump 'university' was as much of a con as Scientology-making people pay for ever more expensive 'seminars', and getting nowhere but broke in the process. He is a conniving opportunist crook, a racist and a snivelling coward.
 
This is what people around the world point to when they laugh about American politics. Democrats, won the mid-term elections and control of the House and yet they appear to have no purpose behind that success other than to play politics and waste literally tens of millions of dollars on trying to bring down a President whom they could reasonably easily defeat in about 18 months if they had someone even remotely capable of challenging him on merit in the next Presidential election.

Democrats have no policies - no principles - no vision - just political games. No wonder many Americans simply tune out Washington and politics in general.

It's amazing, but Democrats are so bloody stupid that President Trump is reasonably looking at a second term.

I tried to find any post from you complaining about the Republicans acting as obstructionists and playing politics for over 8 years under Obama but can't seem to find any. Could you please help me find at least one, so that we know your comments aren't just easily dismissed as hypocritical partisan bull****?
 
WRONG again. The motive is to obstruct just to obstruct. That is what Trump was doing. If Trump wasn't president, he would already be in jail if anyone else had done what he has. Barr should be impeached as well for his corruption in acting as Trump's personal defense attorney.

Objection
Speculation

Sustained.

Next
 
Objection
Speculation

Sustained.

Next

Well since you aren't a judge, your opinion means jack and ****. That is why the investigation is far from over so deal with that.
 
Right, so screening potential tenants for their racial makeup isn't racist? If not then why did he not have his day in court, as an innocent person would? No, he weaselled out and paid off the plaintiffs so he didn't have to defend himself in court.
Is Donald Trump a Racist? Here'''s What His Record Shows | Fortune

The Trump 'university' was as much of a con as Scientology-making people pay for ever more expensive 'seminars', and getting nowhere but broke in the process. He is a conniving crook, a racist and a snivelling coward.

I've read the entire transcipts from the case your referring to. I know, crazy of me.

There was no screening. There were no pictures in those days. No credit reports. The process, as the transcripts proved, simply went by history of the perspective renter. There was no way of knowing the race of anyone.

The problem, as the transcripts show, was that such a practice ended up excluding too many minorities, which was a violation of the law. Why do you think the government settled the case, if there was ironclad evidence of racist practices?

Buyer beware in any of that kind of training. These Real Estate courses take place everyday. How often do you read about the people who conduct them getting sued? Perhaps some do, but I don't see it.

Again, if you look at the case, the big mistake was to call the course "Trump University". Add the name "University" and that triggers a multitude of educational requirements and standards never intended to be provided.

As a result, it was found Trump University wasn't a University by New York standards. No way to escape that fact. Settling was a smart move and a good lesson in bureaucratic BS.
 
Donald once stole a lunchbox from another kid, ate all the broccoli and farted in class.
 
“the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities,”- Mueller

So no underlying crime.

Obstruction of justice?

DEms insist that mean tweets about Mueller constitute obstruction.
Oh, it's a lot more than that. As we speak, Trump is defyingi all subpoenas without qualification. Trump is trying to deny America the benefit of
a congress doing the people's business because he had a temper tantrum. No prior president under investigation did that.
They are certain that telling a staffer to have Mueller fired, a right the president has, then not following up on it when it didn’t happen is the same as setting fire to evidence.

The key element in an obstruction charge is covering up guilt.

Without an actual underlying crime, the case for obstruction case falls apart.
there is no crime of “attempted obstruction of justice,” only obstruction of justice. It’s not like attempted murder,
That's totally false. Moreover, a president cannot fire someone with corrupt intent. To determine guilt, Mueller wanted to hear Trump's testimony, and size him up. But, Trump, the cowared he is, refused ( and hid behind his lawyers, oooh, "they didn't want me to" ooh, it's a "purgery trap". Well, if Trump didn't tell lies 10 times a day, they might have let him testify. >
Now they want 10 years of tax returns even though Trump has been audited by the IRS.
They are also auditing to see if the IRS did it's job. But, the IRS is not concerned item thing's that would conflict the president, present kompromat, and they are investigating for that, as well.
Pathetic- but I guess if your strongest candidate is Joe Biden ( LAFF) you go with what you got ,right?

The only thing that is pathetic is Donald Trump and republicans who have abandoned science, the rule of law, truth, for a bucket of thought terminating clichés, conspiracy theories and the Cult Of Trump.
 
Well since you aren't a judge, your opinion means jack and ****. That is why the investigation is far from over so deal with that.

Yea- it kinda is.
Failed .



But come on - you had 2 years of investigating.

