Nations' rights are not based on their loyalty to the US. The US is not 'ruler of the world' who says who can do what based on loyalty to them.
I do not argue that they are.
And Iran has not said that and there is no plausible case for Iran as a threat to the US.
That is completely untrue.
Iran's national leaders have called for our nation's destruction, Craig234. And they are a world-wide state sponsor of terrorism. And if they obtain nuclear weapons, they can certainly be an existential threat to the United States. So I have no desire to allow them to do so. Why do you? Because Israel has nuclear weapons?
But, there IS a case that the US has chosen sides of Israel over Iran, and is simply trying to deny Iran the right to protect themselves - admittedly with the same sort of risk that Israel having nukes raises for that region of nuclear war there.
Well, yes. I do not deny that. Israel and the United States are allies and trading partners. Iran is a geopolitical rival and adversary of both the United States and Israel. So it is only natural to favor Israel over Iran, in the same way that I would imagine you favor your beloved friends and family members over violent criminals who have threatened you and yours harm.
The rational, sensible policy would be to deny nukes to both Israel AND Iran, but bias for Israel prevents that - leaving us with a policy based strictly on 'might makes right' and not justifiable as any 'fairness'.
Perhaps that is fair, in the same way that wanting to strip your law-abiding sister of her right to own a gun is fair because her next door neighbor who is a convicted serial rapist had his gun rights taken away, and thus it would be unfair for one to be allowed to carry arms and other not to be.
First, no, Iran has not shown itself to be an aggressor nation.
Yes it has. The regime is using a significant portion of its meager national income not improving the lives of its citizenry, but arming Shia terror groups and militias across the Middle East to expand its regional hegemony.
And it's not as if the US hasn't backed non-democratic regimes, expansionist regimes when it benefits us - look at Saudi Arabia and Yemen now. Or look at how the US overthrew democracy in Iran and installed a dictator for 25 years, and then encouraged Saddam to attack them in a war with a million casualties. And THEY are the aggressor?
I am in no way trying to whitewash the United States's history of backing tyrannical powers. However, is it truly your position that once a nation state is wronged or made the victim of foreign aggression that it can never itself be the perpetrator of aggression?
So, no, you are simply admitting what I said - that there is no basis for saying "Israel can have nukes, but Iran can't" other than our using force to deny nations we don't 'like' the right to defend themselves. And we saw what not having nukes got Vietnam, Qadafi, Saddam, etc.
Are you talking about North Vietnam or South Vietnam?
So, you're willing to condemn the US for opposing the proliferation of nuclear weapons to the Middle East including Israel.
Yes. Dredging up the mistakes and missteps of the United States' past is not the sole domain of self-designated progressives such as yourself, Craig234.
Interesting to see how far your partisanship for Israel goes, above your loyalty to the US and the rest of the world.
This sentence makes literally no sense whatsoever. One cannot have loyalty to the United States
and the rest of the world, anymore than you can be faithful to your wife
and every other woman on the block. But leaving that aside, let me make my position clear to you: I support democratic, law-governed nations that ensure the rights of their citizenry over violent authoritarian despotic regimes. Especially when those democratic nations are our allies, and the despotic regimes are our self-declared enemies. That is why I support Israel as an American conservative. My question to you is why are you carrying so much water for the despotic Iranian theocracy and call yourself a progressive? At least the American Communist Party
who defended the Soviet Union were proud Stalinists/Marxist-Leninists, and the
German American Bund before World War 2 were out-and-proud American Nazis. What values do you share with Iranian regime that makes you an apologist for it?
