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Separate But Equal

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This month and next dozens of universities across the nation, from private top-tier schools to public state institutions, will host segregated graduation ceremonies and celebrations for their black graduates.

These supplementary ceremonies are voluntary and are offered in addition to the universities’ regular graduations. Sometimes they’re co-hosted by black campus resource centers and various academic departments. They serve to give extra honors and recognition to black students earning their degrees.

Gov. George Wallace would be proud.

More than 75 universities now host blacks-only graduation ceremonies | The College Fix
 
It isn't the universities who are initiating this, but the students themselves. It says so in your links within your right-wing student rag. What is the purpose of this thread?

You find self segregation to be acceptable? What if whites demanded it?
 
Jews, Chinese any ethnic group you care to mention self-segregates. Why do you find it a problem if they do not?

Jews, Chinese, etc., are having separate graduation ceremonies now? When did this start?

What do you think would happen if a white student insisted on graduating with the blacks? What would happen if the whites insisted on having a graduation ceremony to themselves?
 
It isn't the universities who are initiating this, but the students themselves. It says so in your links within your right-wing student rag. What is the purpose of this thread?

That is not accurate. Universities and their various departments are offering these additional ceremonies, and they are just as stupid and based on prejudice now as they were then.
 
It isn't the universities who are initiating this, but the students themselves. It says so in your links within your right-wing student rag. What is the purpose of this thread?
My guess is to stoke bias and division.
 
1. Why do you, almost without exception, cite only far/alt right sources? My guess is because no honest or fair minded organization promulgates the type of “information” that tickles your fancy.

Do you doubt the fact that these segregated ceremonies are taking place? Perhaps you feel that a proper news source would suppress this news. If so, that is totalitarian, Maoist thinking.

2. If there was a Hell, George Wallace would be there stitching together white sheets.

Then why are we suddenly following his example?
 
Jews, Chinese, etc., are having separate graduation ceremonies now? When did this start?

What do you think would happen if a white student insisted on graduating with the blacks? What would happen if the whites insisted on having a graduation ceremony to themselves?

What difference does it make if it's a ceremony? And by the way it wasn't a graduation ceremony, it was a separate celebration organised by the students themselves. Many ethnic communities choose to self-segregate, as I have shown, and for many reasons.

Self-Segregation and Judaism - Commentary
 
What else is having racial segregation supposed to accomplish?
You’re asserting that these separate ceremonies are held to stoke bias and division?

* Read post #11.
 
You’re asserting that these separate ceremonies are held to stoke bias and division?

* Read post #11.

It's classic right-wing projection. Because the far-right are supporters of racism and enthusiastic racists for which they get called all the time, anything-even something as innocent as a student celebration-they feebly label as racist in an attempt at defence and deflection. It's so transparent it's laughable-no different from the far-right calling Nazism a socialist movement!
 
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It's classic right-wing projection. Because the far-right are supporters of racism and enthusiastic racists for which they get called all the time, anything-even something as innocent as a student celebration-they feebly label as racist in an attempt at defence and deflection. It's so transparent it's laughable-no different from the far-right calling Nazism a socialist movement!

Are you suggesting the 10,000 or so White Supremacists SPLC says exist have enough power to get 75 colleges and Universities to cause them to hold segregated graduation ceremonies?

It is possible there is some other influence that is causing them to do this?
 
Do you doubt the fact that these segregated ceremonies are taking place? Perhaps you feel that a proper news source would suppress this news. If so, that is totalitarian, Maoist thinking.
I don’t doubt the ceremonies are happening, I disdain those who attempt to twist/distort them into divisive commentary.

Then why are we suddenly following his example?
There is no “we” in this story, and there were no fire hoses, police dogs, or cops swinging batons so no, the students involved were absolutely not following Wallace’s example.
 
Yes, calling out flagrant, institutionalized racism and division does tend to piss people off.
Only those willfully stupid enough to see it that way.
 
1. I used to scoff at the idea of safe zones. I now wholeheartedly support the idea.

2. If a particular ethnicity wants to have an exclusive ceremony to celebrate, that's great.

3. I think that it's great that some university dormitories now reserve floors for a particular ethnicity or for gay people. In this way, the tenants will have a zone where they will be free of verbal or physical abuse.

4. I understand that some countries have public transportation reserved for women so that they do not have to worry about being harassed. A great idea.

5. I have a sneaking suspicion that as this century progresses, there will be a request by all kinds of groups for safe zones. As young people say, I am down with that idea.
 
1. I used to scoff at the idea of safe zones. I now wholeheartedly support the idea.

2. If a particular ethnicity wants to have an exclusive ceremony to celebrate, that's great.

3. I think that it's great that some university dormitories now reserve floors for a particular ethnicity or for gay people. In this way, the tenants will have a zone where they will be free of verbal or physical abuse.

4. I understand that some countries have public transportation reserved for women so that they do not have to worry about being harassed. A great idea.

5. I have a sneaking suspicion that as this century progresses, there will be a request by all kinds of groups for safe zones. As young people say, I am down with that idea.

4. In my town if you're a woman you can request a female taxi driver when you order a cab, if it makes you feel safer. Same with driving instructors. I see absolutely no issue with either.
 
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You’re asserting that these separate ceremonies are held to stoke bias and division?

* Read post #11.

So long as your reaction to (support for?) holding such segregated events by any group is the same (which I doubt) then we are then open to sanctioning whites only events (back to the bad old days).
 
