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Republican President, Time for War

Got to shore up that sagging presidency by any means necessary.
 
I wondered how long it would take Bolton to talk Trump into going the Neocon way. They never learn...
 
Mycroft said:
Do you contend it would be better if Trump and ExxonMobil not take precautions, given the actions and rhetoric from Iran?
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lol @ "actions and rhetoric from Iran"

Do you actually believe that?
 
I've predicted for this entire presidency that it is likely that leading up to the 2020 election there will be a war/military conflict started to boost trump's approval. Even moreso when we saw him lose the popular vote by millions and have low ratings, just as Bush - who admitted the same agenda to have a war to boost his ratings for more 'political capital' for his plutocracy agenda - was even more likely when he lost the popular vote and had low ratings.
 
What we have here is the equivalent of the corrupt sheriff who throws a gun at the feet of a prisoner, and aiming his gun at the prisoner, orders him to reach for the gun, and shoots him when he does, and says it was justified because he was reaching for a gun.

But since the corrupt sheriff is trump and the prisoner is Iran, Republicans cheer the corrupt sheriff and the murder to come.
 
Craig234 said:
I've predicted for this entire presidency that it is likely that leading up to the 2020 election there will be a war/military conflict started to boost trump's approval. Even moreso when we saw him lose the popular vote by millions and have low ratings, just as Bush - who admitted the same agenda to have a war to boost his ratings for more 'political capital' for his plutocracy agenda - was even more likely when he lost the popular vote and had low ratings.
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I don't think most people in the country will bite on that bait again after Bush. Should trump try military anything in a foreign land I personally think it will only hurt him.
 
bongsaway said:
I don't think most people in the country will bite on that bait again after Bush. Should trump try military anything in a foreign land I personally think it will only hurt him.
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It could have a dramatic effect on media coverage. Remember, back in 2003, anyone opposed to to the Iraq debacle was suddenly thrown off the air.
 
Craig234 said:
I've predicted for this entire presidency that it is likely that leading up to the 2020 election there will be a war/military conflict started to boost trump's approval. Even moreso when we saw him lose the popular vote by millions and have low ratings, just as Bush - who admitted the same agenda to have a war to boost his ratings for more 'political capital' for his plutocracy agenda - was even more likely when he lost the popular vote and had low ratings.
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I'd say it's likely that Don will be coming up with some reason to provoke an incident. Given that he's immature, unstable and unhinged, if he does, who knows where it goes from there.

Throughout history wars have brought a nations citizens together, resulting in a higher approval for the leader. But look at the first half of his term. He's shown absolutely no interest in uniting the country, only his base. Presidents don't hold partisan political rallies just after they win for a reason. So if he starts something with Iran, I can't believe the reason will be a higher approval rating, it'll be for a much darker reason...
 
calamity said:
It could have a dramatic effect on media coverage. Remember, back in 2003, anyone opposed to to the Iraq debacle was suddenly thrown off the air.
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And as we all now know their whole weapons of mass destruction threat was bull****. The republicans cowed the democrats into voting along with the crap or else the right painted you as a traitor for not supporting bush. Those days are gone. The dems thankfully voted into house control the most diverse class ever which includes many progressives. They won't go for the republicans antics they'll call them on their bs. I personally think the GOP and its base are in for a huge shock come 2020. Their ninety percent support of trump is not enough of the general population for trump to win again and he's turned off way to many of the I'll give him a chance voters. And with the current attack on women, that segment of the population alone might kill any chance of his reelection. One last thought, the right can kid themselves that they'll get thirty percent of the black vote. That won't happen, it's a pipe dream. I would also say pennsylvania won't go trump again.
 
bongsaway said:
I don't think most people in the country will bite on that bait again after Bush. Should trump try military anything in a foreign land I personally think it will only hurt him.
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That may be so but look at the mess it will cause in the mean time.
 
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calamity said:
Americans never learn

ExxonMobil evacuates 30 engineers from Iraq, Basra Oil Company says

It's pretty obvious that making America great again is not really on Trump's agenda.
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you're confusing Trump with Obama. Obama tried forcing individuals to purchase health insurance, he lied time and time again, responsible for the deaths in Benghazi, started a race war, a war against police officers, along with taking away states rights when it comes to gay marriages and attempted to turn our country into a land of sharia law....along with many many many unlawful crimes.
 
SmokethatGreen said:
you're confusing Trump with Obama. Obama tried forcing individuals to purchase health insurance, he lied time and time again, responsible for the deaths in Benghazi, started a race war, a war against police officers, along with taking away states rights when it comes to gay marriages and attempted to turn our country into a land of sharia law....along with many many many unlawful crimes.
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lol....yeah, requiring everyone to have health insurance is the same as starting war under false pretense. :roll:
 
calamity said:
Americans never learn

ExxonMobil evacuates 30 engineers from Iraq, Basra Oil Company says

It's pretty obvious that making America great again is not really on Trump's agenda.
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There was a rumor going around a year before Bush Jr.'s second presidential campaign that Cheney told Bush he needed a war to insure reelection. Soon after we had the War in Iraq, something we are still fighting today. Cheney according to the rumor told bush that the American people would not change presidents in the middle of a war. I wonder if Trump's adviser's are telling him the same thing.
 
