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What Happened After My 13-Year-Old Son Joined the Alt-Right

beefheart said:
Again....do you really think it would be wise for the author NOT to be anonymous? Its a 13 year old kid and they are talking about some of the slimiest alt-right denizens that would go wild wreaking havoc into this person's life.

You are just grasping for any excuse to fit your narrative, your attempts are failing.
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And again, I understand the reason behind the use of anonymous, but that doesn't change the fact that not one part of that story can be verified.

You are accepting a story as stone cold fact, when nothing exists that can validate any part of it. Any normal human being would recognize this and have some measure of skepticism, and the only person who wouldn't, is someone who doesn't care about anything else but propping up their ideological beliefs.

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Grim17 said:
And again, I understand the reason behind the use of anonymous, but that doesn't change the fact that not one part of that story can be verified.

You are accepting a story as stone cold fact, when nothing exists that can validate any part of it. Any normal human being would recognize this and have some measure of skepticism, and the only person who wouldn't, is someone who doesn't care about anything else but propping up their ideological beliefs.

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You are trying so hard to discredit this, so much defensiveness.

It really says a lot.
 
Grim17 said:
Once again, there is no way to verify any of it, so to treat it as fact is foolish.
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Agreed. OTOH, all Nazis are assclowns who should follow their leader.

WARNING: NSFW or little ears.

 
beefheart said:
You are trying so hard to discredit this, so much defensiveness.

It really says a lot.
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Thank you for confirming what I already knew... You will believe lock, stock and barrel, and will refuse to question in any way, any story that props up your political beliefs.

What's so funny is, I gave you every opportunity to show that you weren't some dishonest shill that allows partisan politics to drag him around by the nose, but just as I suspected, that wasn't an option you were capable of seizing upon.

So I guess it's your turn to attack me and pretend that my valid skepticism was something it wasn't... In fact, I expect nothing less from you than a dishonest portrayal of what I've posted.

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Oborosen said:
Such a separation is only going to get more profound as time goes on. The left has been arguably going further to the left as times progressed and the right has stayed fairly constant in it's position.
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I do not know where you live, but the right has moved very far to the right. They no longer even allow moderate right wingers in their circle. You must be from out of town.
 
Lesh said:
There is a huge difference between being a liberal and joining the hate filled alt right
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Of course. Alt-righters are, as a general rule, far more tolerant, logical, and open-minded than liberals.
 
Grim17 said:
Thank you for confirming what I already knew... You will believe lock, stock and barrel, and will refuse to question in any way, any story that props up your political beliefs.

What's so funny is, I gave you every opportunity to show that you weren't some dishonest shill that allows partisan politics to drag him around by the nose, but just as I suspected, that wasn't an option you were capable of seizing upon.

So I guess it's your turn to attack me and pretend that my valid skepticism was something it wasn't... In fact, I expect nothing less from you than a dishonest portrayal of what I've posted.

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And you will disbelieve lock stock and barrel anything that doesn't fit your narrow narrative. Keep defending your position, it is hilarious in how pathetic it is.

You lost....you are just posting angry nonsense now.
 
beefheart said:
And you will disbelieve lock stock and barrel anything that doesn't fit your narrow narrative. Keep defending your position, it is hilarious in how pathetic it is.

You lost....you are just posting angry nonsense now.
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I knew you would dishonestly portray me and what I've posted, because that's what your ideological beliefs demand. A lie begets a lie, and so on, and so on....

I'm not now, nor have I been at any time tonight "angry". In fact quite the opposite. I really get a kick out of people like yourself who have to rely on dishonesty to prop up their beliefs... Speaking of dishonesty, I believe this demonstrates your dishonesty well:

Grim17 said:
I'm honest enough to say it could be a true story, but not so foolish to accept it as fact like some people around here have.
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Grim17 said:
The story could be true as I've made clear, but logic dictates skepticism in this case.
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There is a difference between disbelief and skepticism, but you just keep on being you and pretend that there isn't.

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Grim17 said:
I knew you would dishonestly portray me and what I've posted, because that's what your ideological beliefs demand. A lie begets a lie, and so on, and so on....

I'm not now, nor have I been at any time tonight "angry". In fact quite the opposite. I really get a kick out of people like yourself who have to rely on dishonesty to prop up their beliefs... Speaking of dishonesty, I believe this demonstrates your dishonesty well:





There is a difference between disbelief and skepticism, but you just keep on being you and pretend that there isn't.

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You dishonestly portrayed the article, even though you know that there is a damned good reason that it is anonymous.

Quit trying to spin your dishonesty.
 
beefheart said:
Why do you think they are anonymous? Because all the channers and the alt-right love to go doxxing and they would make this family's life a living hell. Because that is what these sick little incels do for fun.
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Possibly, yes. Or it may be an unfortunate truth that this story is just a severe embellishment in one way, the another.

But you may want to try and evaluate what it is you are proposing is happening. When coupled with the fact that there have been and are still in an active function. Left leaning groups that seek to do the same to right leaning individuals. For even less reasons than someone on the alt-right, might think to target this person over.

Let the writer stay anonymous if they want. It only helps to weaken the position of such a story, even further than the suspicious happenings held within it.
 
Craig234 said:
Liberals for more than half a century, I think, have been referred to as 'herding cats' because they each have their own issues, and so it's a sort of coalition.

An old story I tell is when I went to a moveon meeting early on. It happened to be the agenda was selecting a 'top issue' for the organization for the year.

Each person nominated an issue. Education, race, and so on - I think every issue had one vote, maybe one had two. I said, 'let's pick campaign finance reform, because that has a big effect on ALL of your issues'. Everyone said 'good point!'

