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[W:212,493] Another MAGA hat attack, this time 4 arrested

RaleBulgarian said:
You’re flat out lying. Trump encouraged his supporters to assault others who, Trump said, may have tomatoes they were going to throw at him.

“if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. Just knock the hell .... I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise. I promise."

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Just one of several times Trump has encouraged harassment and violence.
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So you're abiding political violence against him and saying that people aren't allowed to defend themselves when they are being assaulted?

Oh that's right regressiveism... I forgot.

Once gain. Doing your best to take things as far out of context as you can. Only reveals how desperate you are.
 
Oborosen said:
So you're abiding political violence against him and saying that people aren't allowed to defend themselves when they are being assaulted?

Oh that's right regressiveism... I forgot.

Once gain. Doing your best to take things as far out of context as you can. Only reveals how desperate you are.
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And your lying continues.

Trump said “if you see someone getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them”, not if you see someone throw a tomato. And to the point of justifying knocking the crap out of someone who throws a tomato, get real, possibly being hit by a tomato doesn’t come near justifying knocking the crap out of someone.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
You’re flat out lying. Trump encouraged his supporters to assault others who, Trump said, may have tomatoes they were going to throw at him.

“if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. Just knock the hell .... I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise. I promise."

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Just one of several times Trump has encouraged harassment and violence.
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while "knocking the crap out of them" might be the wrong approach, is he supposed to be nice to people who get ready to throw tomatoes at him at a rally of his? first off throwing an object at someone is assault, and I sure as heck would stop them from throwing the tomato if I saw it. whether they get "the crap knocked out of them" is up to what they do next.

but clearly, the tomato thrower is the instigator in this scenario.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
I was commenting on Trump, not everyone on the right.

As for which side’s extreme elements are responsible for the most violence:

Why Does the Far Right Hold a Near-Monopoly on Political Violence?
“Mark Pitcavage, a senior research fellow at the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism, told NPR that “when you look at murders committed by domestic extremists in the United States of all types, right-wing extremists are responsible for about 74 percent of those murders.”
Why Does the Far Right Hold a Near-Monopoly on Political Violence? | The Nation

The Organizational Dynamics of Far‐Right Hate Groups in the United States
“Similarly, a national survey of State law enforcement agencies concluded that there was significant concern about the activities of far-right extremist groups, and that more states reported the presence of far-right militia groups (92%), neo-Nazis (89%), and racist skinheads (89%) in their jurisdictions than Jihadi extremist groups.”

“Our research revealed that 21% of the 275 far-right hate groups included in the study had members who had committed at least one violent criminal act.”
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/f...violent-Far-Right-Hate-Groups_Dec2011-508.pdf

Plenty more reliable and verifiable sources.
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You do realize that "the right" denounces the violence of these crazies don't you? The "far right" as liberals like to call them, aren't "right" at all and they aren't a part of the right's platform whereas the ever growing violent progressive left is starting to crowd and becoming a thorn in the side of the left's platform. But why let logic and reason cloud your judgement right? :roll:
 
RaleBulgarian said:
And your lying continues.

Trump said “if you see someone getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them”, not if you see someone throw a tomato. And to the point of justifying knocking the crap out of someone who throws a tomato, get real, possibly being hit by a tomato doesn’t come near justifying knocking the crap out of someone.
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I don't think you are capable of understanding what a figure of speech is, unless you can point us to where you showed the same outrage when Obama and Holder said similar "violent" things. I'll wait...
 
Hypothetical said:
while "knocking the crap out of them" might be the wrong approach, is he supposed to be nice to people who get ready to throw tomatoes at him at a rally of his? first off throwing an object at someone is assault, and I sure as heck would stop them from throwing the tomato if I saw it. whether they get "the crap knocked out of them" is up to what they do next.

but clearly, the tomato thrower is the instigator in this scenario.
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The hypothetical tomato thrower would certainly be an instigator, and so was Trump. Encouraging supporters to use excessive violence to prevent a tomato from being thrown was uncalled for and gave an excuse to troublemakers looking for an opportunity to act out.

Let’s not pretend that Trump’s rhetoric isn’t often specifically intended to heighten negative feelings towards the media and anyone on the left.
 
Idiometer said:
Saying I'm lying is the same as calling me a liar. Not only is that rude, and incorrect BTW, but it's against forum rules. I don't do that, and I'm sick of the righties on this forum getting away with it all the time.

And my point stands: not once have I seen any of the usual Trump supporters on this forum denounce any of the many right-wing influenced mass shootings, and I've seen PLENTY of whataboutisms and other excuses, even victim blaming.

Remember the Stoneman Douglas high school shooting? There were several people on this forum who claimed that some of the students who led marches afterwards, and went public on shows like Good Morning America, were actually paid actors. What would you call that? Because I call it justification of a MAGA hat wearing nut job and condemnation of the victims.

:failpail:
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Show me.
 
RedAkston said:
You do realize that "the right" denounces the violence of these crazies don't you? The "far right" as liberals like to call them, aren't "right" at all and they aren't a part of the right's platform whereas the ever growing violent progressive left is starting to crowd and becoming a thorn in the side of the left's platform. But why let logic and reason cloud your judgement right? :roll:
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^^ Horse ****. 100% pure horse ****.

First, you falsely claim that most harassment and violence comes from the left, and now, after I’ve provided proof (something you haven’t done) that it’s the far right that is most violent, you say that the far right aren’t actually the far right. Wrong. The left didn’t label the far/alt right, they did it themselves. And as for condemning acts of violence goes, mainstream Republicans and Democrats speak out when anyone from the fringes harms someone.

