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Judge orders Trump Accounts to hand over info to House!

Winston said:
Yes, he has all rights to due process.

I just think it's hilarious to process hump in defense of someone making a mockery of process.


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Process hump? Is there some reason for the snarky reply? Perhaps you meant to type something else?
 
Carleen said:
You are wrong. There will be no appeal. Please check it.
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They can still try to appeal the ruling, but Trump's team were not granted a stay, which means Mazars must comply with the subpoena in the meantime.
 
MovingPictures said:
They can try all they want, but the judge didn't grant a stay for Trump's team, because they presented no serious legal arguments.

Thus, Mazars will probably comply right now with the subpoena.
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Yes, I understand Mazars denied any stay. That doesn't eliminate a citizens right to appeal.
 
Rogue Valley said:
And obstruct justice.
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What crime has been committed? There is no obstruction of justice just because the House Dems want to see Trump's finances. Why rush to such stupid conclusions. And, yes, Trump will in fact appeal. He will protect the office of President from unwarranted search and seizures :) Dems are simply psychotic.
 
ocean515 said:
I don't know the grounds on which he will be appealing.

Do you think the President should not be afforded the rights enumerated in the Constitution?
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Of course he is. But I don't have a right to stall a subpoena from congress through years of appeals and neither does he. He filed his lawsuit. He was laughed out of court essentially. This is as clear cut as it gets. If another court wishes to order a halt on the order they can. But without that, he doesn't get to just stall forever. That's not a right.
 
MovingPictures said:
They can still try to appeal the ruling, but Trump's team were not granted a stay, which means Mazars must comply with the subpoena in the meantime.
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Wanna bet! Right to the SCOTUS!!!
 
roughdraft274 said:
Of course he is. But I don't have a right to stall a subpoena from congress through years of appeals and neither does he. He filed his lawsuit. He was laughed out of court essentially. This is as clear cut as it gets. If another court wishes to order a halt on the order they can. But without that, he doesn't get to just stall forever. That's not a right.
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Of course a citizen has that right. Whether it takes years or not doesn't eliminate a citizens right to appeal a judgement.

Even people sentenced to die have a right to appeal, knowing the process will take years.
 
Cougarbear said:
Wanna bet! Right to the SCOTUS!!!
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It can go to the SCOTUS. But in the interim, Mazars must comply and hand over the requested documents to Congress.
 
Cougarbear said:
You will lose! He won't give them anything due to separation of powers. Watch! Right to the SCOTUS!
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I think you are confusing me with the others who are salivating at Mazar's ruling.

The President, like any citizen, has a right to appeal, and I have every reason to believe he will.
 
ocean515 said:
Yes, I understand Mazars denied any stay. That doesn't eliminate a citizens right to appeal.
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His right to appeal doesn't oblige Mazars to wait on it to comply with the subpoena.

They are in all likelihood going to give the Congress what they requested before he gets a chance.
 
Rogue Valley said:
It can go to the SCOTUS. But in the interim, Mazars must comply and hand over the requested documents to Congress.
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Exactly.

God damn it! SOB! Why don't people understand this?
 
MovingPictures said:
Exactly.

God damn it! SOB! Why don't people understand this?
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Because they have been inculcated to believe Trump is above the law ... and impervious to Congressional checks and balances.
 
ocean515 said:
Of course a citizen has that right. Whether it takes years or not doesn't eliminate a citizens right to appeal a judgement.

Even people sentenced to die have a right to appeal, knowing the process will take years.
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Of course they can appeal. But this isn't a criminal case. These are 2 separate things. But if you want to compare them, if you are given the death penalty, you go to jail while you appeal. You don't get to stay free while you appeal. So if he wants to appeal, he can. But the records must be handed over unless a higher court issues something saying to wait for an appeal. Cases like this happen every day, and stuff is forced to be turned over all the time without the supreme court ruling on it. If every single decision on a warrant or a subpoena had to be ruled on by the SC, we'd never get anywhere.

Seriously. If the police get a warrant to search my house, do you think I'd have the ability to fight them all the way to the SC before they bust my door down and do the search?
 
MovingPictures said:
His right to appeal doesn't oblige Mazars to wait on it to comply with the subpoena.

They are in all likelihood going to give the Congress what they requested before he gets a chance.
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I would tend to agree. At least at this point. It remains to be seen what happens next.

Mazar left an interesting "door" in the ruling:

Judge upholds Dem subpoena for Trump financial records - POLITICO


“...it is not the court’s role to decipher whether Congress’s true purpose in pursuing an investigation is to aid legislation or something more sinister such as exacting political retribution,” Mehta wrote.​


The operative is: "It is not the court's role to decipher...."


Maybe not Mazar's court, but another court could.
 
ocean515 said:
I think you are confusing me with the others who are salivating at Mazar's ruling.

The President, like any citizen, has a right to appeal, and I have every reason to believe he will.
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The president is being treated like any other citizen.
 
roughdraft274 said:
Of course they can appeal. But this isn't a criminal case. These are 2 separate things. But if you want to compare them, if you are given the death penalty, you go to jail while you appeal. You don't get to stay free while you appeal. So if he wants to appeal, he can. But the records must be handed over unless a higher court issues something saying to wait for an appeal. Cases like this happen every day, and stuff is forced to be turned over all the time without the supreme court ruling on it. If every single decision on a warrant or a subpoena had to be ruled on by the SC, we'd never get anywhere.

Seriously. If the police get a warrant to search my house, do you think I'd have the ability to fight them all the way to the SC before they bust my door down and do the search?
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You get to stay free from dying!

Backlogs and court time frames aren't measures of justice, unless I suppose you're speaking of a right to a speedy trial.

It seems clear these documents are set to be handed over, based on the ruling. However, that doesn't mean they will be.


Should the House prevail in this obvious political stunt, it will be interesting to see how they act. I would tread lightly.

There are powers other members of Congress have along an identical line, that could prove embarrassing to the House members pursuing this.
 
ocean515 said:
I would tend to agree. At least at this point. It remains to be seen what happens next.

Mazar left an interesting "door" in the ruling:

Judge upholds Dem subpoena for Trump financial records - POLITICO


“...it is not the court’s role to decipher whether Congress’s true purpose in pursuing an investigation is to aid legislation or something more sinister such as exacting political retribution,” Mehta wrote.​


The operative is: "It is not the court's role to decipher...."


Maybe not Mazar's court, but another court could.
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I don't understand people like you. What's the big deal here? He's president. He shouldn't have financial secrets. Why are you supporting his right to conceal the truth from the American people? It makes no sense.

He's not some ordinary citizen. Don't we have a right to know about financial involvements our leaders have that may be conflicts of interest?
 
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