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Biden vs. Sanders - Biden way ahead in Pennsylvania

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LOL, I love it. Sanders' followers pretend that he is the choice of Americans. Guess what? In the key state of Pennsylvania, registered Democrats prefer Biden by 39%, while only 13% prefer Sanders (Harris 8%, Warren 8%, Buttigieg 6%, Booker 5%, the others 1% or less). 39% to 13%, LOL. Sanders is a loser, like I've been saying. He won't win the Dem primary, again. So, now what? Will his followers whine that it's the doing of the DNC, again? They are in denial that Dem primary voters did not want Sanders in 2016, and they won't want Sanders in 2020 either.

In a scenario Biden vs. Trump compared to Sanders vs. Trump, both beat Trump in Pennsylvania, but Biden does it by 11% while Sanders does it by 7%. Among independents, Biden leads Trump by an even bigger margin, 14%.

When asked which candidate people think is most likely to beat Trump, 61% picked Biden.

Come again? The people want Sanders? Nope. The people want Biden.

Biden ahead of Trump by double digits in key state of Pennsylvania, poll finds (and don't dismiss it because it's Yahoo; they merely reproduced the USA Today article).
 
LOL, I love it. Sanders' followers pretend that he is the choice of Americans. Guess what? In the key state of Pennsylvania, registered Democrats prefer Biden by 39%, while only 13% prefer Sanders (Harris 8%, Warren 8%, Buttigieg 6%, Booker 5%, the others 1% or less). 39% to 13%, LOL. Sanders is a loser, like I've been saying. He won't win the Dem primary, again. So, now what? Will his followers whine that it's the doing of the DNC, again? They are in denial that Dem primary voters did not want Sanders in 2016, and they won't want Sanders in 2020 either.

In a scenario Biden vs. Trump compared to Sanders vs. Trump, both beat Trump in Pennsylvania, but Biden does it by 11% while Sanders does it by 7%. Among independents, Biden leads Trump by an even bigger margin, 14%.

When asked which candidate people think is most likely to beat Trump, 61% picked Biden.

Come again? The people want Sanders? Nope. The people want Biden.

Biden ahead of Trump by double digits in key state of Pennsylvania, poll finds (and don't dismiss it because it's Yahoo; they merely reproduced the USA Today article).

Biden is coasting off of Obama's coattails. As soon as the people examine his lengthy and problematic record, his numbers will go down. Especially if he listens to his idiotic Democratic consultants, who don't have a clue on where the country is. If Biden runs a Clinton campaign, thinking we got this in the bag because they're all scary socialists on one side and scary fascists on the other, he's going to go down.
 
Biden is coasting off of Obama's coattails. As soon as the people examine his lengthy and problematic record, his numbers will go down. Especially if he listens to his idiotic Democratic consultants, who don't have a clue on where the country is. If Biden runs a Clinton campaign, thinking we got this in the bag because they're all scary socialists on one side and scary fascists on the other, he's going to go down.

As soon as people examine Sanders' lengthy and problematic record (statements such as when a 14-year-old girl is gang-raped "it somehow appeals to all men", when a woman makes love to her husband "she is secretly fantasizing about three men raping her," support for communist Guatemalans chanting "Death to Yankees", wife's embezzlement, etc.), his numbers will go *further* down. He got lucky in 2016 because nobody attacked him (Trump wanted him to hang on, since he was weakening Hillary, and Hillary didn't dare attacking him too much because she'd need his followers). This time it will be different.
 
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As soon as people examine Sanders' lengthy and problematic record (statements such as when a 14-year-old girl is gang-raped "it somehow appeals to all men", when a woman makes love to her husband "she is secretly fantasizing about three men raping her," support for communist Guatemalans chanting "Death to Yankees", wife's embezzlement, etc.), his numbers will go *further* down. He got lucky in 2016 because nobody attacked him (Trump wanted him to hang on, since he was weakening Hillary, and Hillary didn't dare attacking him too much because she'd need his followers). This time it will be different.

