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America: Evil Empire?

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Navy SEALs Were Warned Against Reporting Their Chief for War Crimes - The New York Times

Stabbing a defenseless teenage captive to death. Picking off a school-age girl and an old man from a sniper’s roost. Indiscriminately spraying neighborhoods with rockets and machine-gun fire.

Navy SEAL commandos from Team 7’s Alpha Platoon said they had seen their highly decorated platoon chief commit shocking acts in Iraq. And they had spoken up, repeatedly. But their frustration grew as months passed and they saw no sign of official action.
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Just heard about this guy. What an abomination to the Navy.


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No America is not an evil empire. But there some evil people who by the chance of birth are evil Americans
 
Tigerace117 said:
How exactly does the actions of one guy--- with numerous other SEALs speaking out against what he did--- qualify the US as an "evil empire"?
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Not just one guy. There's also the government that allowed this deplorable to remain deployed after his colleagues had reported his war crimes
 
sangha said:
Not just one guy. There's also the government that allowed this deplorable to remain deployed after his colleagues had reported his war crimes
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Verifying crimes in war zones is not a matter to take lightly and the word of some of his men that may have a grudge is something to take into account as well... their word is not fact.
 
Chillfolks said:
No America is not an evil empire. But there some evil people who by the chance of birth are evil Americans
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That go into the governments Empire and do Evil things... making the Empire Evil.
 
sangha said:
Not just one guy. There's also the government that allowed this deplorable to remain deployed after his colleagues had reported his war crimes
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So in other words inertia and taking their time to investigate. That doesn't qualify as "evil".....or an "empire" for that matter
 
sangha said:
Not just one guy. There's also the government that allowed this deplorable to remain deployed after his colleagues had reported his war crimes
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Well, I would say that there is a world of difference between a government's reluctance to charge war criminals (or simply taking time to engage in investigative due diligence) on the one hand, and actually ordering and encouraging war crimes and crimes against humanity on the other. If there had been a general order that this man and the soldiers under his command were to kill civilians without warning, mercy, or quarter, I would agree.
 
Felis Leo said:
Well, I would say that there is a world of difference between a government's reluctance to charge war criminals (or simply taking time to engage in investigative due diligence) on the one hand, and actually ordering and encouraging war crimes and crimes against humanity on the other. If there had been a general order that this man and the soldiers under his command were to kill civilians without warning, mercy, or quarter, I would agree.
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The government wasn't going to do anything about this but, the people who spoke out threatened to go to the media.
 
Felis Leo said:
Well, I would say that there is a world of difference between a government's reluctance to charge war criminals (or simply taking time to engage in investigative due diligence) on the one hand, and actually ordering and encouraging war crimes and crimes against humanity on the other. If there had been a general order that this man and the soldiers under his command were to kill civilians without warning, mercy, or quarter, I would agree.
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There's also this tidbit:

The enlisted aide, Master Chief Petty Officer Brian Alazzawi, warned them that the “frag radius” — the area damaged by an explosion — from a war-crime investigation of Chief Gallagher could be wide enough to take down a lot of other SEALs as well, the report said.
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Winston said:
The government wasn't going to do anything about this but, the people who spoke out threatened to go to the media.
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It is unfortunate that it came to that, and that these soldiers could not trust the system to be responsive once they reported this particular service member's alleged crimes. We will see how this plays out. But there seems to be a lot of rather creepy goings-on in the covert world of the Navy SEALS. Neither Chief Gallagher nor his accusers have stood to be interviewed by the Times. We are hearing third-hand hearsay. I am going to withhold my judgment until more evidence comes out.
 
Tigerace117 said:
How exactly does the actions of one guy--- with numerous other SEALs speaking out against what he did--- qualify the US as an "evil empire"?
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This is part of a pattern of behavior on behalf of the U.S. This guy is a symptom of the larger problem of U.S. aggression. There's a reason why the U.S. ranks high in the international survey's on who is the #1 threat to world peace.
 
