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[W:588] How could anyone support treating girls and women this way?

nope proof a boy was in their locker room looking at them.
she wasn't peeping at anything.

you have been proven wrong yet again go figure.
nope he is a boy. he is not a girl. no matter what confusion you seem to have about it.
she isn't confused about it she clearly knows the difference.

There you go again. He was in there "looking at them". That fantasy is taking up how much room in your brain? She looked at his package. She admitted it. So I guess the other girls should be nervous now that she will be staring at everyones' crotch looking for a penis going forward. Because she admitted to doing it. No evidence that the boy was in there to "look at girls". And of course, since you know exactly nothing about trans people, you are just, as usual, making things up about them.

I haven't been proven wrong.

Why do you keep avoiding the question Agent J has been asking you, as I have, about your lie about your daughter losing her right to privacy?
 
since you have not any logic to begin with you haven't done anything.
neither has tres. she has no argument either.

do you think it is ok for boys to enter girls locker rooms.
because the girls certainly do not.

‘I felt violated’: Female student files civil rights complaint over boy in girls’ locker room | News | LifeSite

hmmm i guess she felt her rights were violated.
interesting. so no you are not using logic.

you are using strawman and fallacy arguments just like tres.

I have all the logic behind me.

Do I think it is okay for boys to enter girls locker rooms? Depends on why they are their. If they are to bother the girls..and make inappropriate things? No.

Just like I don't think its okay for girls.. to enter a girls locker room to make inappropriate things.

I have no problem with a biological male..who is transitioning into a female.. to enter a "female" locker room as long as their behavior is appropriate.

And vice versa.

hmmm i guess she felt her rights were violated.

And she was wrong because she was offered other accommodations. And I hardly doubt given the circumstances the school was going to severely punish her for "possibly risking"... being late to class.

If she stated she felt dirty having black girls look at her... would she have the right to have them excluded as well? Same logic.
 
There you go again. He was in there "looking at them". That fantasy is taking up how much room in your brain? She looked at his package. She admitted it. So I guess the other girls should be nervous now that she will be staring at everyones' crotch looking for a penis going forward. Because she admitted to doing it. No evidence that the boy was in there to "look at girls". And of course, since you know exactly nothing about trans people, you are just, as usual, making things up about them.

I haven't been proven wrong.

Why do you keep avoiding the question Agent J has been asking you, as I have, about your lie about your daughter losing her right to privacy?

agentj has been on ignore for about ol a few years now as he has nothing to say and is not worth responding to.
nope i didn't lie about anything.

so far the only people lying about anything are you 2.

i gave you clear evidence and even linked a news article.
to the point she filed a complaint about her privacy being invaded by men in the girls locker room.
 
I have all the logic behind me.

Do I think it is okay for boys to enter girls locker rooms? Depends on why they are their. If they are to bother the girls..and make inappropriate things? No.
Nope boys don't belong in the girls locker room unlike you people i learned this from a very young age.

Just like I don't think its okay for girls.. to enter a girls locker room to make inappropriate things.

no one is arguing anything about inappropriate things so this is a strawman.

I have no problem with a biological male..who is transitioning into a female.. to enter a "female" locker room as long as their behavior is appropriate.

That is your opinion. you are entitled to your opinion. the girls that have to deal with it are entitled to their opinion and their privacy to not
have boys in their locker room while they are changing.

And she was wrong because she was offered other accommodations. And I hardly doubt given the circumstances the school was going to severely punish her for "possibly risking"... being late to class.

Nope she was 100% right to complain. he could have gone to the private bathroom to change.
yes she would have been given tardy punishments for being late.

If she stated she felt dirty having black girls look at her... would she have the right to have them excluded as well? Same logic.
your strawman arguments have no value here but we know that is all you have.
 
1.) who said that?
2.) wrong just like you claim of logic that nobody is talking about, ive made no such claim at all
3.) what was obvious is that you probably had no idea what you were talking about and you just proved that fact. thanks!

so be disingenuous then, no worries. I don't care.

really, it seems like a standard operating procedure for some: say one thing, claim another, then insult someone and claim victory.

is there a school for liberal debating or something that teaches this?
 
agentj has been on ignore for about ol a few years now as he has nothing to say and is not worth responding to.
nope i didn't lie about anything.

so far the only people lying about anything are you 2.

i gave you clear evidence and even linked a news article.
to the point she filed a complaint about her privacy being invaded by men in the girls locker room.

Oh, but I haven't been on ignore, and I've asked you the same question. Why have you not answered me?

You gave me an article about a lawsuit a girl filed because she looked at someone's underwear and saw a penis. Or what she assumed to be a penis. That still doesn't change what I've been posting.

