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The 1950s are coming back

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vesper said:
I grew up in the town that I now live in. Once I left home.... got married in the 70's I wanted to return after we started a family because my hometown had one of the top 10 education districts in the country to ensure our kids got a good education. In 58-59 I was in the first grade but throughout the 60's we didn't have air conditioning and we slept with the doors and windows completely open with no fear.

Mom was a stay at home mom. Everyday we left the house for school we looked like we just walked out of a ban box because my mom would stand for hours ironing all our clothes. We never left the house without being fed a good breakfast, hair combed, shoes polished and at least 4 days a week she packed our lunches which consisted of a sandwich and a piece of fruit with 2 cents for milk money. Once in a while there would be a cookie or cake but not real often. And in those days mom had dinner ready every night.

We didn't have excessive homework like kids have today. Good grief the burden on these kids today in regard to homework is criminal. Back then once in awhile you had something to do. Often it was to read a chapter in a book so you would be prepared to answer the questions on the quiz the following day. Or study spelling words or do a page of math problems. Whatever, it didn't take more than 30 minutes to complete allowing kids to have some fun time which could include sport activities, music lessons, scouts etc. before the next day of school.

On Friday nights there were favorite shows. Mom would pop some corn and take a bottle of Coca Cola and divide it between three of us Even Steven and allow us into the living room with our treats to watch TV. That was a big deal.

On Saturdays you had chores around the house to do early and then often the family did something together even if it was just to go get an ice cream cone as a family or take a drive to some location as a family like visiting the grandparents. And Sunday it was church and a special Sunday dinner which could end up to be a picnic in a park as a family
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Sounds awful and repressive. Thankfully now we live in an era where families do nothing together and even teenagers are on antidepressants.

And since I'm on this forum, yes I'm being sarcastic.
 
SoCal said:
Conservatives often cite divorce rates as proof of how swell life was in the 50's. In reality it was a time when men had the upper hand over women. Divorce rates went up when laws were finally enacted giving women the same rights as men. They feel the same way about minorities, when it comes down to brass tacks, they don't like real equality...

"...Multiple studies have shown that women bear the brunt of the social and economic burdens that come with divorce. The quickest route to poverty is to become a single mother. This is awful enough, but what I find so galling is that the right to divorce was meant to be a cornerstone of liberty for women.

For centuries, divorce in the West was a male tool of control—a legislative chastity belt designed to ensure that a wife had one master, while a husband could enjoy many mistresses. It is as though, having denied women their cake for so long, the makers have no wish to see them enjoy it..."
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Cool how you ignore all effects on children.
 
RobertU said:
I am offering a scenario of what may exist 15 years from now. I expect a “spirit of the times” or zeitgeist that will favor social and cultural conservatives. I am not going to micromanage a future that does not exist yet.
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So then it could be a family with either a man or a woman staying home that would be eligible for the incentives?
 
phattonez said:
The economics of this era were certainly better.

++ Not if you were black or a farmworker.

Yet he was totally right about the many Communist spies in this country.

++. Being left-handed doesnt make you a communist, as Paul Simon sang.

And there's plenty of reason to believe he was sympathetic to Communism. Rosa Parks attended Communist meetings. Communists praised the Civil Rights Movement. And still today many of the FBI's MLK documents are sealed.

++ Cesar Chavez was called a communist, too. You must agree with the John Steinbeck character, who said that “a communist is any sin of a bitch who asks for 35 cents an hour when I am paying 25.” Anyway, why do you give communists credit for all the good stuff Rosa and MLK did.

What have they gone to instead?

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Depression and obesity.
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++ Patterns seem the same for both sexes. But I assume that the sensible, non feminist women you know vacuum and cook in aprons and heels? Kinky.
 
Nickyjo said:
++ Patterns seem the same for both sexes. But I assume that the sensible, non feminist women you know vacuum and cook in aprons and heels? Kinky.
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Venona project - Wikipedia

Your knowledge of the history of Communist infiltration is as shallow as a kiddie pool.
 
phattonez said:
Venona project - Wikipedia

Your knowledge of the history of Communist infiltration is as shallow as a kiddie pool.
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They are everywhere: Hollywood, the media, Adlai Stevenson and even Ike, the anti-Vietnam war movement, the civil rights movement, the Beatles, folk music, etc. They are positively all over fourth street and are coming to get your momma!
 
Nickyjo said:
They are everywhere: Hollywood, the media, Adlai Stevenson and even Ike, the anti-Vietnam war movement, the civil rights movement, the Beatles, folk music, etc. They are positively all over fourth street and are coming to get your momma!
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That's cool how you think your jokes are more real than reality.
 
phattonez said:
Encourage black home ownership as that encourages social stability and encourages family stability. How do you do that? Lower the cost of home ownership. Lower property taxes for primary residences and raise property taxes for investment properties.
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I would say this could be a potential, however I don't think it's anywhere near the full answer.

In the UK, crime went down in the years before the London Olympics in 2012. Why? Sport. So much sports participation brought crime levels down.

