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[W:212,493] Another MAGA hat attack, this time 4 arrested

Gondwanaland said:
I see, so Trump forced these 'lovely' liberal ladies to have a mental breakdown over a HAT? That's some deep MKULTRA stuff there, bud. Better look out, the men in black might be paying you a visit soon for figuring it out!
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This thread really highlights "adults" who dont grasp "personal responsibillity" for their own actions and choices. "The bad Orange man, made me do it".
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
It's not a hate crime if you attack people based on characteristics they do have control over. There can be no civility with a cult of racists who want to destroy democratic and Democratic institutions.
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Well we'll have to let those folks who have been charged with hate crimes against Muslims go, since religion is something one has control over. Didn't think that one through very well didya?
 
PoppyCock said:
I comprehend just fine, you are playing lukewarm, You "condemn" it but the go on to call it "understandable".

Your stance is perfectly clear, dont pitch a hissy fit for me pointing out the obvious. Just man up and own it. You either condemn it, or you dont. It's obvious you dont or you would not need a "but" qualifier. I was born at night but not last night.
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No hissy fit here.....

There are just some things that happen in life where, while wrong as ****, are still understandable.
 
PoppyCock said:
Rob a bank and blame the bad Orange man, or grow up and act as a man who pilots his own ship. Obama was far more divisive, yet no adults blame him for their OWN DAMNED ACTIONS AND CHOICES.
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When did Obama EVER call for violence against another person? Because there is documentation of our current President doing so.
 
bullseyelqcs said:
When did Obama EVER call for violence against another person? Because there is documentation of our current President doing so.
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"they bring a knife, we bring a gun"

"you've got to get in their faces"

Seriously?

Remember the Dallas BLM police sniper, killed 5 officers, Remember Obama's anti police rhetoric? Selective memory?
 
PoppyCock said:
Rob a bank and blame the bad Orange man, or grow up and act as a man who pilots his own ship. Obama was far more divisive, yet no adults blame him for their OWN DAMNED ACTIONS AND CHOICES.
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It is incredible that on one hand Trump supporters blame the media for causing distorted views of Trump and on the other hand you say people have their own damned actions and choices. You cannot have it both ways.

My experience in life, and it has been vast, has shown that people follow suggestions, follow ideas, follow leaders, and try to mimic those they respect and love in life. As such, you are totally wrong that people in general make their own choices and actions. Some do (like myself) but generally speaking they follow someone else's ideas and goals.
 
ajn678 said:
Weird, Trump has been President for a couple years now and I never felt more likely to attack someone at all.
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I see, does that mean that you are not ardently against illegal immigration, more so than 5 or 10 years ago? You do not despise the Democrats a bit more than you did when Bush was president?

You may not be a violent man by nature and that would suggest that your instinct isn't to attack someone but most people are not that way.
 
haymarket said:
In which post did I advocate for or justify an assault which had already taken place?

I simply accept reality. There is a war going on and when people don the uniform they become participants in that war and they will get treated accordingly. Understand ing is not justifying anything - it is merely the way of the world and nothing you nor I can say in the way of personal pompous pontifications can change that. It simply is what is.
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There is no "war going on in this country" and a MAGA hat is not a "uniform", it's just a hat. As for your comment about "they will get treated accordingly", are you sure you want to go there?

In this thread, you've posted the most ridiculous and false claims repeatedly. Violence is not the answer and Trump is not the problem. We're all responsible for our own actions and words have meaning.
 
Luckyone said:
I see, does that mean that you are not ardently against illegal immigration, more so than 5 or 10 years ago? You do not despise the Democrats a bit more than you did when Bush was president?

You may not be a violent man by nature and that would suggest that your instinct isn't to attack someone but most people are not that way.
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I don't change my viewpoints based on who the President is. That doesn't make any sense.

Also to the bold, most people do not go out and attack people, especially for what the other person is wearing.
 
ajn678 said:
I don't change my viewpoints based on who the President is. That doesn't make any sense.

Also to the bold, most people do not go out and attack people, especially for what the other person is wearing.
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You remember Heaven's gate? that was a cult where everyone committed suicide at the bequest of the leader. Check it out. In addition, how many suicide bombers have you read about in the last 10 years. They kill themselves while killing others because they have been told they will get 70 virgins in their afterlife. Most people in some way are susceptible to others whose personalities are strong. In fact I would say perhaps 40% given that is about the number of Trump supporters that would still believe in him even if he killed a family (kids and all) on 5th Ave. You still believe most people have a mind of their own? Not by a long shot and this message board is proof of that.
 
Luckyone said:
You remember Heaven's gate? that was a cult where everyone committed suicide at the bequest of the leader. Check it out. In addition, how many suicide bombers have you read about in the last 10 years. They kill themselves while killing others because they have been told they will get 70 virgins in their afterlife. Most people in some way are susceptible to others whose personalities are strong. In fact I would say perhaps 40% given that is about the number of Trump supporters that would still believe in him even if he killed a family (kids and all) on 5th Ave. You still believe most people have a mind of their own? Not by a long shot and this message board is proof of that.
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lol ok
 
PoppyCock said:
"they bring a knife, we bring a gun"
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The implication being that violence has come to you, and not to fight it on thier terms. He didn't call you to go out and start that ****. Not even close to the same thing. Nice attempt though.

"you've got to get in their faces"
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Confrontation doesn't have to come to violence at every turn. I will, however, grant you that this was a poor choice of phrase.

Seriously?
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Yes, seriously.