Didn't pan out.
Sorry.
But hey - imagine how mucg crime is in those tax returns!

LAFFRIOT
 
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I've read the entire transcipts from the case your referring to. I know, crazy of me.

There was no screening. There were no pictures in those days. No credit reports. The process, as the transcripts proved, simply went by history of the perspective renter. There was no way of knowing the race of anyone.

The problem, as the transcripts show, was that such a practice ended up excluding too many minorities, which was a violation of the law. Why do you think the government settled the case, if there was ironclad evidence of racist practices?

Buyer beware in any of that kind of training. These Real Estate courses take place everyday. How often do you read about the people who conduct them getting sued? Perhaps some do, but I don't see it.

Again, if you look at the case, the big mistake was to call the course "Trump University". Add the name "University" and that triggers a multitude of educational requirements and standards never intended to be provided.

As a result, it was found Trump University wasn't a University by New York standards. No way to escape that fact. Settling was a smart move and a good lesson in bureaucratic BS.

If there was no wrongdoing why was Trump ordered not to discriminate? And if minorities were deliberately excluded, that isn't racial discrimination? So what is it then? Simple question.
 
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Well since you aren't a judge, your opinion means jack and ****. That is why the investigation is far from over so deal with that.

Are you a member of the bar and can enlighten us?
 
Yea- it kinda is.
Failed .

Sprry.

Actually it isn't which is why it's still going on and we're STILL finding out new corrupt things about Trump. So stick to your fantasy land all you want if it makes you feel better.
 
Are you a member of the bar and can enlighten us?

I wasn't aware we were in court, when did that happen? And what does your comment have to do with...well....anything?
 
If there was no wrongdoing why was Trump ordered not to discriminate? Simple question.

If you read the court transcripts, that directive was meant to require the Trump Organization adopt some other methods of screening to insure the result did not appear to be in violation of discrimination laws.

The government allowed the Trumps to settle without any admission of guilt to discrimination charges. Why do you think they allowed that?

If you have trouble sleeping, the entire case, as far as I know, can be accessed via this link:

United States v. Fred C. Trump, Donald Trump, and Trump Management, Inc. | Civil Rights Litigation Clearinghouse
 
Well since you aren't a judge, your opinion means jack and ****. That is why the investigation is far from over so deal with that.

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It. is. over.
 
“the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities,”- Mueller

So no underlying crime.

Obstruction of justice?

DEms insist that mean tweets about Mueller constitute obstruction.
They are certain that telling a staffer to have Mueller fired, a right the president has, then not following up on it when it didn’t happen is the same as setting fire to evidence.

The key element in an obstruction charge is covering up guilt.

Without an actual underlying crime, the case for obstruction case falls apart.
there is no crime of “attempted obstruction of justice,” only obstruction of justice. It’s not like attempted murder,

Now they want 10 years of tax returns even though Trump has been audited by the IRS.
Pathetic- but I guess if your strongest candidate is Joe Biden ( LAFF) you go with what you got ,right?

Trump gave the required financial statement. He is not required by law to give 10 years of tax returns.

This is congressional overreach to demand more.
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WRONG. Obstruction can happen WITHOUT an underlining crime. Bill Clinton was impeached by the House for obstruction of justice charges based on allegations Clinton lied about his relationship with Lewinski. Having an affair is not a crime.

What you are pissed about is Trump obstructed this investigation at least 10 times and most likely will be held accountable for it. Well to your pathetic complaining I say, TOUGH ****!

But while I agree that obstruction can happen without an underlying crime, Clinton is a bad example. Clinton did lie about the BJ.
 
Oh, it's a lot more than that. As we speak, Trump is defyingi all subpoenas without qualification. Trump is trying to deny America the benefit of
a congress doing the people's business because he had a temper tantrum. No prior president under investigation did that.

That's totally false. Moreover, a president cannot fire someone with corrupt intent. To determine guilt, Mueller wanted to hear Trump's testimony, and size him up. But, Trump, the cowared he is, refused ( and hid behind his lawyers, oooh, "they didn't want me to" ooh, it's a "purgery trap". Well, if Trump didn't tell lies 10 times a day, they might have let him testify. >

They are also auditing to see if the IRS did it's job. But, the IRS is not concerned item thing's that would conflict the president, present kompromat, and they are investigating for that, as well.


The only thing that is pathetic is Donald Trump and republicans who have abandoned science, the rule of law, truth, for a bucket of thought terminating clichés, conspiracy theories and the Cult Of Trump.

Crammed a whole lot of LW squawk points there, dincha?

Unfortunately none if it matters.

Mueller Report-> flop
Now on to the tax returns . LAFFRIOT!
 
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