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Is Biden Making "Getting Trump Out" the Main Topic of his Campaign the Right Thing to do?

Luckyone

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Biden has made his main goal to get rid of the malady that is infecting this nation, which is Trump. His campaign has not yet keyed on Health Insurance, it has not yet keyed on income inequality, it has not yet keyed on wage inequality, it has not yet keyed on immigration policy, and it has not yet keyed on social programs. His key so far was "get rid of Trump so that we can get back to normal and then tackle these problems as a nation and not as a party".



Sanders platform for 2020:

Sanders has supported policies such as Medicare for all, breaking up big banks, a $15 per hour minimum wage and free public college, all of which have gained more traction in the Democratic Party in recent years.
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Warren platform for 2020:

This is the fight of our lives. The fight to build an America that works for everyone, not just the wealthy and the well-connected. It won’t be easy. But united by our values, we can make big, structural change. We can raise our voices together until this fight is won.
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Harris platform for 2020:

Kamala Harris has spent her entire life defending our American values. From fighting to fix our broken criminal justice system to taking on the Wall Street Banks for middle-class homeowners, Kamala has always worked For The People.
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Buttigieg platform for 2020:

Buttigieg considers climate change a national security threat and a “longterm” problem that will especially impact younger Americans and future generations. He supports every U.S. house becoming “net zero” consumer of energy, and is in favor of the government subsidizing solar panels. Buttigieg was one of 407 U.S. mayors who signed a pact to adhere to the Paris climate accord after President Donald Trump pulled out of the international agreement 2017. He also supports the “Green New Deal” proposals on climate and energy being floated by progressive House Democrats.
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Do you believe Biden's main platform of getting rid of Trump first and foremost before anything else can be addressed will be the winning formula?

I do! Health cannot occur until you get rid of the Cancer.
 
Re: Is Biden Making "Getting Trump Out" the Main Topic of his Campaign the Right Thing to do?

Luckyone said:
Biden has made his main goal to get rid of the malady that is infecting this nation, which is Trump. His campaign has not yet keyed on Health Insurance, it has not yet keyed on income inequality, it has not yet keyed on wage inequality, it has not yet keyed on immigration policy, and it has not yet keyed on social programs. His key so far was "get rid of Trump so that we can get back to normal and then tackle these problems as a nation and not as a party".



Sanders platform for 2020:



Warren platform for 2020:



Harris platform for 2020:



Buttigieg platform for 2020:



Do you believe Biden's main platform of getting rid of Trump first and foremost before anything else can be addressed will be the winning formula?

I do!
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As least Joe’s senility, shields him from the memory of the disastrous Obama years.

Eventually, Jos is going to have to quit hiding behind the teleprompter. The real Joe is a dottering, senile old man.
 
Re: Is Biden Making "Getting Trump Out" the Main Topic of his Campaign the Right Thing to do?

I cannot get excited about any of the two-dozen, or so, Democratic candidates. Trump is an expert at reality tv. IMO, the US electorate has as short attention span.
 
Re: Is Biden Making "Getting Trump Out" the Main Topic of his Campaign the Right Thing to do?

Luckyone said:
Biden has made his main goal to get rid of the malady that is infecting this nation, which is Trump. His campaign has not yet keyed on Health Insurance, it has not yet keyed on income inequality, it has not yet keyed on wage inequality, it has not yet keyed on immigration policy, and it has not yet keyed on social programs. His key so far was "get rid of Trump so that we can get back to normal and then tackle these problems as a nation and not as a party".



Sanders platform for 2020:



Warren platform for 2020:



Harris platform for 2020:



Buttigieg platform for 2020:



Do you believe Biden's main platform of getting rid of Trump first and foremost before anything else can be addressed will be the winning formula?

I do!
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I don't know any candidate who hasn't made it perfectly clear that Trump is a cancer that needs to go, but by focusing on policy, other Democrats make it clear that Trump's policies are real things that extend beyond his offensive personality and criminality, and that his policies his are going to hurt voters.

Bill Maher made a poignant statement: "Biden is like that comfortable old pair of shoes, and our feet are hurting." Biden is playing to a sentimental nostalgia, and he's doing it well. Is it enough to maintain his rock solid lead? Honestly, I kind of doubt it, but we'll see.
 