After school classes. Help for kids who don't have that social structure at home. Make schools more a part of the community, make communities. Make support networks.

Problem is, the political system is so corrupt that the politicians are more interested in making money, and making "policies" that appear good on paper, but in reality do nothing much.
 
Chomsky said:
Hell - Lenny Bruce's went to jail for obscenity for publicly saying "CS", the feds were promoting "reefer madness" and locking people up for mere joints, and adult men and women were being wholesale jailed for homosexual behaviour. And that's to say nothing of the lives of coloured folk below the Mason-Dixon.
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As a teenager attending a private secondary school and then USC, I really did not know about those things.

But by the 1960s, I was very aware and that's why I was a bleeding heart liberal for a while. I think Texas used to sentence people to 1,000 years for marijuana. And here in Los Angeles, the police actually bragged about the thousands of gay men who were routinely entrapped, thus destroying their lives.

Since you seem to realize there are two sides to this emotional issue, I wanted to point out the good aspects of the 1950s: Most children (of all groups) still lived with two parents, the hard drugs had not yet destroyed complete communities, and there was not yet the senseless violent crime of the 1970s and 1980s.


Best wishes
 
RobertU said:
The self-segregation by ideology occurring now may be extended to self-segregation by lifestyle and race.
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That is a very, very, very interesting prediction.

Very.
 
RobertU said:
Many liberals see the rise of Trump and far-right leaders in Europe, the Philippines and other parts of the world as a repeat of the fascist rise of Hitler, Mussolini and Francisco Franco.
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Nonsense. I don't know any "liberals" that have had that thought cross their mind.

RobertU said:
But if history is truly repeating itself
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It's NOT!

RobertU said:
the defeat of fascism in this century
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Except for our presidents desire to give that (fascism) a try, Facism was defeated in the LAST century.<-period

RobertU said:
will be followed not by a progressive paradise but by a post-World War II-type era of social conservatism and bourgeoise ideals: the “1950s,” a period often mocked and derided by the left.
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"Social Conservativism"??? What about "Social Democracy" Where is the line drawn? "bourgeoise (middle class) ideals"; Social Conservatism/Social Democracy … Middle Class … NONE of that is "derided by the left", I grew up in the 50's there has never been a more idyllic, perhaps naïve, time in American history; certainly NOT mocked OR derided by the "left".

RobertU said:
If the 1950s are coming back
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They (for good or bad) isn't coming back.

RobertU said:
look for woman to focus more on family and children and less on careers. The alphabet soup can of LGBQT will be pushed to the rear of the pantry. The self-segregation by ideology occurring now may be extended to self-segregation by lifestyle and race. The cosmopolitan elites will persevere, but they will lose much of their influence in the media.
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Nonsense!

RobertU said:
While the culture will move right, a liberal amount of government intervention will be required to focus on the family. For example, generous Social Security credits might be given to stay-at-home moms.
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Not going to happen.<-period

I believe your whole thesis is ill-conceived. Yes, the 50's are what tRump is "AGAINING" about, but those days (for good AND bad) are in the past. Which proves the LIE of the foundation of his presidency. AMERICA IS GREAT, we have the most robust economy in the world, our currency IS the currency of the world, our military IS the strongest in the world … by a factor of (at least) a factor of TEN! WE ARE then envy of the world, we just need to act like it.<-period

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TheParser said:
As a teenager attending a private secondary school and then USC, I really did not know about those things.

But by the 1960s, I was very aware and that's why I was a bleeding heart liberal for a while. I think Texas used to sentence people to 1,000 years for marijuana. And here in Los Angeles, the police actually bragged about the thousands of gay men who were routinely entrapped, thus destroying their lives.

Since you seem to realize there are two sides to this emotional issue, I wanted to point out the good aspects of the 1950s: Most children (of all groups) still lived with two parents, the hard drugs had not yet destroyed complete communities, and there was not yet the senseless violent crime of the 1970s and 1980s.


Best wishes
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I think one reason you have received a fair amount of push back is because we cannot recreate the global dynamics that brought on 1950's America. That was the post WW2 era and as much as some Americans want to claim it at some sort of birthright it wasn't. It was a phenomenon that nobody with a brain believes to be repeatable.

Add to that the absurdity of "bringing back the past" in any sense and you are down the Trumpian rathole. Whatever lies out ahead of us may rhyme with history but it will not be history. Sorry....not happening.
 
RobertU said:
Many liberals see the rise of Trump and far-right leaders in Europe, the Philippines and other parts of the world as a repeat of the fascist rise of Hitler, Mussolini and Francisco Franco. But if history is truly repeating itself, the defeat of fascism in this century will be followed not by a progressive paradise but by a post-World War II-type era of social conservatism and bourgeoise ideals: the “1950s,” a period often mocked and derided by the left.

If the 1950s are coming back, look for woman to focus more on family and children and less on careers. The alphabet soup can of LGBQT will be pushed to the rear of the pantry. The self-segregation by ideology occurring now may be extended to self-segregation by lifestyle and race. The cosmopolitan elites will persevere, but they will lose much of their influence in the media.