All those weird writings from the 1970's came out in 2016.

On policy, Sanders has consistently chosen the right policy and voted the right way, when Joe Biden has consistently been wrong and voted the wrong way.
 
As soon as people examine Sanders' lengthy and problematic record (statements such as when a 14-year-old girl is gang-raped "it somehow appeals to all men", when a woman makes love to her husband "she is secretly fantasizing about three men raping her," support for communist Guatemalans chanting "Death to Yankees", wife's embezzlement, etc.), his numbers will go *further* down.
I think both have the capacity to appear as creepy old men, but Sanders has the problem of sounding like an idealist with no practical applications for his theories.

OTOH, Biden is indeed riding largely on Obama's coattails, but I have to say, I think he can do that all the way to the presidency. People know what it's like to live under power with Biden in the cockpit, and they remember it as a less chaotic and more normal time, that they wish to return to after everything Trump has been in office.

However, there is a possibility that a more aggressive political message of fighting hard from a Harris or Swalwell, could capture the attitude of the base of the Democratic party, and take down the bigger names like Biden, Warren, and Sanders, just as Trump did to the big name Republicans with his message of fighting dirty.
 
LOL, I love it. Sanders' followers pretend that he is the choice of Americans. Guess what? In the key state of Pennsylvania, registered Democrats prefer Biden by 39%, while only 13% prefer Sanders (Harris 8%, Warren 8%, Buttigieg 6%, Booker 5%, the others 1% or less). 39% to 13%, LOL. Sanders is a loser, like I've been saying. He won't win the Dem primary, again. So, now what? Will his followers whine that it's the doing of the DNC, again? They are in denial that Dem primary voters did not want Sanders in 2016, and they won't want Sanders in 2020 either.

In a scenario Biden vs. Trump compared to Sanders vs. Trump, both beat Trump in Pennsylvania, but Biden does it by 11% while Sanders does it by 7%. Among independents, Biden leads Trump by an even bigger margin, 14%.

When asked which candidate people think is most likely to beat Trump, 61% picked Biden.

Come again? The people want Sanders? Nope. The people want Biden.

Biden ahead of Trump by double digits in key state of Pennsylvania, poll finds (and don't dismiss it because it's Yahoo; they merely reproduced the USA Today article).

It's way too early to put much stock in polls. Although in theory Biden should be more attractive to the independent voter while Sanders should be more attractive to Democrats during their primaries. Personally, I don't think the Democratic Party should go with either one. If I were a Democrat I'd be looking for a fresh young face. If that fresh young face is from flyover country, so much the better. I'd be leery about an old politician or any politician from the northeast in general.

Look at the Democrats success over the recent years, Obama, young fresh face from Illinois. Bill Clinton young fresh face from Arkansas, Jimmy Carter, young fresh face from Georgia. Those were winners. Losers, tired old face from New York, Hillary Clinton. Tried faces from Massachusetts, Kerry and Dukakis. Sure, Al Gore lost, Tennessee, but he wasn't a fresh face either. Long time senator and Vice President. Mondale, former senator and VP, Minnesota also lost. But no one was going to beat Reagan in 1984. not even FDR.

Who would be that young fresh face hopefully from flyover country, that is for the Democrats to figure out.
 
All those weird writings from the 1970's came out in 2016.

On policy, Sanders has consistently chosen the right policy and voted the right way, when Joe Biden has consistently been wrong and voted the wrong way.

They did come out which is why I know of them, but not in systematic attack ads, which would inevitably happen if Bernie were to win the Dem nomination and face Trump. The conservative PACs would fall on him like a pack of rabid dogs.

Hey, Sanders has voted against gun control (then, flip-flopped). He has also voted against harsh punishments for pedophiles.
 
It's way too early to put much stock in polls. Although in theory Biden should be more attractive to the independent voter while Sanders should be more attractive to Democrats during their primaries. Personally, I don't think the Democratic Party should go with either one. If I were a Democrat I'd be looking for a fresh young face. If that fresh young face is from flyover country, so much the better. I'd be leery about an old politician or any politician from the northeast in general.