Re: Is Biden Making "Getting Trump Out" the Main Topic of his Campaign the Right Thing to do?

chuckiechan said:
As least Joe’s senility, shields him from the memory of the disastrous Obama years.

Eventually, Jos is going to have to quit hiding behind the teleprompter. They real Joe is a dottering, senile old man.
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Great use of the pulpit for giving your personal opinion but it did not answer the OP question. Can you read and understand or do I have to spell it out for you?

B I D E N S T R A T E G Y C O R R E C T?

Understand now?
 
Re: Is Biden Making "Getting Trump Out" the Main Topic of his Campaign the Right Thing to do?

chuckiechan said:
As least Joe’s senility, shields him from the memory of the disastrous Obama years.

Eventually, Jos is going to have to quit hiding behind the teleprompter. The real Joe is a dottering, senile old man.
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Probably not as dottering as Trump. He sure knows a whole lot more than Trump about government and world politics.
 
Re: Is Biden Making "Getting Trump Out" the Main Topic of his Campaign the Right Thing to do?

No. Politicians should run on the positive merits of their platform, but no one ever does so anymore.
 
Re: Is Biden Making "Getting Trump Out" the Main Topic of his Campaign the Right Thing to do?

Luckyone said:
Biden has made his main goal to get rid of the malady that is infecting this nation, which is Trump. His campaign has not yet keyed on Health Insurance, it has not yet keyed on income inequality, it has not yet keyed on wage inequality, it has not yet keyed on immigration policy, and it has not yet keyed on social programs. His key so far was "get rid of Trump so that we can get back to normal and then tackle these problems as a nation and not as a party".



Sanders platform for 2020:



Warren platform for 2020:



Harris platform for 2020:



Buttigieg platform for 2020:



Do you believe Biden's main platform of getting rid of Trump first and foremost before anything else can be addressed will be the winning formula?

I do! Health cannot occur until you get rid of the Cancer.
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Nope, you are unlikely to win a debate by not having issue positions other than deflecting to how "unTrumpian" you promise to be. One the other hand, if you are the only non-Social Democrat running then you get all of the non-Social Democrat vote and the rest can fight among themselves over who can promise the most growth in federal government power and expense.
 
Re: Is Biden Making "Getting Trump Out" the Main Topic of his Campaign the Right Thing to do?

my top issue is win. i'm not sure which candidate will end up having the best chance of doing that at this point. and yes, i've seen the polls, but those are fluid.
 
Re: Is Biden Making "Getting Trump Out" the Main Topic of his Campaign the Right Thing to do?

Luckyone said:
Biden has made his main goal to get rid of the malady that is infecting this nation, which is Trump. His campaign has not yet keyed on Health Insurance, it has not yet keyed on income inequality, it has not yet keyed on wage inequality, it has not yet keyed on immigration policy, and it has not yet keyed on social programs. His key so far was "get rid of Trump so that we can get back to normal and then tackle these problems as a nation and not as a party".



Sanders platform for 2020:



Warren platform for 2020:



Harris platform for 2020:



Buttigieg platform for 2020:



Do you believe Biden's main platform of getting rid of Trump first and foremost before anything else can be addressed will be the winning formula?

I do! Health cannot occur until you get rid of the Cancer.
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I think it's his best shot at winning the primary. He can pivot in the general pending on what happens.
 
Re: Is Biden Making "Getting Trump Out" the Main Topic of his Campaign the Right Thing to do?

Carleen said:
Probably not as dottering as Trump. He sure knows a whole lot more than Trump about government and world politics.
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Joe won't get the nomination. Dem's have a tendency to pick a relatively unknown candidate, and groom them into winners. Bill Clinton, Obama, Carter, all were relatively obscure nationally, and none had a real track record of votes to hide from. Biden, by doing his job through the years has taken many positions, and the political process will punish him for that. If anything, the system favors state level leaders and punishes national leaders who leave "tracks".

Then we have the "Kavenaugh" process that is going to go very hard on Biden. If Biden runs, he is the Bob Dole of your time. A man that deserves the respect of a second footnote in history. But as I have said before they need to find their well vetted, squeaky clean 2024 guy with no national electoral history, and assuming he loses, run him front and center, rallies day and night to 2024.