Felis Leo said:
It is unfortunate that it came to that, and that these soldiers could not trust the system to be responsive once they reported this particular service member's alleged crimes. We will see how this plays out. But there seems to be a lot of rather creepy goings-on in the covert world of the Navy SEALS. Neither Chief Gallagher nor his accusers have stood to be interviewed by the Times. We are hearing third-hand hearsay. I am going to withhold my judgment until more evidence comes out.
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fair play
 
Winston said:
This is part of a pattern of behavior on behalf of the U.S. This guy is a symptom of the larger problem of U.S. aggression. There's a reason why the U.S. ranks high in the international survey's on who is the #1 threat to world peace.
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"Aggression"

Otherthrowing brutal dictators and fighting terrorist groups is not "aggression".

International surveys are utterly meaningless by the way.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Which is not actually proof of any wrong doing by any other SEALs, much less proof that the US is an "evil empire".
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Polls: US Is ‘the Greatest Threat to Peace in the World Today’ — Strategic Culture

It has happened again: yet another international poll finds that the US is viewed by peoples around the world to be the biggest threat to world peace.

But, to start, let’s summarize the first-ever poll that had been done on this, back in 2013, which was the only prior poll on this entire issue, and it was the best-performed such poll: «An end-of-the-year WIN/Gallup International survey found that people in 65 countries believe the United States is the greatest threat to world peace», as the N.Y. Post reported on 5 January 2014.
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Geez, we have Navy officers stabbing unarmed civilians to death and spraying rockets into residential neighborhoods.. I wonder where they get the idea that we are the #1 threat to world peace from :roll:
 
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Tigerace117 said:
"Aggression"

Otherthrowing brutal dictators and fighting terrorist groups is not "aggression".

International surveys are utterly meaningless by the way.
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He shot a child with a sniper rifle and then laughed about it.
 
Tigerace117 said:
"Aggression"

Otherthrowing brutal dictators and fighting terrorist groups is not "aggression".

International surveys are utterly meaningless by the way.
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Early missionaries brought more misery than salvation...
To the bolded: Afghanistan and Iraq are hardly chalked up as successes in foreign policy...
 
Tigerace117 said:
"Aggression"

Otherthrowing brutal dictators and fighting terrorist groups is not "aggression".

International surveys are utterly meaningless by the way.
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Our civilian body count is too high for us to feign like we aren't terrorists ourselves.
 
Winston said:
Polls: US Is ‘the Greatest Threat to Peace in the World Today’ — Strategic Culture



Geez, we have Navy officers stabbing unarmed civilians to death and spraying rocket launchers into residential neighborhoods.. I wonder where they get the idea that we are the #1 threat to world peace from :roll:
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Again, utterly meaningless. Calling international opinion "fickle" would be putting it laughably mildly. Not only that, but the same "international community" which whines about the US is the same one constantly crying for the US to do something about this or that international problem.

Gee, we have a single guy, whose actions were actively condemned by his own men. Again, that's not "proof" of anything, much less the US being an "evil empire".
 
Winston said:
He shot a child with a sniper rifle and then laughed about it.
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Proof that individual is an evil asshole not that America is an evil empire.
 
Tigerace117 said:
"Aggression"

Otherthrowing brutal dictators and fighting terrorist groups is not "aggression".

International surveys are utterly meaningless by the way.
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America likes to portray its interventionist foreign policy as a struggle to defend freedom and democracy, but historically the United States government has supported and financed at least as many brutal dictatorships as it has a overthrown. Given their propensity for overthrowing democratically elected governments when those elections bring socialists to power, characterizing US foreign policy as "aggression" is not inaccurate.
 
Winston said:
Our civilian body count is too high for us to feign like we aren't terrorists ourselves.
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:lamo

What a load of crap.

Terrorists deliberately target civilian populaces in their attacks. The US has always tried to minimize civilian casualties wherever possible--- and no, the actions of a single guy does not change that fact. There's about a billion other blindingly obvious reasons why you comment is idiotic, butt that's just for starters.
 
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