Look at the Democrats success over the recent years, Obama, young fresh face from Illinois. Bill Clinton young fresh face from Arkansas, Jimmy Carter, young fresh face from Georgia. Those were winners. Losers, tired old face from New York, Hillary Clinton. Tried faces from Massachusetts, Kerry and Dukakis. Sure, Al Gore lost, Tennessee, but he wasn't a fresh face either. Long time senator and Vice President. Mondale, former senator and VP, Minnesota also lost. But no one was going to beat Reagan in 1984. not even FDR.

Who would be that young fresh face hopefully from flyover country, that is for the Democrats to figure out.

Very good points, except that I profoundly doubt that Sanders will be more appealing to registered Democrats in the primaries. Remember, he managed to lose even to Clinton, and in early polls, among registered Democrats he is getting only 13% of support. No, contrary to Sanders' rabid supporters, he is NOT appealing to the average Dem primary voter. He will lose the primaries again; mark my words. Then they'll whine about the DNC, again. But it's not the DNC. It's simply because the average Dem registered voter who attends the primaries is a bit more centrist than Sanders' base, which is made of youngsters, who are notoriously less reliable in terms of showing up to vote.

I'd bet my house that Sanders will lose the Dem primaries again.
 
Biden is coasting off of Obama's coattails. As soon as the people examine his lengthy and problematic record, his numbers will go down. Especially if he listens to his idiotic Democratic consultants, who don't have a clue on where the country is. If Biden runs a Clinton campaign, thinking we got this in the bag because they're all scary socialists on one side and scary fascists on the other, he's going to go down.

Between Biden's creeping dementia and his helping his shady son make off with millions in Ukraine, he's guaranteed to lose to Trump. In the end, the Dems will find a way to throw him under the bus, I think. If not, there will be four years of finger pointing and intra-party warfare.
 
They did come out which is why I know of them, but not in systematic attack ads, which would inevitably happen if Bernie were to win the Dem nomination and face Trump. The conservative PACs would fall on him like a pack of rabid dogs.

Hey, Sanders has voted against gun control (then, flip-flopped). He has also voted against harsh punishments for pedophiles.

But Bernie policy is consistent with popular opinion. His policy platform is in the mainstream of American wants and needs.

So, it's my estimation that these particular smears would be ineffective. They would be dismissed as badly motivated smears from a badly motivated party who supports a serial philanderer and accused rapist.

As for the gun smears, Bernie isn't soft on guns. Just look at his D- rating from the NRA.

I actually think conservative smears on Bernie actually help him since conservatives are so out of touch with where the majority of the country is. They would smear him with silly things that actually solidify his support.

Biden however is vulnerable because he embodies the establishment and it's bad track record


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If only there was an option other than these two geezers. Oh wait, there's a bunch!
 
The best smear against Bernie I've seen so far is the Boston Mararthon Bomber one.

It was ingenious. How do you take down a guy whose policy is in the mainstream of American left wing energy? Get him to talk about the areas where he's actually out of the mainstream: i.e. Voting rights for criminals.


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But Bernie policy is consistent with popular opinion. His policy platform is in the mainstream of American wants and needs.

So, it's my estimation that these particular smears would be ineffective. They would be dismissed as badly motivated smears from a badly motivated party who supports a serial philanderer and accused rapist.

As for the gun smears, Bernie isn't soft on guns. Just look at his D- rating from the NRA.

I actually think conservative smears on Bernie actually help him since conservatives are so out of touch with where the majority of the country is. They would smear him with silly things that actually solidify his support.

Biden however is vulnerable because he embodies the establishment and it's bad track record


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Well, if it's like this, why are all the early polls showing Sanders badly behind? Remember, this time, the progressive vote in the primaries won't be just Bernie's, but will be divided among others (Warren, Harris, etc.). Biden on the other hand is likely to gobble up most of the moderate voters.