So I'd give mayor Pete higher odds than Biden. The worst you can say about Pete is the trash didn't always get picked up on time.
 
Re: Is Biden Making "Getting Trump Out" the Main Topic of his Campaign the Right Thing to do?

ttwtt78640 said:
Nope, you are unlikely to win a debate by not having issue positions other than deflecting to how "unTrumpian" you promise to be. One the other hand, if you are the only non-Social Democrat running then you get all of the non-Social Democrat vote and the rest can fight among themselves over who can promise the most growth in federal government power and expense.
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Then again, Trump is a brand "name" and his followers follow and believe anything he says no matter what it is, meaning that issues are not presently the reason why his base is behind him. They simply believe in "HIM". As such, fighting him with issues is likely to be useless. You have to fight him as an "evil person" that needs to be ousted if you have any hope to win.

He certainly did not fight Hillary on issues, he fought her as being "crooked Hillary" and he won. I think the same approach can be used against him.
 
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chuckiechan said:
Joe won't get the nomination. Dem's have a tendency to pick a relatively unknown candidate, and groom them into winners. Bill Clinton, Obama, Carter, all were relatively obscure nationally, and none had a real track record of votes to hide from. Biden, by doing his job through the years has taken many positions, and the political process will punish him for that. If anything, the system favors state level leaders and punishes national leaders who leave "tracks".

Then we have the "Kavenaugh" process that is going to go very hard on Biden. If Biden runs, he is the Bob Dole of your time. A man that deserves the respect of a second footnote in history. But as I have said before they need to find their well vetted, squeaky clean 2024 guy with no national electoral history, and assuming he loses, run him front and center, rallies day and night to 2024.

So I'd give mayor Pete higher odds than Biden. The worst you can say about Pete is the trash didn't always get picked up on time.
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I normally would agree with you but these are not normal times.

The country is split between Trump and anti-Trumpers and that is going to be the main issue. On top of that, polls show (and will continue to show) that Biden is more the favorite to beat Trump than any of the others and I don't believe that will change unless one of them suddenly does something that becomes extremely popular and that is not likely to happen.

I believe Biden will be the nominee this time around though in other years I would totally agree with you.
 
Re: Is Biden Making "Getting Trump Out" the Main Topic of his Campaign the Right Thing to do?

KevinKohler said:
No. Politicians should run on the positive merits of their platform, but no one ever does so anymore.
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berniesanders.com
 
Re: Is Biden Making "Getting Trump Out" the Main Topic of his Campaign the Right Thing to do?

I don't think it's the 'right' thing to do, I think it's the political thing to do because polls show Democratic voters care a lot about beating trump - but I also think Bernie has a better argument about beating trump than Biden. And I think we need to pick someone with a lot better policies than Biden, preferably Bernie.
 
Re: Is Biden Making "Getting Trump Out" the Main Topic of his Campaign the Right Thing to do?

Luckyone said:
Then again, Trump is a brand "name" and his followers follow and believe anything he says no matter what it is, meaning that issues are not presently the reason why his base is behind him. They simply believe in "HIM". As such, fighting him with issues is likely to be useless. You have to fight him as an "evil person" that needs to be ousted if you have any hope to win.

He certainly did not fight Hillary on issues, he fought her as being "crooked Hillary" and he won. I think the same approach can be used against him.
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IMHO, Hillary was offering "debt free" college, her political "experience", "historic value" to become the first woman POTUS and saying that there was no illegal immigration problem but made the critical mistake of transferring her extreme dislike for Trump onto Trump supporters calling (half of?) them a "basket of deplorables". If Biden intends to win by bashing Trump and his 'immoral' supporters then he may find out that doing the same thing, yet anticipating a different result, is not a great idea.
 
Re: Is Biden Making "Getting Trump Out" the Main Topic of his Campaign the Right Thing to do?

Luckyone said:
Biden has made his main goal to get rid of the malady that is infecting this nation, which is Trump. His campaign has not yet keyed on Health Insurance, it has not yet keyed on income inequality, it has not yet keyed on wage inequality, it has not yet keyed on immigration policy, and it has not yet keyed on social programs. His key so far was "get rid of Trump so that we can get back to normal and then tackle these problems as a nation and not as a party".



