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The 1950s are coming back

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RobertU said:
Many liberals see the rise of Trump and far-right leaders in Europe, the Philippines and other parts of the world as a repeat of the fascist rise of Hitler, Mussolini and Francisco Franco. But if history is truly repeating itself, the defeat of fascism in this century will be followed not by a progressive paradise but by a post-World War II-type era of social conservatism and bourgeoise ideals: the “1950s,” a period often mocked and derided by the left.

If the 1950s are coming back, look for woman to focus more on family and children and less on careers. The alphabet soup can of LGBQT will be pushed to the rear of the pantry. The self-segregation by ideology occurring now may be extended to self-segregation by lifestyle and race. The cosmopolitan elites will persevere, but they will lose much of their influence in the media.

While the culture will move right, a liberal amount of government intervention will be required to focus on the family. For example, generous Social Security credits might be given to stay-at-home moms.

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So you mean that instead of holding a higher paying job than my husband has, I should be home like June Cleaver, wearing my chiffon dress and pearls, waiting for my dear husband to come home so I can cook him a meal, put on his smoking jacket, fill his pipe, and take off his shoes to massage his feet, like a good slave.
 
snakestretcher said:
Ah yes, the good old days of Cold War, threats of thermonuclear annihilation, race discrimination and post-war austerity. Bliss-and fantasy if you believe a major regressive cultural shift is even possible, let alone desirable.
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And kids were hiding under their desks from nuclear bombs instead of shooters.



Useless in both cases :(
 
TheParser said:
That is very true, but this would be a much happier country if mother stayed at home to cook and greet the children when they returned from school. And how great for a marriage if a man could return from work and look forward to a delicious meal.
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Can it be the same if the roles/genders are reversed?

You know, by choice?
 
sangha said:
This was a pretty good thread until phattanez started trolling it
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I thought I saw a hint of 'losers spend years not bettering themselves at work, refusing to relocate for work, or dont want to drive that far for work" and deserve really cheap housing. If so, that would be off-topic.
 
snakestretcher said:
Ah yes, the Dick Van Dyke show. Sorry, this is 2019 not some rose-tinted fantasy about a Golden Age which never existed.
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And it's ridiculous that they dont realize that it was only for a select few whites and even their blemishes & dysfunctions were hidden in the much more limited and controlled media of the time.

They also 'visualized an ideal' and back then, they were capable of restricting the public portrayals to that in order to try and sell it...as well as use it as an effective sales tool. Just look at ads of the time.

Everyone should still smoke like chimneys too, dont you think?
 
TheParser said:
But once upon a time, most mothers DID stay at home. She took care of the house and cooked the food. That's why her husband and children loved her so much.

Even today there's something special about mothers.

If one's mother is still living, don't forget: Sunday is Mother's Day.




Have a nice weekend.
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Once upon a time women werent even considered, legally, equal to men. And people smoked everywhere, all the time. And wouldnt allow people of other colors to interact with themselves or go to their kids schools. And pretended that men didnt beat their wives and kids and provided no resources to help them. And also pretended that sexual harassment and pedophilia were not common. Lesbians and gays could only have families and be part of society if they hid their true identities.
 
TheParser said:
That is very true, but this would be a much happier country if mother stayed at home to cook and greet the children when they returned from school. And how great for a marriage if a man could return from work and look forward to a delicious meal.
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:roll:

Maybe you ask the women how great it would be?

Maybe binge watching Leave It To Beaver for a few days will suffice?
 
TheParser said:
And how great for a marriage if a man could return from work and look forward to a delicious meal.
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I do, every day. My wife loves cooking for our family. :)

And it certainly doesn't hurt the marriage.

But I have my responsibilities too, like maintaining the house and cars, doing yard work, stuff like that.
 
Lursa said:
And kids were hiding under their desks from nuclear bombs instead of shooters.



Useless in both cases :(
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Yup, I did Duck and Cover, except my father actually WAS a nuclear physicist, and he made sure we understood that Duck and Cover was useless.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Maybe because the future is something that be pursued regardless of where it leads
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Well that's definitely debatable, depending upon the path taken!

But I'm not so harsh on the desire to turn back the clock, as it would seem. I believe there are some things that were better, just as some we're not. The goal IMNSHO, is to move forward away from the bad, while trying to bring-up the good. Of course that's not so easy, because in our extremely diverse & pluralistic society there are many definitions of "good" and "not good".
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Yup, I did Duck and Cover, except my father actually WAS a nuclear physicist, and he made sure we understood that Duck and Cover was useless.
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That must have been pretty depressing!

The nuns in my grammar school assigned the book "Hiroshima" to us, as a reading project. It is a very deeply descriptive tomb of first person narratives of those on the ground, along with the explanations of what was occurring in physical & medical terms. It's a great read, even today. After reading it, I never looked at Duck & Cover the same again.

There was no way to read that book during the Cold War era, and not be instilled with fear. We are happily past that era, but only to see it replaced by terrorism. And while Americans may be more likely to experience a terrorist attack than a Cold War nuclear event, nothing stroked fear like the possibility of nuclear annihilation.

Anyway, for reference: (Wikipedia) Hiroshima (book)
 
Casper said:
I was born and grew up in the 50s and 60s, so save the Liberal nonsense for somone that wasn't there. Yes some things were good and some were pretty awful, hence why we have processed, we still have a long way to go if we have time, which I doubt.
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The things that were awful are now better but the things that were good are mostly all worse. I also was born in the 50's and grew up in the 60's so I certainly know what life was like at that time.
 