While the culture will move right, a liberal amount of government intervention will be required to focus on the family. For example, generous Social Security credits might be given to stay-at-home moms.

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Ah yes, the good old days of Cold War, threats of thermonuclear annihilation, race discrimination and post-war austerity. Bliss-and fantasy if you believe a major regressive cultural shift is even possible, let alone desirable.
 
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Rogue Valley said:
With the US becoming minority white by 2042, your Trumpian scenario is moot.
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That is true.

If one chooses to live in the United States of America after 2050, one must accept the new population profile or -- as one activist once crudely put it -- leave the country if it is not one's cup of tea.
 
Nickyjo said:
And women ain't going back to cooking in aprons and heels.
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That is very true, but this would be a much happier country if mother stayed at home to cook and greet the children when they returned from school. And how great for a marriage if a man could return from work and look forward to a delicious meal.
 
TheParser said:
That is very true, but this would be a much happier country if mother stayed at home to cook and greet the children when they returned from school. And how great for a marriage if a man could return from work and look forward to a delicious meal.
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Ah yes, the Dick Van Dyke show. Sorry, this is 2019 not some rose-tinted fantasy about a Golden Age which never existed.
 
snakestretcher said:
Ah yes, the Dick Van Dyke show. Sorry, this is 2019 not some rose-tinted fantasy about a Golden Age which never existed.
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But once upon a time, most mothers DID stay at home. She took care of the house and cooked the food. That's why her husband and children loved her so much.

Even today there's something special about mothers.

If one's mother is still living, don't forget: Sunday is Mother's Day.




Have a nice weekend.
 
RobertU said:
Many liberals see the rise of Trump and far-right leaders in Europe, the Philippines and other parts of the world as a repeat of the fascist rise of Hitler, Mussolini and Francisco Franco. But if history is truly repeating itself, the defeat of fascism in this century will be followed not by a progressive paradise but by a post-World War II-type era of social conservatism and bourgeoise ideals: the “1950s,” a period often mocked and derided by the left.

If the 1950s are coming back, look for woman to focus more on family and children and less on careers. The alphabet soup can of LGBQT will be pushed to the rear of the pantry. The self-segregation by ideology occurring now may be extended to self-segregation by lifestyle and race. The cosmopolitan elites will persevere, but they will lose much of their influence in the media.

While the culture will move right, a liberal amount of government intervention will be required to focus on the family. For example, generous Social Security credits might be given to stay-at-home moms.

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That's not happening. There's no going back to those times. And good on that. Despite the economy being better in those times than it is now, there were a ton of social restrictions and strife, stuff that was beyond terrible and unacceptable. Thankfully, I can get married now if I choose, and society has taken a good turn towards LGBT acceptance. Same goes with interracial dating and marriage. Plus, as a woman, I can pave a career path for myself, instead of being expected (and limited) to taking care of the home.
 
TheParser said:
That is very true, but this would be a much happier country if mother stayed at home to cook and greet the children when they returned from school. And how great for a marriage if a man could return from work and look forward to a delicious meal.
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If that is what both agree on, than that is fine. Back in the day, the man made the decisions, and that is not ok. Today, Mom or Mom, Dad or Dad, Mom or Dad can stay home and cook and clean and greet the kids, regardless what they or their kids look like, white, black, brown or any shade in between.
 
phattonez said:
By the way, I'm not exactly welcomed in black neighborhoods either. But that's okay?
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Maybe walking around talking about how "niggers suck" and complaining about "race mixing" is why. Can't say I blame them much.
Have you or any members of your family been on YouTube recently? :lamo
 
TheGoverness said:
That's not happening. There's no going back to those times. And good on that. Despite the economy being better in those times than it is now, there were a ton of social restrictions and strife, stuff that was beyond terrible and unacceptable. Thankfully, I can get married now if I choose, and society has taken a good turn towards LGBT acceptance. Same goes with interracial dating and marriage. Plus, as a woman, I can pave a career path for myself, instead of being expected (and limited) to taking care of the home.
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The New Deal had the economy working well, and now we were beginning to turn to fixing social issues, but apparently that was a bridge too far for angry white people. After decades of white privilege, equality DOES feel like oppression!
Tough ****, Sparky.
 
Lovebug said:
If that is what both agree on, than that is fine. Back in the day, the man made the decisions, and that is not ok. Today, Mom or Mom, Dad or Dad, Mom or Dad can stay home and cook and clean and greet the kids, regardless what they or their kids look like, white, black, brown or any shade in between.
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The reality for most Americans in this "roaring economy" is, both parents have to work, sometimes four jobs between the two of them, and for four in ten working families, they still don't have enough to cover a four hundred dollar emergency.

THAT IS THE REALITY.
 
Only for white men, so if your a white male I guess it was a great time for you. Lynchings and killing of people of color, rape of children and wife beatings (the norm)...of course there was no violence in your little world.
 
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