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Immigration - Could It Be Possible ......

Luther

Luther

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That high number legal immigration is worst than illegal?
 
Legal immigrants aren't criminals.


You're welcome.
 
I like it when people ring the doorbell and wait to be let in, instead of just sneaking in through the window.
As long as we have capacity, let people come, regardless of where they are from. The application process should start at country of origin, and continued in the U.S.

What was the question again?
Oh, no, it isn't. We need people, all sorts of legal people. It is what makes our country great.
 
Lovebug said:
I like it when people ring the doorbell and wait to be let in, instead of just sneaking in through the window.
As long as we have capacity, let people come, regardless of where they are from. The application process should start at country of origin, and continued in the U.S.

What was the question again?
Oh, no, it isn't. We need people, all sorts of legal people. It is what makes our country great.
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Um..... somehow you missed the recommendations of the greatest immigration study ever conducted?

It's the numbers

 
Luther said:
Um..... somehow you missed the recommendations of the greatest immigration study ever conducted?

It's the numbers

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We have plenty of room. Productive members of society can only be an asset.
 
Lovebug said:
We have plenty of room. Productive members of society can only be an asset.
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Pist... this was a bipartisan congressional study

There are what they call "unintended consequences"

Stay focused.. it's the numbers
 
Hello, Luther:

1. You are touching on a sensitive topic.


2. The United States of America is truly a land of immigrants.


3. In the past, most of them came from Europe.


4. I have read that currently, only 20% are from that continent. (Life has dramatically improved for Europeans.)


5. There are some people who do NOT care whether an immigrant comes here with permission or not. In fact, a few political candidates have either said or implied this. No doubt they are sincere in their belief.


6. Personally, I agree with President Trump that only educated legal immigrants should be invited to the States.

7. There are, however, sincere people who feel that we should also allow the uneducated to come here. It is said that employers need them for certain kinds of work.

8. I have read that some prominent people call for free movement of people between Canada, the USA, and Mexico. After all, it is widely accepted that by the year 2100, the States will no longer be a Caucasian-majority nation. So maybe other historic events will follow, such as a federation of Canada, the US, and Mexico / Central America.

9. After President Trump is gone in 2020 or 2024 (or tomorrow), immigration (legal and "unauthorized") will no longer be on the political radar. It will just be a given accepted by most Americans.


Best wishes
 
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Lovebug said:
We have plenty of room. Productive members of society can only be an asset.
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The greater the excess of semi-skilled and unskilled workers, the less companies have to pay employees and can fire employees without hesitation having a line of replacement applicants. The more wages are pushed downward, the more companies make.

For those who can not find a job or their wages are not sufficient to live on, the government will collect money from those who do have jobs to give it to those who do not and those who need more money.

Further benefiting corporations and businesses is if the employees are illegal and otherwise unable to find a job, many are willing to work for less than minimum wage - until legislation rightly eliminates it, without any benefits and the company paying no payroll taxes or meeting any other requirements.

By constantly pushing wages of blue collar labor downward in relation to inflation, while increasing inflation thru government debts, corporations can greatly profit and the owners are insulated from the effects of inflation and dropping wages.

If sufficient recruiting is done for enough tens of millions more migrants, ideally off-the-books wages can be reduced to no more than $20 for a 12 hour day, with this effectively reduced to $10 by inflation. Needing more to survive will create great loyalty to the government by necessity. The economic benefits by mass immigration to businesses and the government is enormous.

While extremely costly in terms of national debts and inflation, countries such as China will loan us money to pay the growing debt and at no more than 10% interest. By perpetually raising the debt, we never have to pay the debt and instead those other countries who loan the money can cash in on the debt using it to acquire more American land and businesses - reducing the burden of Americans being liable for the property and businesses. In addition, the higher the level of inflation by increasing the national debt, the less value the debt has dollar for dollar.

Ideally, the goal should be an unemployment rate of approximately 25%, the level of unemployment in the city Pete Buttigieg is mayor of and why some support him as he understands the great benefits of high unemployment. This then could be combined with increasing the national debt 25% per year with a matching level of inflation and and reducing wages by 25% per year via additional still more 10s of millions of immigration. This also would prevent the USA from having any significant military force thus ending the USAs evil imperialistic involvement in of the world.