JustHanging said:
No, just too many racist white people. Far far too many.
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So, I guess it doesn't matter that we threw away the good things because we also promoted civil rights. Black divorce and illegitimacy rates were a tiny fraction in 1950 of what they are now (white rates, too) and it is those things which have largely ravaged the black community. Posting pictures of Klan members doesn't help anyone now.
 
SoCal said:
It doesn't matter which decade it is, conservatives have always yearned for yesteryear. Progression and change are scary things for many of them. For white conservatives in particular, the 50's were a grand old time. To this day, they continue to promote and attempt to sell the values of the time, a time when women had no control of their own bodies, or opportunities to emerge from their husband's shadow.

For millions of minorities, life in the 50's involved much more than rumblings of discontent. In the 50's when whites ruled America, they kept them in the back of the bus and deprived them of their civil rights. For conservative whites who care for no one but them selves, life the 50's had a lot of nice features. No welfare, segregated schools and neighborhoods. Out of sight and out of mind. Pining for the 50's couldn't be a more clear cut example of the adage, "When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression".

I suppose conservatives will never get over the fact that there is no going back...
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Baloney. This is the nonsense we constantly get fed by the left. We've gone forward in some things and backward in others. To ignore that is simply putting your head in the sand. BTW, the left elites today embody the "out of sight, out of mind" mantra as much as any white person from the 50's. Feigning concern for people out of political expediency is hardly helpful to them.
 
JustHanging said:
Very good post.

The biggest problem imo is that so many of the people white's used to look down on, have climbed past the whites. Gotta suck to see the people you thought you were superior to blow past you on the ladder of success.
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People who succeed by their own efforts and merits deserve the success they get. That's sort of the whole idea of the system we have here.
 
veritas1 said:
So, I guess it doesn't matter that we threw away the good things because we also promoted civil rights.
Well it depends how far back you want to go then doesn't it? Because in the fifties, there were still separate water fountains, blacks were sitting at the back of the bus, and schools were segregated based on race.
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Posting pictures of Klan members doesn't help anyone now.
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Au contraire. They are not only part of Trump's base, but Trump publicly defends them, saying some are "very fine people". People who showed up a White Supremacist rally, a rally with the stated purpose of uniting White Supremacists from across the country, where participants were chanting Nazi slogans and carrying Nazi and KKK paraphenalia, and your POTUS is telling us that some of them are "very fine people."

I happen to think it's important to remind people of this. I'm betting you want people to forget it. Am I right?
 
phattonez said:
Never?

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Then there is this: the black divorce rate used to be far lower than the divorce rate of any group today.

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It's called "progress".:cool:
 
veritas1 said:
People who succeed by their own efforts and merits deserve the success they get. That's sort of the whole idea of the system we have here.
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Yeah, but like I said, some whites can't stand it when brown skin people pass them. Based on Trump's main campaign strategy to energize his base, which is making racist attacks on brown skinned people, I would suspect they are very plentiful. Of course, that depends on if you think Trump knows his base. Well? Do you?
 
veritas1 said:
It's called "progress".:cool:
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Yeah, I'm sure most black people would much prefer to go back to the days when they were forced to go to separate schools and be forced to sit a the back of the bus. And drink out of separate water fountains.

Of course, there are a lot of white racists who undoubtedly hate the progress we've made in these areas.
 
JustHanging said:
Au contraire. They are not only part of Trump's base, but Trump publicly defends them, saying some are "very fine people". People who showed up a White Supremacist rally, a rally with the stated purpose of uniting White Supremacists from across the country, where participants were chanting Nazi slogans and carrying Nazi and KKK paraphenalia, and your POTUS is telling us that some of them are "very fine people."

I happen to think it's important to remind people of this. I'm betting you want people to forget it. Am I right?
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How are they going to forget it when you guys bring it up every 30 seconds? BTW, do you think that anyone other than white supremacists have a problem with the mania to tear down every historic symbol that angers the left and that some of them could be fine people? BTW, the Klan had 4 million members at its height in the 20's and comprised about 20% of the white adult male population. Any active KKK, neo-Nazi types today are a tiny, tiny fraction of that yet you make it sound like they make up most of the Trump supporters. It's nonsense.
 
JustHanging said:
Yeah, I'm sure most black people would much prefer to go back to the days when they were forced to go to separate schools and be forced to sit a the back of the bus. And drink out of separate water fountains.

Of course, there are a lot of white racists who undoubtedly hate the progress we've made in these areas.
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Of course, that wasn't the topic yet you can't help yourself from coming back with the same canned responses.
 
TheParser said:
I was a teenager in the 1950s.

It was essentially a peaceful era.

No one was concerned about crime.

It was "I Love Lucy" and the start of that new invention called the television.

We had a war hero, General Dwight Eisenhower, as President.

Oh, sure, there were some rumblings of discontent in the country, but no one could have anticipated the explosion that came in the 1960s.

The 1950s had a lot of nice features, so here's hoping that the comments in the OP come true.
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An era of breath-taking social and political repression.
 
veritas1 said:
People who succeed by their own efforts and merits deserve the success they get. That's sort of the whole idea of the system we have here.
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Those who inherit fortunes apparently deserve it as well, so what's your point?
 
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