Sanders platform for 2020:



Warren platform for 2020:



Harris platform for 2020:



Buttigieg platform for 2020:



Do you believe Biden's main platform of getting rid of Trump first and foremost before anything else can be addressed will be the winning formula?

I do! Health cannot occur until you get rid of the Cancer.
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Democrats see Trump as a real threat due to his disrespect for the democrat agenda and the huge popular support he still gets from so many millions of Americans.
 
Re: Is Biden Making "Getting Trump Out" the Main Topic of his Campaign the Right Thing to do?

Biden: "get rid of Trump so that we can get back to normal and then tackle these problems as a nation and not as a party".

The great unifier! :lol:

 
Re: Is Biden Making "Getting Trump Out" the Main Topic of his Campaign the Right Thing to do?

Luckyone said:
Biden has made his main goal to get rid of the malady that is infecting this nation, which is Trump. His campaign has not yet keyed on Health Insurance, it has not yet keyed on income inequality, it has not yet keyed on wage inequality, it has not yet keyed on immigration policy, and it has not yet keyed on social programs. His key so far was "get rid of Trump so that we can get back to normal and then tackle these problems as a nation and not as a party".



Sanders platform for 2020:



Warren platform for 2020:



Harris platform for 2020:



Buttigieg platform for 2020:



Do you believe Biden's main platform of getting rid of Trump first and foremost before anything else can be addressed will be the winning formula?

I do! Health cannot occur until you get rid of the Cancer.
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Whereas, I do agree there are many issues he could be discussing, the biggest threat facing our nation today is Donald J. Trump.

That being said, I think that the majority of America has already realized that and Joe is just preaching to the choir.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
IMHO, Hillary was offering "debt free" college, her political "experience", "historic value" to become the first woman POTUS and saying that there was no illegal immigration problem but made the critical mistake of transferring her extreme dislike for Trump onto Trump supporters calling (half of?) them a "basket of deplorables". If Biden intends to win by bashing Trump and his 'immoral' supporters then he may find out that doing the same thing, yet anticipating a different result, is not a great idea.
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But the difference is that Hillary was disliked. Biden is liked.
 
Re: Is Biden Making "Getting Trump Out" the Main Topic of his Campaign the Right Thing to do?

Captain America said:
Whereas, I do agree there are many issues he could be discussing, the biggest threat facing our nation today is Donald J. Trump.

That being said, I think that the majority of America has already realized that and Joe is just preaching to the choir.
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Yes, but the Democratic choir is bigger than the Trump choir, if we are to pit choir vs choir.
 
Re: Is Biden Making "Getting Trump Out" the Main Topic of his Campaign the Right Thing to do?

JC Callender said:
Biden: "get rid of Trump so that we can get back to normal and then tackle these problems as a nation and not as a party".

The great unifier! :lol:

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Yup, that he is, kisses, hugs and all.
 
Re: Is Biden Making "Getting Trump Out" the Main Topic of his Campaign the Right Thing to do?

Luckyone said:
Yes, but the Democratic choir is bigger than the Trump choir, if we are to pit choir vs choir.
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It is true that democrats outnumber republicans, however, the real deciding vote comes from the independents. And even then, the EC can over ride the will of the voting population and make a winner out of the loser. (I've seen that happen twice in the last couple of decades. Seems to be the only way the GOP can win these days.)
 
Re: Is Biden Making "Getting Trump Out" the Main Topic of his Campaign the Right Thing to do?

KevinKohler said:
No. Politicians should run on the positive merits of their platform, but no one ever does so anymore.
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Yes, Joe Biden is a threat because of the majority of Democrats are running on an unpopular and failed policy of Medicare and healthcare for all. That is a losing platform. Joe Biden hasn't adopted the cooky policy (yet) so he looks much more rational than the other contenders.

At the end of the day, however, Joe Biden will be a victim of the Trump dynasty. Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and many of the political pundits in 2016 were DEAD WRONG. You do not come back the same after being so wrong. All credibility with the Democrats needs to be questioned.
 
Re: Is Biden Making "Getting Trump Out" the Main Topic of his Campaign the Right Thing to do?

Luckyone said:
But the difference is that Hillary was disliked. Biden is liked.
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Biden will not become likable by calling those who voted for Trump in 2016 immoral.
 
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