Don't underestimate Conservative smears. Hillary lost the election (among other blunders, but did most closely lose it on this, since before it, she was ahead, then took a nose dive) on the Comey letter stating, 11 days before the election, that her emails were found in a convicted pedophile's laptop. The sheer association (something Hillary had nothing to do with; likely a blunder by her assistant, the spouse of said pedophile) disgusted many people. Now, Sanders has HIMSELF made some quite pedophile-like statements... which haven't been systematic exploited by attack ads. Trump is a specialist is smearing people and he shouldn't be underestimated in his ability to do so. I do think that if Sanders wins the nomination, we'll see him depicted as a pedophile. I'm fully aware that it's unfair, untrue, and hypocritical since Trump has supported a pedophile in GOP state primaries and has boasted about entering teenage girls' locker rooms when they were in a state of undress. But since when did fairness, truth, and refraining from hypocrisy, stop Trump??? His base doesn't care about what he does; the Dem base, however, does care about what their candidates do, as shown in Al Franken's case.

You say that Biden embodies the establishment. Well, Biden is the least wealthy US Senator/former senator, did you know that? And people associate Biden with the Obama administration, and they miss Obama, who ended his two terms with very high approval ratings.

No, I think Biden not only has better chances at winning the Dem nomination, but also better chances at beating Trump.

People keep applying data from 2016 to 2020. These are apples and oranges. In 2016 an expressive chunk of both sides got tired of the establishment and wanted alternative candidates. It may very well be the case (as shown by Biden leading Sanders among primary Dem voters in Penn by an astounding 38% to 13%) that this time, people will be tired of extremism (with all the turmoil the nation has been suffering), and longing for the rice-and-beans middle-of-the-road dignified president like Obama was.

Look, Nancy Pelosi is no fool. That woman is *extremely* experienced and politically savvy. She's been trying to curtail the youthful enthusiasm of green people like AOC with the latter's pretty extreme proposals. I believe that Nancy is feeling that the winds are blowing on the sails of moderates, this time (which is why she is also not pushing the impeachment agenda forward).

I think America is tired and frightened after a few years of erratic Trump, and want a sort of calm leadership that won't make too many waves. That's Biden. That's not Sanders.
 
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If only there was an option other than these two geezers. Oh wait, there's a bunch!

None of the others will achieve significant national numbers. See the pool I linked too: the maximum achieved by anyone else is 8%, and many didn't even break the 1%. The Dem nomination will be between Biden and Sanders, period. The others will be also-ran. You said it right, a bunch. They are too many, and they will dilute each other and cannibalize each other. At the end, there will be just two men standing: Biden and Sanders. Mark my words.
 
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The best smear against Bernie I've seen so far is the Boston Mararthon Bomber one.

It was ingenious. How do you take down a guy whose policy is in the mainstream of American left wing energy? Get him to talk about the areas where he's actually out of the mainstream: i.e. Voting rights for criminals.


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There is also that.

I personally think that Bernie is a loser. He managed to lose even to Clinton, one of the most disliked politicians in the history of the United States.

He made a huge unforced error in his advocacy for voting rights for criminals, including a terrorist.

He will make other unforced errors.

Trump on the other hand doesn't make unforced errors, or when he appears to make one, it's something his followers easily forgive.

Sure, Biden is gaffe-prone. But his gaffes are sort of benign. People often laugh about them, and give him a pass.
 
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But Bernie policy is consistent with popular opinion. His policy platform is in the mainstream of American wants and needs.

Another factor is that Bernie's ideas are expensive. They would require tax increases to have a remote chance of being implemented. Americans have a way of supporting some ideas when polled about them, but then, when they go to the secret ballot box, they think, "oh wait, will I have to personally pay higher taxes in order to have these ideas implemented? Hm... I don't think I'll vote for this guy, after all."

There was a famous poll (no, I don't have the link now) asking people if they were for universal healthcare. Most people said yes, that would be neat. Then the pollster asked, would you still be for it if it doubled your annual tax bill? Then people said, huh, in this case, no.
 