When did one high school student (who is under 18) become "men" again? And "invading"? Such hysterics. Do all these men (which is actually one boy with permission to be in there) fantasize about peeping on high school girls, like apparently you think every man does. Do you fantasize about it? If your answer is "no", then why do you think you get to answer for all other men?
 
Oh, but I haven't been on ignore, and I've asked you the same question. Why have you not answered me?

You gave me an article about a lawsuit a girl filed because she looked at someone's underwear and saw a penis. Or what she assumed to be a penis. That still doesn't change what I've been posting.

When did one high school student (who is under 18) become "men" again? And "invading"? Such hysterics. Do all these men (which is actually one boy with permission to be in there) fantasize about peeping on high school girls, like apparently you think every man does. Do you fantasize about it? If your answer is "no", then why do you think you get to answer for all other men?

because you have yet to tell me what right men have in a girls locker room.
you forget you do not get to push what you define as a women on me or anyone else. you have yet
to list a reason why my daughters right to privacy can be violated.

let me know when you can actually answer the questions.

i gave you an article about a girl in her locker room changing clothes a guy came in.
her right to privacy was violated and she filed a complaint.

why do you support such things is beyond me.
i am not answering for anyone else.

unlike you who does. you don't seem to have issues with men going into your locker rooms or bathrooms.
that is your opinion. there are other women that do have issues with it. there have been multiple lawsuits file
over the same thing.

so evidently there is a segment of the woman population that does not agree with you.
to them they have a right not to have men in their bathrooms and locker rooms.

PS your no longer worth responding you.
you have no argument. your posts have been reported for accusing me of such disgusting things.
i will leave it for the mods to handle.

that you have stooped so low in your post is a shame.
 
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because you have yet to tell me what right men have in a girls locker room.
you forget you do not get to push what you define as a women on me or anyone else. you have yet
to list a reason why my daughters right to privacy can be violated.

let me know when you can actually answer the questions.

i gave you an article about a girl in her locker room changing clothes a guy came in.
her right to privacy was violated and she filed a complaint.

why do you support such things is beyond me.
i am not answering for anyone else.

unlike you who does. you don't seem to have issues with men going into your locker rooms or bathrooms.
that is your opinion. there are other women that do have issues with it. there have been multiple lawsuits file
over the same thing.

so evidently there is a segment of the woman population that does not agree with you.
to them they have a right not to have men in their bathrooms and locker rooms.

You have to tell me what law prohibits a man who identifies as a woman from being in a women's room.

Then you have to tell me how your daughter's right to privacy is being violated.

You gave me an article about a teenage student who apparently identifies as a male being in a locker room because he is allowed to be. Did that confuse you? Tell me more about that girl's right to privacy. Does she get to say she doesn't want a lesbian in there with her too, because the lesbian may peep her, like you insist all men want to do (besides the one we all know about named Donald Trump)?

Why do I support this? Because I'm not a pervert. I don't think a trans person gets changed in a locker room because of the half naked underage girls. That's a sick fantasy that only you keep advancing.
 
1.) so be disingenuous then, no worries. I don't care.
2.)really, it seems like a standard operating procedure for some: say one thing, claim another, then insult someone and claim victory.
3.)is there a school for liberal debating or something that teaches this?

1.) im not i pointing out facts. You inability to see that or your denial of that doesnt change them. much to my delight they remain facts regardless
2.) sweet irony
3.) and thats 3 strikes youre out . . im not a liberal :lamo

fact remain your claims are wrong and you have no understanding of this issue and topic, please let me know when that fact changes. Thanks!
 
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because you have yet to tell me what right men have in a girls locker room.
you forget you do not get to push what you define as a women on me or anyone else. you have yet
to list a reason why my daughters right to privacy can be violated.

let me know when you can actually answer the questions.

i gave you an article about a girl in her locker room changing clothes a guy came in.
her right to privacy was violated and she filed a complaint.

why do you support such things is beyond me.
i am not answering for anyone else.

unlike you who does. you don't seem to have issues with men going into your locker rooms or bathrooms.
that is your opinion. there are other women that do have issues with it. there have been multiple lawsuits file
over the same thing.

so evidently there is a segment of the woman population that does not agree with you.
to them they have a right not to have men in their bathrooms and locker rooms.