The net effect benefits from increasing massive numbers of migrants also includes eliminating the greed of the United States and Americans, at first to equalize to the lowest level of quality of life of the lowest income countries of the world for ethical fairness, and then still lower as a punitive measure for the misdeeds of the United States and Americans in the past. Annual increased millions of immigrants also has the added bonus of dramatically lowing the USA's carbon footprint by such cost saving measures as eliminating residential electricity, making vehicle fuel for personal vehicles too expensive for working people to afford, and making meat unaffordable - all to do our part to stop the imminent and permanent destruction of life on earth as we know it by 2031.

Those and other benefits of annually adding millions and ideally tens of millions of low-skill and no-skill uneducated migrates are almost too numerous to count. Eliminating police abuse by eliminating the funds for police,
eliminating old structures by fires by the elimination of fire departments,
with road and bridge deterioration to make them unusable further restricting burning vehicle fossil fuels,
closing down private charities as that is governments job,
closing down churches to get around the government prohibited from formally banning religions because off people being unable to contribute,
and - ideally - so reducing the value of money that ordinary people revert to some fashion of a barter system such as trading working all day at a restaurant in exchange for a meal - as just a few more benefits.

We should use Amtrak, military vehicles and aircraft, contract with FedEx and UPS for their trucks and aircraft, seize private semi trucks, use cargo container ships all to be filled as tightly as possible with poor uneducated people from around the world - but mostly south of our border - to immediately bring in as many tens of millions as rapidly as possible. Housing would be by requiring those existing in the USA to adopt one migrant family per household into their own home for free and providing their meals.
 
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Within just a very few years we could double the USA population with uneducated no-skills migrants. For all the benefits, the United States could then formally boast to the United Nations that other than corporate owners and top government employees and politicians, the average American's real wages value is lower than anywhere else in the world for which, finally, the USA would be an ethical country of ethical people.

To obtain all such benefits and that goal, people need only vote Democratic in 2020.
 
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KevinKohler said:
Legal immigrants aren't criminals.


You're welcome.
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But high number legal immigrants from 3rd world' countries can do what to America?


Oh my......
 
Lovebug said:
We have plenty of room. Productive members of society can only be an asset.
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Really?

I thought immigrantes are more likely to be on the Gov teat than natives?

Oh my.....

Not to mention they come from 3rd world hell holds and tend to vote more socialist.
 
TheParser said:
Hello, Luther:

1. You are touching on a sensitive topic.


2. The United States of America is truly a land of immigrants.






3. In the past, most of them came from Europe.


4. I have read that currently, only 20% are from that continent. (Life has dramatically improved for Europeans.)


5. There are some people who do NOT care whether an immigrant comes here with permission or not. In fact, a few political candidates have either said or implied this. No doubt they are sincere in their belief.


6. Personally, I agree with President Trump that only educated legal immigrants should be invited to the States.

7. There are, however, sincere people who feel that we should also allow the uneducated to come here. It is said that employers need them for certain kinds of work.

8. I have read that some prominent people call for free movement of people between Canada, the USA, and Mexico. After all, it is widely accepted that by the year 2100, the States will no longer be a Caucasian-majority nation. So maybe other historic events will follow, such as a federation of Canada, the US, and Mexico / Central America.

9. After President Trump is gone in 2020 or 2024 (or tomorrow), immigration (legal and "unauthorized") will no longer be on the political radar. It will just be a given accepted by most Americans.


Best wishes
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1. You are touching on a sensitive topic.
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It's a nation killing topic(wink)



2. The United States of America is truly a land of immigrants.
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Yes, but high number "legal" immigration is relatively a new phenomenon and is uncharted waters(Hello)


3. In the past, most of them came from Europe.
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Yes



4. I have read that currently, only 20% are from that continent. (Life has dramatically improved for Europeans.)
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Yep, thank the 1965 immigration act for that. Also, Europe has improved at our expense
 
Luther said:
That high number legal immigration is worst than illegal?
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Never. I want law abiding people living next door to me not lawless people. Law abiding made this country great. Lawless people will destroy our country the same as it did the countries they are fleeing.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
Never. I want law abiding people living next door to me not lawless people. Law abiding made this country great. Lawless people will destroy our country the same as it did the countries they are fleeing.
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I want law abiding people living next door to me not lawless people. Law abiding made this country great
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But what if vain politicians from a vain citizenry is responsible for these HIGH number legal immigration laws?
Lawless people will destroy our country the same as it did the countries they are fleeing.
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No, this is what is destroying our country(Hello)