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LOL, I love it. Sanders' followers pretend that he is the choice of Americans. Guess what? In the key state of Pennsylvania, registered Democrats prefer Biden by 39%, while only 13% prefer Sanders (Harris 8%, Warren 8%, Buttigieg 6%, Booker 5%, the others 1% or less). 39% to 13%, LOL. Sanders is a loser, like I've been saying. He won't win the Dem primary, again. So, now what? Will his followers whine that it's the doing of the DNC, again? They are in denial that Dem primary voters did not want Sanders in 2016, and they won't want Sanders in 2020 either.

In a scenario Biden vs. Trump compared to Sanders vs. Trump, both beat Trump in Pennsylvania, but Biden does it by 11% while Sanders does it by 7%. Among independents, Biden leads Trump by an even bigger margin, 14%.

When asked which candidate people think is most likely to beat Trump, 61% picked Biden.

Come again? The people want Sanders? Nope. The people want Biden.

Biden ahead of Trump by double digits in key state of Pennsylvania, poll finds (and don't dismiss it because it's Yahoo; they merely reproduced the USA Today article).



I have been saying for awhile that Biden can beat Trump in the rust belt states. Especially the Penn.
 
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Between Biden's creeping dementia and his helping his shady son make off with millions in Ukraine, he's guaranteed to lose to Trump. In the end, the Dems will find a way to throw him under the bus, I think. If not, there will be four years of finger pointing and intra-party warfare.

Trump also shows signs of cognitive impairment, lack of attention span, and lack of emotional control; and it's laughable to talk about shady deals when you are facing the ultimate con-man Donald Trump and all his shady deals in America and in Moscow (Trump University, Trump Tower in Moscow, and many other questionable deals).

So I somehow don't see Biden's boo-boos in these arias to be a deal-breaker, given whom he will be facing.
 
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39% to 13% is a huge, 3-to-1 advantage!

No, I don't think that Dem primary voters, which are made of registered Dems and in certain states independents, the two groups that this poll showed to be most for Biden over Sanders, will deliver the nomination to Sanders.

Not to forget what I've been saying, Warren and Harris will take votes from Sanders, but won't take votes from Biden, for the most part.

Finally, Sanders' supporters are the youngest bunch. These are not reliable voters; they tend to skip election day. We've seen Sanders having huge rallies with lots of youthful enthusiasm, in states that ultimately were carried by Hillary. You can always subtract from Sanders' numbers, the chunk of youngsters who respond to polls (especially online ones) expressing an intent of voting for him, but then, they don't show up to actually vote.
 
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Bernie isn't going to get the black vote in the south as Biden would in the primary


Just like Clinton did.
 
I have been saying for awhile that Biden can beat Trump in the rust belt states. Especially the Penn.

Yes, he can. The Rust Belt states remember Obama fondly. Biden will ride that wave. That's where Hillary lost the election. It won't be the same case for Biden, who won't fail to campaign there, like stupid Hillary did (and unlike her much savvier husband told her to do).
 
Bernie isn't going to get the black vote in the south as Biden would in the primary


Just like Clinton did.

Blacks, women, and older voters are overwhelmingly more for Biden than for Sanders. You can't win the Dem primaries without these segments (which is one of the multiple reasons why Sanders lost to Hillary, unlike what his followers think, that it was all the doing of the DNC).

Sanders appeals to younger voters (the most unreliable segment) and has no connection whatsoever with blacks. He is seen as an aloof Jew by black Christians. Biden will kill him in Southern states.
 
Yes, he can. The Rust Belt states remember Obama fondly. Biden will ride that wave. That's where Hillary lost the election. It won't be the same case for Biden, who won't fail to campaign there, like stupid Hillary did (and unlike her much savvier husband told her to do).

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It won't be the same case for Biden, who won't fail to campaign there, like stupid Hillary did


On this, it didn't matter if Hillary campaigned there or not. Wherever she went, she had no crowds

Trump just duped enough independents/dems in those Rust belt states. Remember, he wasn't a conservative
 
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