The Iranian mullahs are really nice guys. They never do anything that results in innocent deaths, or try to sow the seeds of war and destruction in other countries. Right, guys? Only Trump does that, right guys?

Jesus, get an effing clue...:doh
 
Grandpappy said:
The Iranian mullahs are really nice guys. They never do anything that results in innocent deaths, or try to sow the seeds of war and destruction in other countries. Right, guys? Only Trump does that, right guys?

Jesus, get an effing clue...:doh
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I don't care what the Mullahs do. No American should die over it, and we sure as **** should not blow another few trillion dollars losing a third war.
 
calamity said:
I don't care what the Mullahs do. No American should die over it, and we sure as **** should not blow another few trillion dollars losing a third war.
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I agree. Since Trump sent the Aircraft Carrier and the B-52's over there, even they agree.
 
bongsaway said:
I don't think most people in the country will bite on that bait again after Bush. Should trump try military anything in a foreign land I personally think it will only hurt him.
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Ya, that's what they said for both Iraq wars also. There are powerful resources to change public opinion. You can go back a century to WWI when thousands of speech givers were sent around the country to change opinions about the war, and criticizing entering the war was made against the law, and it's gotten a lot more effective since those simple efforts. The US has never not gone to a war because of public opposition, though it was s pressured to end some.
 
Grandpappy said:
The Iranian mullahs are really nice guys. They never do anything that results in innocent deaths, or try to sow the seeds of war and destruction in other countries. Right, guys? Only Trump does that, right guys?

Jesus, get an effing clue...:doh
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Irony of the day award.

Another six year old level straw man as usual.
 
independentusa said:
There was a rumor going around a year before Bush Jr.'s second presidential campaign that Cheney told Bush he needed a war to insure reelection. Soon after we had the War in Iraq, something we are still fighting today. Cheney according to the rumor told bush that the American people would not change presidents in the middle of a war. I wonder if Trump's adviser's are telling him the same thing.
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There's a lor more to it than that. Bush saw his father's approval skyrocket in the first gulf war and other presidents in other wars. He said in 1999 that he wanted to be a war president for the political boost to pass his agenda. And it worked, the only times in his presidency his approval shot up were 9/11 and related to the Iraq war. trump has already made statements that he understands war gives that boost. We can expect him to do it.
 
SmokethatGreen said:
you're confusing Trump with Obama. Obama tried forcing individuals to purchase health insurance, he lied time and time again, responsible for the deaths in Benghazi, started a race war, a war against police officers, along with taking away states rights when it comes to gay marriages and attempted to turn our country into a land of sharia law....along with many many many unlawful crimes.
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These delusional lies. Nothing wrong with requiring health insurance, like paying taxes or buying car insurance if you drive, but everyone needs health insurance. Republicans were responsible for Benghazi, denying Obama's request for embassy security funding. No war against police officers, only against police officers committing violent crimes. Taking away states rights to take away people's rights. Lie about Sharia law. On and on delusional lies parroted.
 
SoCal said:
I'd say it's likely that Don will be coming up with some reason to provoke an incident. Given that he's immature, unstable and unhinged, if he does, who knows where it goes from there.

Throughout history wars have brought a nations citizens together, resulting in a higher approval for the leader. But look at the first half of his term. He's shown absolutely no interest in uniting the country, only his base. Presidents don't hold partisan political rallies just after they win for a reason. So if he starts something with Iran, I can't believe the reason will be a higher approval rating, it'll be for a much darker reason...
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I'm not saying it's the only reason - he's shown a willingness to support all the corrupt Republican corrupt agenda strongly - but it's more than enough of one, and in my opinion the leading reason and he's planned it all along, and appointed the literally worst people in the country in charge of foreign policy who have most wanted this war for decades.

He knows he needs this boost for re-election and it's the only obvious way to get it.
 
Craig234 said:
I'm not saying it's the only reason - he's shown a willingness to support all the corrupt Republican corrupt agenda strongly - but it's more than enough of one, and in my opinion the leading reason and he's planned it all along, and appointed the literally worst people in the country in charge of foreign policy who have most wanted this war for decades.

He knows he needs this boost for re-election and it's the only obvious way to get it.
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You're certainly right about the people he surrounds himself with. And it's possible he thinks it would give him a boost. But he's the first president who hasn't shown the least bit interested in the majority of Americans. So it's also possible that he'll be the first president not to gain support during a 'war', regardless if he starts it or not.

I can't imagine many of the people I know, who know what Don is and what motivates him, would give him any more support, quite the opposite...
 
Craig234 said:
Ya, that's what they said for both Iraq wars also. There are powerful resources to change public opinion. You can go back a century to WWI when thousands of speech givers were sent around the country to change opinions about the war, and criticizing entering the war was made against the law, and it's gotten a lot more effective since those simple efforts. The US has never not gone to a war because of public opposition, though it was s pressured to end some.
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That is not entirely accurate in my opinion. World war two was going on for two years before america entered and we wouldn't have entered then if not for the bombing of pearl harbor because public sentiment didn't want america in another foreign war.
 
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