"The tyranny of a prince in an oligarchy is not so dangerous to the public welfare as the apathy of a citizen in a democracy."--Montesquieu, Spirit of the laws, 1748.
 
snakestretcher said:
You can't find room in your huge country?
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Rome had a huge empire and after 394 AD , there were more Barbarian(Non - Roman) soldiers fighting on behalf of Rome than Roman soldiers (Hello)

Yes, History don't repeat itself but it sure Rhymes(wink)
 
joko104 said:
The greater the excess of semi-skilled and unskilled workers, the less companies have to pay employees and can fire employees without hesitation having a line of replacement applicants. The more wages are pushed downward, the more companies make.

For those who can not find a job or their wages are not sufficient to live on, the government will collect money from those who do have jobs to give it to those who do not and those who need more money.

Further benefiting corporations and businesses is if the employees are illegal and otherwise unable to find a job, many are willing to work for less than minimum wage - until legislation rightly eliminates it, without any benefits and the company paying no payroll taxes or meeting any other requirements.

By constantly pushing wages of blue collar labor downward in relation to inflation, while increasing inflation thru government debts, corporations can greatly profit and the owners are insulated from the effects of inflation and dropping wages.

If sufficient recruiting is done for enough tens of millions more migrants, ideally off-the-books wages can be reduced to no more than $20 for a 12 hour day, with this effectively reduced to $10 by inflation. Needing more to survive will create great loyalty to the government by necessity. The economic benefits by mass immigration to businesses and the government is enormous.

While extremely costly in terms of national debts and inflation, countries such as China will loan us money to pay the growing debt and at no more than 10% interest. By perpetually raising the debt, we never have to pay the debt and instead those other countries who loan the money can cash in on the debt using it to acquire more American land and businesses - reducing the burden of Americans being liable for the property and businesses. In addition, the higher the level of inflation by increasing the national debt, the less value the debt has dollar for dollar.

Ideally, the goal should be an unemployment rate of approximately 25%, the level of unemployment in the city Pete Buttigieg is mayor of and why some support him as he understands the great benefits of high unemployment. This then could be combined with increasing the national debt 25% per year with a matching level of inflation and and reducing wages by 25% per year via additional still more 10s of millions of immigration. This also would prevent the USA from having any significant military force thus ending the USAs evil imperialistic involvement in of the world.

The net effect benefits from increasing massive numbers of migrants also includes eliminating the greed of the United States and Americans, at first to equalize to the lowest level of quality of life of the lowest income countries of the world for ethical fairness, and then still lower as a punitive measure for the misdeeds of the United States and Americans in the past. Annual increased millions of immigrants also has the added bonus of dramatically lowing the USA's carbon footprint by such cost saving measures as eliminating residential electricity, making vehicle fuel for personal vehicles too expensive for working people to afford, and making meat unaffordable - all to do our part to stop the imminent and permanent destruction of life on earth as we know it by 2031.

Those and other benefits of annually adding millions and ideally tens of millions of low-skill and no-skill uneducated migrates are almost too numerous to count. Eliminating police abuse by eliminating the funds for police,
eliminating old structures by fires by the elimination of fire departments,
with road and bridge deterioration to make them unusable further restricting burning vehicle fossil fuels,
closing down private charities as that is governments job,
closing down churches to get around the government prohibited from formally banning religions because off people being unable to contribute,
and - ideally - so reducing the value of money that ordinary people revert to some fashion of a barter system such as trading working all day at a restaurant in exchange for a meal - as just a few more benefits.

We should use Amtrak, military vehicles and aircraft, contract with FedEx and UPS for their trucks and aircraft, seize private semi trucks, use cargo container ships all to be filled as tightly as possible with poor uneducated people from around the world - but mostly south of our border - to immediately bring in as many tens of millions as rapidly as possible. Housing would be by requiring those existing in the USA to adopt one migrant family per household into their own home for free and providing their meals.
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You claim a lot without giving any factual evidence to support what you say. Hence, your claims are unfounded and dismissed as the burden of proof is on you, without which there is no need to argue against.
 
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