PS your no longer worth responding you.
you have no argument. your posts have been reported for accusing me of such disgusting things.
i will leave it for the mods to handle.

that you have stooped so low in your post is a shame.

wow thats a long deflecting and dodge but yet we are still waiting. You lie has been thoroughly exposed, lets go over it again

My daughter doesn't want guys in her locker rooms while she changes clothes.

her right to privacy is well more important than your opinion frankly.

how is your daughters "right to privacy" factually violated by trans being allowed to used the restroom/locker-room?
i bet you have ZERO factual answers for this.

still waiting for you to prove this lie. Please post one fact that makes your claim true . . one thanks!
 
wow thats a long deflecting and dodge but yet we are still waiting. You lie has been thoroughly exposed, lets go over it again





still waiting for you to prove this lie. Please post one fact that makes your claim true . . one thanks!

Oh, don't you know? He's had you on ignore for "years", he says. That's why he won't answer you.

I pointed that he doesn't have me on ignore, so I asked him the same question....again. Funny - he hasn't answered it. Again.
 
Oh, don't you know? He's had you on ignore for "years", he says. That's why he won't answer you.

I pointed that he doesn't have me on ignore, so I asked him the same question....again. Funny - he hasn't answered it. Again.


any claims and lies like that are meaningless to the reality that there's no facts that show a violation of privacy. That claim as been proved a lie and people will continue to point it out for the lie it is.
 
Moderator's Warning:
Enough with the personal attacks, swipes and general asshattery. Either discuss the topic with civility or face the music.
 
Nope boys don't belong in the girls locker room unlike you people i learned this from a very young age.
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Yep.. you probably also learned that during a time when folks also learned that people shouldn't marry outside their race.. that black people shouldn't use the same toilets.. and that women should stay home and take care of babies.

Your idea is antiquated and based on the false assumption that a trans person in the womens locker room.. has suddenly decided to become trans and transition to being a female.. for the purpose of peeking on girls.

Meanwhile.. ironically it appears the girl in your article was the one that was doing the looking.

no one is arguing anything about inappropriate things so this is a strawman.

Bingo.. and that's the point. IF there is nothing inappropriate going on here in the locker room...then whats your fuss?

See how easy that is?

That is your opinion. you are entitled to your opinion. the girls that have to deal with it are entitled to their opinion and their privacy to not
have boys in their locker room while they are changing.
Absolutely.. just like they are entitled to their opinion that they don't want to change with black girls.. and they don't want to change with Hispanics....

And as such.. they can choose to change in other venues.. just like this girl was offered. It does not allow them to deny individuals.. that you just admitted .. were not doing any inappropriate behavior.. just because their opinion is that they don't want them in there

Nope she was 100% right to complain. he could have gone to the private bathroom to change.
.. So could she have. And she is the one that seems to have the problem.. as you admit there was no inappropriate behavior on the point of the trans person.

Meanwhile it appears she was checking the trans person out.

your strawman arguments have no value here but we know that is all you have.

Nope.. just logic and fact. You just admitted that there was no inappropriate behavior going on by the trans person. It was simply the girls feelings.
 
Are you joking?

The very first sentence reads as follows:

I'd have no problem with women competing against men

Now I think you're both obtuse and bad at a communication
 
no you don't. you speak for yourself and you that is it. you don't speak for my daughter or my wife.
the ego behind your statement is simply amazing.

Again, I speak for more women than you, because you only speak for yourself as a man. I never said I speak for all women.
 
Now I think you're both obtuse and bad at a communication

Seriously? On post #487 you said the following:

You have constantly passed on addressing female to male trans competing against boys. Why? Seriously. You should address the matter.

That statement is FALSE. Do you deny what's posted below?

What if a woman wants to compete against a man? Would you be against her decision? Would you call her anti woman?

I'd have no problem with women competing against men, because they aren't born with an inherent physical advantage... And why on earth would I call them anti-women?

Enough with your lies... All I'm looking for is an honest conversation and if that is too much too ask, then go bother someone else because I'm not playing that game.

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I don't think there is anything I find more wrong and more disheartening than watching as our society allows boys to absolutely destroy girls in athletic competition. I say "destroy" not just because boys win when competing against girls, but the fact that allowing this travesty is destroying the hopes and dreams of so many girls who have spent their entire lives training and striving to be the best at their sport, only to have it unfairly taken away.

How could anyone support legislation that humiliates female athletes like this?

Has the left completely lost their collective minds?



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With transgenderism, we are supposed to accept that the man who wins first place at the girl's track race is a girl. There is no problem here. The person that won the race is a girl. Bruce Jenner is a woman. This is the Truth.

Take heart though. It may be that the concept of male and female is dictated to us by NewThink, but one thing that all people can agree on is that race is immutable. Nazis knew that one can't choose to be a Jew. Liberals know that one can't choose to be black. Race above all. Race forever.
 