Remember the Dallas BLM police sniper, killed 5 officers, Remember Obama's anti police rhetoric? Selective memory?
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When, in any of those speeches did he EVER call for someone to go out and harm an officer directly. Again, Trump explicitly called for his supporters to bring physical harm to political opposition. That you are trying so hard to shoehorn Obamas comments into the same box should show you that its not really even close. My memory isn't selective, its able to properly assess the differences in the comments being made.
 
RedAkston said:
There is no "war going on in this country" and a MAGA hat is not a "uniform", it's just a hat. As for your comment about "they will get treated accordingly", are you sure you want to go there?

In this thread, you've posted the most ridiculous and false claims repeatedly. Violence is not the answer and Trump is not the problem. We're all responsible for our own actions and words have meaning.
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I would definitely disagree with swinging the needle back this far to the other side. The MAGA hat is very easily seen as a symbol of hate - against the LGBT community, against immigrants, against people who aren't Christian, against minorities of all colors, etc...so, if someone is the violent type, this is understandably going to press their button. I don't condone violence against people who aren't being violent or advocating violence, so I'm not excusing anything, but it's not "just a hat" and "Make America Great Again" doesn't seem have anything to do with literally, actually making America great again.

Trump is certainly a problem, but definitely not the only problem. Trump is a catalyst, but he's also our President, and he has a very large platform as such, from which he spouts ridiculous lies and hateful messages, and attempts to legislate at least some of it.
 
Luckyone said:
It is incredible that on one hand Trump supporters blame the media for causing distorted views of Trump and on the other hand you say people have their own damned actions and choices. You cannot have it both ways.

My experience in life, and it has been vast, has shown that people follow suggestions, follow ideas, follow leaders, and try to mimic those they respect and love in life. As such, you are totally wrong that people in general make their own choices and actions. Some do (like myself) but generally speaking they follow someone else's ideas and goals.
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Well, aren't you just such a special exception to the rule? My life experience is one of asking myself, "is this a good idea to emulate"? Should i have my own. original idea?

My 3rd grade guidance counselor, told my mother that I "march to the beat of my own drummer" and not much has changed, in that regards.
 
nekrodev said:
I would definitely disagree with swinging the needle back this far to the other side. The MAGA hat is very easily seen as a symbol of hate - against the LGBT community, against immigrants, against people who aren't Christian, against minorities of all colors, etc...so, if someone is the violent type, this is understandably going to press their button. I don't condone violence against people who aren't being violent or advocating violence, so I'm not excusing anything, but it's not "just a hat" and "Make America Great Again" doesn't seem have anything to do with literally, actually making America great again.

Trump is certainly a problem, but definitely not the only problem. Trump is a catalyst, but he's also our President, and he has a very large platform as such, from which he spouts ridiculous lies and hateful messages, and attempts to legislate at least some of it.
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The moment the "but" entered the picture, you justified violence.
 
Luckyone said:
It is not necessarily the words on the hat but the symbolism that it represents. Someone wearing that hat supports Trump and anyone that supports Trump has a problem with either the truth or with what they believe in.

It is as simple as that.

The hat doesn't bother me but the person wearing the hat would not be someone I would want to associate with or even have a conversation.
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All I hear is "I want to attack and steal from people because I interpreted something"
 
haymarket said:
In which post did I advocate for or justify an assault which had already taken place?

I simply accept reality. There is a war going on and when people don the uniform they become participants in that war and they will get treated accordingly. Understand ing is not justifying anything - it is merely the way of the world and nothing you nor I can say in the way of personal pompous pontifications can change that. It simply is what is.
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You are honestly starting to sound like a school shooter. "There is a war going on and redhats = the enemy uniform"

Im pretty sure in 20 years you guys will morph it to "All hats that are red are evil"
 
Luckyone said:
I am blaming Trump for stimulating hate across the board, on both sides. Keep in mind that if you throw hate out there (Mexicans, Muslims, Black and African sh**hole countries, Democrats, Opponents, etc) you will have hate increase across the board (If the Presidents hates and gets aways with it, why can't I?).

If you stimulate belief in the law, in the constitution, in our institutions, in people in general you will get the same back from them. The opposite is also true).

This is not even a question, it is a general fact.

How many people do you know that if slapped will not slap back. If they see you steal without repercussions they will steal themselves, and if the president does hate, so will you.
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If you see your dad slapping your mom are you gonna do it too?
 
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dirtpoorchris said:
If you see your dad slapping your mom are you gonna do it too?
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it is actually entirely probable that growing up and seeing your mom abused, especially if no one ever stops it or has the law involved, that you will continue that behavior, because you learned that it was essentially normal, or that it "worked" for whatever reason it was used for. that's pretty well understood.
 
PoppyCock said:
Well, aren't you just such a special exception to the rule? My life experience is one of asking myself, "is this a good idea to emulate"? Should i have my own. original idea?

My 3rd grade guidance counselor, told my mother that I "march to the beat of my own drummer" and not much has changed, in that regards.
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Is that why you believe Trump is God?
 
dirtpoorchris said:
All I hear is "I want to attack and steal from people because I interpreted something"
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I see. Does that mean that if you are walking in the street and see a hooded and masked man coming at you, you don't react?
 
Gondwanaland said:
I see, so Trump forced these 'lovely' liberal ladies to have a mental breakdown over a HAT? That's some deep MKULTRA stuff there, bud. Better look out, the men in black might be paying you a visit soon for figuring it out!
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I do not remember using the word FORCE. But Trump certainly is the inspiration and ultimate cause of it all.
 
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