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When do the ends justify the means in government and politics?

You have the naivete of a cult member. If, for the sake of argument, trump was absolutely in bed with Russian organized crime and Putin criminally, you would say what you said above. You oppose it even being investigated, apparently. You ignore warning signs like trump supporting evil - whether Putin's actions, Saudi Arabia murdering a US resident, the worst dictator in the world in North Korea, on and on, with trump hiding his communications with them. Dems have not done 'the same thing'.

I was extremely disappointed that Obama allowed Russia to invade Ukraine without a peep. I was alarmed that Obama sent more than a billion stolen cash dollars to the largest supporter of terrorism in the world. I was grieved that Obama helped overthrow manageable leaders in Egypt and Libya, and so forth.
 
Respect for the office is why people attack trump, who disgraces it. It's his supporters who lack respect for the office, condoning his wrongs and crimes. They want a corrupt king, not an honest president. There's no loyalty like the sucker who is conned defending the con man from those telling them they were conned.

Obama was a crook just like Richard Nixon but his supporters have been suckered into believing it is Trump who is the bad guy.
 
So, you are an enemy of the planet, an enemy of nature, an enemy of the human beings who will be harmed by a worsening environment.

You look at a million species going extinct because of man's excesses, you look at the science on the climate worsening because of man's excesses, you look at things like the destroyed mountains and oil spills and pollution, and you cheer it as what you want, to get that oil.

But at least you're honest about it, making it a difference of opinions between those who would like an environment that is less destroyed, with more biological diversity, harming people less, and you and the oil companies who want the opposite so they can profit more in the short term.

You might not understand that the above accurately describes your views - the propagandists are good at fooling people that way, for example claiming that the 'other side' wants to prevent human development in the extreme for trivial causes like protecting a few moths, to fool you, and you fall for it. So the above is accurate.

It makes your views rather insane and evil and inexplicable, but at least it's an honest difference of opinions.

Maybe Darwinists are onto something. It seems men who think they are apes do not like human progress and long for a return to the days of dwelling in caves and hunting and gathering fruits and nuts to go with the fruits and nuts they commune with.
 
Wow and I do mean WOW

You have just brushed aside facts that are in evidence that at least should have put some doubts in your mind but you continue with your Blind faith in him. You say he is "doing a great job"? Please educate me on that, given that since the tax cut and deregulation occurred, which were Republican objectives of Congress before Trump even came into the picture and it was them that passed those (not Trump), it is impossible to give him credit for it. Since then, the border crisis has gotten worse, GDP has not improved, the government shut down cost tax payers $8 billion dollars, disunity in the nation is in chaos, the Tariff war has cost Americans over $40 billion dollars already and with no end in sight, the debt is at $22 trillion and the highest it has ever been (and Trump promised to fix that) and to finish it off, we have become the laughingstock of the world due to our love affair with Putin and with Kim.

and you say he is doing a great job?

You are blind as a bat.

In addition, you once again bring up Obama as if that fixes the problem. No, it doesn't fix anything.

I see now why I said good bye to you the last time. This time it is farewell.

Thank God most Americans are not seeing problems which are not there and fussing about the fact that nobody is doing anything to fix them.
 
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