Yes, I agreed with that.



No, your fault is pretending there's no merit to accusations of conservative bigotry. And, as I said, even when they're right, the motivations of traditionally bigoted people are suspect. That's not MY fault.



Nobody said it, not even me. What I said is that you cons very often don't understand why what you think and say is bigoted. That's not in question.



The dumbest thing about conservatives, and I'll include you in this, is that you are always blissfully ignorant of your own history. Even after progressive society must twist your arms to get you to recognize the humanity of the LGBTQ demographic, you are brazen enough to act like your advocacy for women is not marked by more cases of you advocating against them.

You are opportunistic advocates with an underlying but ever present agenda of oppression. Maybe you guys should leave the equality and fairness questions to those who actually believe there should be such things.

This thread isn't about what you imagine the thoughts or motivations of conservatives are. It's about making an unlevel playing field in sport by putting what are essentially men into female athletics. This isn't a transgender issue, it's a fairness issue, the thing you guys are always prattling on about.

As for your comments about conservatives being ignorant of their history, it depends on what history you're talking about, how you interpret it and whether your assignment of it to conservatives has any merit. I also reject your claims of advocating against women. I suppose this refers to abortion but that isn't an advocacy against women, it's an advocacy FOR the defenseless and for THEIR rights, more than half of whom are likely to be female.

Your last statement is also utterly false. I want the utmost individual freedom but also common sense. Oh, and we're not going to leave the "equality and fairness" questions to you guys because that's how we end up with the types of situations being described here. What liberals mean by "fair" is giving advantages to groups they consider historically oppressed. That's not fairness, it's preference. It's payback to those you consider to have been the oppressors. Nothing fair about it.
 
This thread isn't about what you imagine the thoughts or motivations of conservatives are. It's about making an unlevel playing field in sport by putting what are essentially men into female athletics. This isn't a transgender issue, it's a fairness issue, the thing you guys are always prattling on about.

As for your comments about conservatives being ignorant of their history, it depends on what history you're talking about, how you interpret it and whether your assignment of it to conservatives has any merit. I also reject your claims of advocating against women. I suppose this refers to abortion but that isn't an advocacy against women, it's an advocacy FOR the defenseless and for THEIR rights, more than half of whom are likely to be female.

Your last statement is also utterly false. I want the utmost individual freedom but also common sense. Oh, and we're not going to leave the "equality and fairness" questions to you guys because that's how we end up with the types of situations being described here. What liberals mean by "fair" is giving advantages to groups they consider historically oppressed. That's not fairness, it's preference. It's payback to those you consider to have been the oppressors. Nothing fair about it.

Wrong right from the start.. its not about making an unlevel playing field... because 1. Being trans.. does not automatically confer a competitive advantage
2. The number of trans in this situation is so small.. as to make the "field" insignificant
3. Part of the transition.. is medications etc.. that reduce or eliminate any potential advantage by decreasing sex characteristics.
 
This thread isn't about what you imagine the thoughts or motivations of conservatives are. It's about making an unlevel playing field in sport by putting what are essentially men into female athletics. This isn't a transgender issue, it's a fairness issue, the thing you guys are always prattling on about.

Oh, are conservatives concerned about fairness now. I guess I was confused by their steadfast opposition to the equal rights amendment among other things. Where is the sense of fairness when the right wing is encouraging unlimited political spending by corporate persons to compete with my meager political spending? Don't kid yourself that conservatives love fairness, they just hate queers and anyone who doesn't conform to their biblical gender definitions.

As for your comments about conservatives being ignorant of their history, it depends on what history you're talking about, how you interpret it and whether your assignment of it to conservatives has any merit.

You tell me, is there any merit to the claim that they stand against equal pay for women, or that they are against equality in education or voting accessibility for the poor?

Rather than obscure their infamous treachery in senseless denial, own it and we can end this charade.

I also reject your claims of advocating against women. I suppose this refers to abortion but that isn't an advocacy against women, it's an advocacy FOR the defenseless and for THEIR rights, more than half of whom are likely to be female.

And where do those "defenseless" little fetuses reside? That's right, in WOMEN. These "defenseless" fetuses live within, draw nutrition from their blood, defecate inside them, cause them untold agony, injury and death to WOMEN. For you, or ANY other con to play this pretend you're not aware game is exactly the sort of selective conservative advocacy I was speaking of. Jesus, it's infuriating to try to have a rational conversation with people who get their education from bumper stickers.

Your last statement is also utterly false. I want the utmost individual freedom but also common sense. Oh, and we're not going to leave the "equality and fairness" questions to you guys because that's how we end up with the types of situations being described here. What liberals mean by "fair" is giving advantages to groups they consider historically oppressed.