Then we voted, and I was the only vote for that, and everyone voted for their own issue. If I recall, the two vote issue won.

But it's not like the right doesn't have this even worse, with its hobbled coalition of gun nuts, religious radicals, bigots, plutocrats, and so on.
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I find it terrifying that you don't believe such elements as those exist in the left either.
 
Grim17 said:
I saw this earlier today, and let's just say I'm skeptical. It's hard to give an article like this a lot of credence when it's written by "Anonymous", but since it fits the far left narrative I'm sure you all will think it's just as credible as all those anonymous "bomb shell" Trump/Russia collusion reports from CNN you all bought lock, stock and barrel.

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Like, "read my lips, no new taxes", and "Mexico will pay for the wall"? I wonder who bought into those lies...enough people to get the guys elected, obviously.
 
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D_NATURED said:
Are you serious, dude? Both parties moved to the right and the liberals lost their identity. Today, the progressives are taking back their party, maybe too late.

The right was, at one time, just greedy and bigoted. Now they are PROUDLY greedy and bigoted. The move on their part has only been away from shame. There's a new GOP under Trump and it never apologizes no matter how dumb or racist its members behave.
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No the right was more puritanical and secular. They've become more moderate and pliable in the last few decades as things have progressed.

The left on the other hand have gone so far to one side that they've become a strange shell of some fascist/authoritarian group. Who routinely contributes to large amounts of violence over the course of a year and with attack people solely on the premise of what opinion they might hold.

It's leaders and supporters pushing vehemently for such acts of violence and even actively calling for them to this day.
#punchanazi was an act of punching Nazis. However, the issue is that the left uses that as a justification to attack "anyone" that it deems a Nazi. Which can even be it's own members at times.

The mainline liberals are sick of it's become.
 
Grim17 said:
I saw this earlier today, and let's just say I'm skeptical. It's hard to give an article like this a lot of credence when it's written by "Anonymous", but since it fits the far left narrative I'm sure you all will think it's just as credible as all those anonymous "bomb shell" Trump/Russia collusion reports from CNN you all bought lock, stock and barrel.

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Let us know when Trumps bombshell on Obamas birth certificate comes thru, those investigators sure our taking a while to come up with the goods. I realize Hawaii is a few miles from Trump Tower, you reckon PI's have been on a retainer for 6 years?
 
Oborosen said:
Possibly, yes. Or it may be an unfortunate truth that this story is just a severe embellishment in one way, the another.

But you may want to try and evaluate what it is you are proposing is happening. When coupled with the fact that there have been and are still in an active function. Left leaning groups that seek to do the same to right leaning individuals. For even less reasons than someone on the alt-right, might think to target this person over.

Let the writer stay anonymous if they want. It only helps to weaken the position of such a story, even further than the suspicious happenings held within it.
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Ao there are left wing folks using the same tools cults and terrorists use on kids they seek out online?

I would like to see the cite for that.

Not because I don't believe you, but diametrically opposed to all those dismissing this as propaganda, if the left is doing this I will get involved in doing something about it.

This kind of manipulation is the egregious form of the methods that I came here to rail against.

So please, point me to your sources.
 
Oborosen said:
I find it terrifying that you don't believe such elements as those exist in the left either.
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Y'all need to get the word out!

I can't find anything. Multiple pages using multiple variants of "liberals grooming kids online"

Nuttin'.

Think of the children!
 
Oborosen said:
No the right was more puritanical and secular. They've become more moderate and pliable in the last few decades as things have progressed.

The left on the other hand have gone so far to one side that they've become a strange shell of some fascist/authoritarian group. Who routinely contributes to large amounts of violence over the course of a year and with attack people solely on the premise of what opinion they might hold.

It's leaders and supporters pushing vehemently for such acts of violence and even actively calling for them to this day.
#punchanazi was an act of punching Nazis. However, the issue is that the left uses that as a justification to attack "anyone" that it deems a Nazi. Which can even be it's own members at times.

The mainline liberals are sick of it's become.
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The left violently knocks off hats, the right violently tears holes in people at high velocity.
 
beefheart said:
Yep, and it shows.

I have to wonder how many 13 year olds are posting here, pretending to be adults.
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At least half of the Trump supporters on this forum, no doubt. The other half are physically adults but mentally? Well...
 
What if...? said:
The left violently knocks off hats, the right violently tears holes in people at high velocity.
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"Knocking off MAGA hats is a national emergency, right wingers shooting people are meh" - every Trump supporter ever.
 
snakestretcher said:
Try reading comprehension. "But it's not like like the right [also] doesn't have this even worse". Has it sunk in now?
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Which is not what you stated. You are speaking as though it's only the right that has any issues when it comes to matters like this, which is factually false.
 
like almost everyone I knew, I’d been devastated by the 2016 election results—

^LOL^

:lamo

And they wonder why "snowflake" is a thing. :lamo
Emotionally stable people are disspointed when their guy loses, snowflakes are"devastated". lol

Most would be embarrassed by such flakiness.
 
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What if...? said:
Ao there are left wing folks using the same tools cults and terrorists use on kids they seek out online?

I would like to see the cite for that.

Not because I don't believe you, but diametrically opposed to all those dismissing this as propaganda, if the left is doing this I will get involved in doing something about it.

This kind of manipulation is the egregious form of the methods that I came here to rail against.

So please, point me to your sources.
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I'm talking about groups targeting others for violence. When it comes to internet recruitment like the one mentioned in the article. I don't even know if such actually exist in that capacity, or how one might find it.
 
What if...? said:
The left violently knocks off hats, the right violently tears holes in people at high velocity.
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If that's all you think the left does. Then not even our doctors here could possibly help you.
 
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