RedAkston said:
I don't think you are capable of understanding what a figure of speech is, unless you can point us to where you showed the same outrage when Obama and Holder said similar "violent" things. I'll wait...
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^^ Failing to make a cogent argument, shifts to whataboutism. Classic Trumpster obfuscation technique. :roll:
 
RaleBulgarian said:
The hypothetical tomato thrower would certainly be an instigator, and so was Trump. Encouraging supporters to use excessive violence to prevent a tomato from being thrown was uncalled for and gave an excuse to troublemakers looking for an opportunity to act out.

Let’s not pretend that Trump’s rhetoric isn’t often specifically intended to heighten negative feelings towards the media and anyone on the left.
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great, but there's no need to overreact to it. it's just NY style old school tough talk.
 
Grim17 said:
No it isn't.

Calling someone a "liar" is an assault on a person's overall character. It's saying that they lie all of the time and their words can't ever be trusted. Saying that someone lied, or is lying, refers to the lack of honesty on a particular statement they made, not that everything they say is lie.

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Semantics.

I was called a liar. It was rude. Period.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
^^ Horse ****. 100% pure horse ****.

First, you falsely claim that most harassment and violence comes from the left, and now, after I’ve provided proof (something you haven’t done) that it’s the far right that is most violent, you say that the far right aren’t actually the far right. Wrong. The left didn’t label the far/alt right, they did it themselves. And as for condemning acts of violence goes, mainstream Republicans and Democrats speak out when anyone from the fringes harms someone.


^^ Failing to make a cogent argument, shifts to whataboutism. Classic Trumpster obfuscation technique. :roll:
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Reality check, aisle 1 please.
 
Hypothetical said:
great, but there's no need to overreact to it. it's just NY style old school tough talk.
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You get it, and I get it. That doesn’t make it acceptable though, and for some folks, Trump’s rhetoric reenforces and heightens their belief that action is called for.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
You better hurry over to aisle 1 to get yours.
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Oh, I'm not the one here who clearly needs a reality check.

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RaleBulgarian said:
You get it, and I get it. That doesn’t make it acceptable though, and for some folks, Trump’s rhetoric reenforces and heightens their belief that action is called for.
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well then maybe, if you get it, you should help calm those people down and assure them Trump is not actually acting like a Nazi... before they do something unwise they will regret.

if i could stop every bit of "right wing violence" i sure would stop every one of them. I cannot though because they mostly are a small group of very troubled individuals whom I do not know. )(meaning like the insane shooters.. I do speak uot against actual supremacists).

Your side however, for which this idea of doing something< ANYTHING to stop Trump, is much more prevalent and you may have a chance to calm the situation before it goes nuclear.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
Says the guy in denial about fringe elements of his own party.:roll:
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I don't belong to a party so you're wrong, yet again. It must suck to be wrong all the time.
 
Hypothetical said:
well then maybe, if you get it, you should help calm those people down and assure them Trump is not actually acting like a Nazi... before they do something unwise they will regret.
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I have not, and never will, attend a Trump rally. That’s for Trump supporters like you to deal with.

Hypothetical said:
if i could stop every bit of "right wing violence" i sure would stop every one of them. I cannot though because they mostly are a small group of very troubled individuals whom I do not know. )(meaning like the insane shooters.. I do speak uot against actual supremacists)..
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Yeah, I speak out against extremist violence too. And that’s all most of us can do. Those, like Trump, who have a large platform bear the responsibility that comes along with that platform to promote unity, not division, which is what Trump constantly and consistently does.

Hypothetical said:
Your side however, for which this idea of doing something< ANYTHING to stop Trump, is much more prevalent and you may have a chance to calm the situation before it goes nuclear.
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Perhaps you didn’t notice, I don’t have a side in politics. I also have no control over how anyone acts.
 
RedAkston said:
So why is most of the harassment and violence coming from the left?
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RedAkston said:
You do realize that "the right" denounces the violence of these crazies don't you? The "far right" as liberals like to call them, aren't "right" at all and they aren't a part of the right's platform whereas the ever growing violent progressive left is starting to crowd and becoming a thorn in the side of the left's platform. But why let logic and reason cloud your judgement right? :roll:
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RedAkston said:
I don't think you are capable of understanding what a figure of speech is, unless you can point us to where you showed the same outrage when Obama and Holder said similar "violent" things. I'll wait...
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RedAkston said:
I don't belong to a party so you're wrong, yet again. It must suck to be wrong all the time.
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Your posts clearly indicate a strong right bent. You would know. Actually, you wouldn’t know (anything). :lamo
 
Free Speech is NOT violence. Wearing a hat IS NOT VIOLENCE. Assaulting a person IS VIOLENCE.

 
ajn678 said:
Show me.
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Are you kidding? Even if I knew how to find years' old stuff, why would I?

Ask some of the obvious Trumpsters here who have been here since before that shooting. I'm too old to remember the user names. (They say the memory is the second thing b to go ... I forgot what the first thing was. :) )
 
RaleBulgarian said:
Your posts clearly indicate a strong right bent. You would know. Actually, you wouldn’t know (anything). :lamo
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So because I don't call Trump a Nazi, I don't call his supporters Nazis and I don't hate both with every fiber of my being I have a "strong right bent"? I used to be a Republican in my younger days. I "left" the party during the Bush 43 administration though because fiscal responsibility is the lie that the Republican party sells the masses and it's complete and utter bull****. Sure, they're more fiscally conservative than the Dems are, but they're not what they portray themselves to be, not at all.

I most likely identify more with the middle to Libertarian "crowd", but I'm absolutely not a member of the Republican party, which is the incorrect point of yours that I was addressing.

So is there anything else you'd like to be wrong about or have you had enough for one day?
 
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