Sure, who can deny the glaring advantage that gays, women and minorities have in America. How do all of these straight, white, Christian guys ever catch a break? Again, your delusions are frighteningly acute. Oh, what poor victims of liberals the right is! What delicate snowflakes, crushed under the socialist boot. *vomit*

That's not fairness, it's preference. It's payback to those you consider to have been the oppressors. Nothing fair about it.

OK, I'll withhold further comment until you've had a chance to get a fresh diaper and read a ****ing history book. Do it quick, though, your crying is annoying.
 
Oh, are conservatives concerned about fairness now. I guess I was confused by their steadfast opposition to the equal rights amendment among other things. Where is the sense of fairness when the right wing is encouraging unlimited political spending by corporate persons to compete with my meager political spending? Don't kid yourself that conservatives love fairness, they just hate queers and anyone who doesn't conform to their biblical gender definitions.



You tell me, is there any merit to the claim that they stand against equal pay for women, or that they are against equality in education or voting accessibility for the poor?

Rather than obscure their infamous treachery in senseless denial, own it and we can end this charade.



And where do those "defenseless" little fetuses reside? That's right, in WOMEN. These "defenseless" fetuses live within, draw nutrition from their blood, defecate inside them, cause them untold agony, injury and death to WOMEN. For you, or ANY other con to play this pretend you're not aware game is exactly the sort of selective conservative advocacy I was speaking of. Jesus, it's infuriating to try to have a rational conversation with people who get their education from bumper stickers.


1. I guess no conservative can comment on the preferential treatment being advocated by liberals and the unequal treatment that others then receive, without being accused of "hating" the group so elevated. That's intellectually vapid, weak and plainly embarrassing. It also conveniently relieves you and others of having to logically and cogently defend the unlevel playing field you've championed and created.

2. I don't advocate unlimited political spending and haven't indicated anywhere in this forum that I do. I haven't seen anybody in here support it that I can recall. That's just more liberal boilerplate devoid of facts. In case you missed it, also, the majority of people rejected the ERA because they recognize that it is redundant. We all have the same rights under the Constitution. It's the same type of thinking that makes one assault or murder worse than another by attaching the "hate crime" label to it. Murder is murder. Assault is assault. By giving more weight to certain motivations, we create lesser categories of victims.

3. No, there is no merit to your claims. Equal pay for women? Sure. However, studies show they make less than men for equal work. That falls on business owners, many, many of whom are liberals and Democrats, I can assure you. Also, how you would enforce that in every business? You'd have to look at EVERY employee and decide who is doing equal jobs. It's impossible. Again, libs make these broad claims but have zero idea about the difficulties of implementation.

Equality in education? What does that mean exactly? That anyone who can fog up a mirror gets into Harvard? When did ability start to be the second or third consideration? The SAT people are now cooking up a test that measures social standing. If you live in a poor neighborhood or come from a broken home, you get preference over someone who does not. Nevermind if the other person has superior ability or past performance. This, again, is the unequal playing field liberals set up with their group preferences and it doesn't just disadvantage whites but, more often, Asians who score the highest of all groups. I say let everyone compete on their ability. Heck, take names, races and the rest off applications. Pick the best and the brightest.

Voting accessability? Every legal US citizen who is registered and appears at the proper voting place, should be allowed to vote. The breathless claims of voter suppression spewed by the MSM and people like Stacy Abrams are simply not supported. They are excuses for losing.

4. Your comments regarding fetuses are equal parts laughable and sad. Yea, childbirth is hard. It's been that way from the beginning. Everyone knows that. That has NOTHING to do with the fact that we are talking about ending another human life. Sometimes that is necessary but we've made it a matter of whim and convenience in most places. It's the height of hypocrisy to see the "compassion" party endlessly champion abortion at any time for any reason.

5. I refer you to earlier comments. Dems are the party of preference, not equality. Removing barriers isn't good enough for them. They insist on putting the unfavored groups at a disadvantage. That's simply observable fact, no history book required. Anytime you want to discuss actual history and not the history you've been spoonfed, feel free.
 
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Wrong right from the start.. its not about making an unlevel playing field... because 1. Being trans.. does not automatically confer a competitive advantage
2. The number of trans in this situation is so small.. as to make the "field" insignificant
3. Part of the transition.. is medications etc.. that reduce or eliminate any potential advantage by decreasing sex characteristics.

Transgender men will always have an advantage. That is a fact that can't be changed. The number of transgenders is also irrelevant. Having one in a girls competition skews the result, no matter where they finish.
 
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