So long as your reaction to (support for?) holding such segregated events by any group is the same (which I doubt) then we are then open to sanctioning whites only events (back to the bad old days).
One young African American’s view on separate (additional) ceremonies for black Harvard grads. I personally have no issue with it whatsoever. Read and judge for yourself.

When I first heard about the black graduation ceremony at Harvard, I was opposed to the idea. Why are the students segregating themselves? Why can’t they join the rest of the students in the regular graduation?
But I thought I would check with my cousin Barry, who graduated from Harvard many years ago. To my surprise, he was all for it.
“If it is in addition to the traditional graduation ceremony, in the way that each house has an additional ceremony, I think it would be fine,” he told me in an e-mail.
I was glad I had checked with him, because that was the first thing I learned:
The black Harvard graduates aren’t segregating themselves any more than any house that holds a separate ceremony is.
Through Barry’s daughter, Adrienne, I met another Harvard alum, Kristen Jones Miller, over e-mail, who shared her thoughts. (Jones Miller owns the business Mented with another Harvard alum, Amanda Johnson.)
Black Enterprise: Are you for or against the all-black Harvard graduation ceremony, and why?
Kristen Jones Miller: I love the idea of an all-black graduation ceremony. I graduated from Harvard College in 2008, and the “Black Grad” ceremony was actually a staple in the undergrad community—in fact, I was the black grad speaker. I love the [current] effort to make it school-wide because I remember feeling that this ceremony gave me, my family, and friends an even more intimate and community-based setting to celebrate this huge achievement.
That was the second point I learned:
Such black graduation ceremonies have been part of the graduation experience for many years at Harvard. What’s different this year is the attempt to make it school-wide.
BE: What did participating in the black graduation ceremony mean to you?
KJ: If there had been a cross-school black graduation I would have happily participated in that as well. Ultimately these events aren’t about excluding anyone—they’re about taking another moment to celebrate an amazing accomplishment with a community of people you’ve grown close to.
BE: Should these students have attended an all-black college if they wanted an all-black graduation ceremony?
KJ: No, I think this sentiment is somewhat silly. The black grad ceremony doesn’t replace the university-wide ceremony—it’s a bonus, akin to the house-specific ceremonies that are done at the undergraduate level.
Which brings us to the third fact I learned:
The black graduation at Harvard does not replace the university-wide ceremony, as I had erroneously thought.
3 Facts I Learned About Harvard's Black Graduation Ceremony
 
One young African American’s view on separate (additional) ceremonies for black Harvard grads. I personally have no issue with it whatsoever. Read and judge for yourself.

When I first heard about the black graduation ceremony at Harvard, I was opposed to the idea. Why are the students segregating themselves? Why can’t they join the rest of the students in the regular graduation?
But I thought I would check with my cousin Barry, who graduated from Harvard many years ago. To my surprise, he was all for it.
“If it is in addition to the traditional graduation ceremony, in the way that each house has an additional ceremony, I think it would be fine,” he told me in an e-mail.
I was glad I had checked with him, because that was the first thing I learned:
The black Harvard graduates aren’t segregating themselves any more than any house that holds a separate ceremony is.
Through Barry’s daughter, Adrienne, I met another Harvard alum, Kristen Jones Miller, over e-mail, who shared her thoughts. (Jones Miller owns the business Mented with another Harvard alum, Amanda Johnson.)
Black Enterprise: Are you for or against the all-black Harvard graduation ceremony, and why?
Kristen Jones Miller: I love the idea of an all-black graduation ceremony. I graduated from Harvard College in 2008, and the “Black Grad” ceremony was actually a staple in the undergrad community—in fact, I was the black grad speaker. I love the [current] effort to make it school-wide because I remember feeling that ]this ceremony gave me, my family, and friends an even more intimate and community-based setting to celebrate this huge achievement.
That was the second point I learned:
Such black graduation ceremonies have been part of the graduation experience for many years at Harvard. What’s different this year is the attempt to make it school-wide.
BE: What did participating in the black graduation ceremony mean to you?
KJ: If there had been a cross-school black graduation I would have happily participated in that as well. Ultimately these events aren’t about excluding anyone—they’re about taking another moment to celebrate an amazing accomplishment with a community of people you’ve grown close to.
BE: Should these students have attended an all-black college if they wanted an all-black graduation ceremony?
KJ: No, I think this sentiment is somewhat silly. The black grad ceremony doesn’t replace the university-wide ceremony—it’s a bonus, akin to the house-specific ceremonies that are done at the undergraduate level.
Which brings us to the third fact I learned:
The black graduation at Harvard does not replace the university-wide ceremony, as I had erroneously thought.
3 Facts I Learned About Harvard's Black Graduation Ceremony

One excuse (touted as a reason?) for having a second yet limited (by race) graduation ceremony is that "this ceremony gave me, my family, and friends an even more intimate and community-based setting to celebrate this huge achievement'. That, of course, suggests (boasts?) that a segregated community is more intimate (and thus desirable?) than an integrated community. It seems hard (hypocritical?) to celebrate having a racially segregated community while opposing that concept throughout society at large or in an employment setting.
 
Jews, Chinese, etc., are having separate graduation ceremonies now? When did this start?

What do you think would happen if a white student insisted on graduating with the blacks? What would happen if the whites insisted on having a graduation ceremony to themselves?

They did graduate with "the blacks." Read your own link, or just continue to make **** up - I'm guessing the latter...
 
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