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Does anyone else here think that Al Gore was the legitimate winner of the 2000 election?

Mcgovern_Gore

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I always feel 2000 was one of the biggest turning point elections our country had. Even though it was almost 20 years ago I feel our country is still feeling the effects of it and the policies of the Bush administration.

It was such a close election and the recount was handled in such a partisan way it comes as no surprise that a lot of people to this day feel George W. Bush was not the genuine winner.

I feel Al Gore was the genuine winner of this election and it's a shame we were deprived of someone who was a staunch climate change believer. some younger people at the time thought Gore wasn't progressive enough or too much of a corporate democrat so they either stayed home or voted third party not fully realizing what that would lead to (sound familiar?).

I sometimes wonder what kind of an impact an Al Gore presidency would have had on our country. As much as one can speculate it's still worth noting most people (both republicans and democrats) feel a Gore presidency would have been better than the one W. Bush had.
 
I always feel 2000 was one of the biggest turning point elections our country had. Even though it was almost 20 years ago I feel our country is still feeling the effects of it and the policies of the Bush administration.

It was such a close election and the recount was handled in such a partisan way it comes as no surprise that a lot of people to this day feel George W. Bush was not the genuine winner.

I feel Al Gore was the genuine winner of this election and it's a shame we were deprived of someone who was a staunch climate change believer. some younger people at the time thought Gore wasn't progressive enough or too much of a corporate democrat so they either stayed home or voted third party not fully realizing what that would lead to (sound familiar?).

I sometimes wonder what kind of an impact an Al Gore presidency would have had on our country. As much as one can speculate it's still worth noting most people (both republicans and democrats) feel a Gore presidency would have been better than the one W. Bush had.

Ask "Chad".
 
I always feel 2000 was one of the biggest turning point elections our country had. Even though it was almost 20 years ago I feel our country is still feeling the effects of it and the policies of the Bush administration.

It was such a close election and the recount was handled in such a partisan way it comes as no surprise that a lot of people to this day feel George W. Bush was not the genuine winner.

I feel Al Gore was the genuine winner of this election and it's a shame we were deprived of someone who was a staunch climate change believer. some younger people at the time thought Gore wasn't progressive enough or too much of a corporate democrat so they either stayed home or voted third party not fully realizing what that would lead to (sound familiar?).

I sometimes wonder what kind of an impact an Al Gore presidency would have had on our country. As much as one can speculate it's still worth noting most people (both republicans and democrats) feel a Gore presidency would have been better than the one W. Bush had.

I think there is between a 15-30% chance and I've researched it a lot. It depends on what you count as a permissible vote, but it was good for our voting system because it exposed a lot of potential problems and paved the way for a number of subsequent (though smaller/local) recounts.
 
I always feel 2000 was one of the biggest turning point elections our country had. Even though it was almost 20 years ago I feel our country is still feeling the effects of it and the policies of the Bush administration.

It was such a close election and the recount was handled in such a partisan way it comes as no surprise that a lot of people to this day feel George W. Bush was not the genuine winner.

I feel Al Gore was the genuine winner of this election and it's a shame we were deprived of someone who was a staunch climate change believer. some younger people at the time thought Gore wasn't progressive enough or too much of a corporate democrat so they either stayed home or voted third party not fully realizing what that would lead to (sound familiar?).

I sometimes wonder what kind of an impact an Al Gore presidency would have had on our country. As much as one can speculate it's still worth noting most people (both republicans and democrats) feel a Gore presidency would have been better than the one W. Bush had.

I was one of those people that did not pull the lever for Hillary, and I still don't regret that, not one bit. I also would have voted for Al if I hadn't been only fifteen at the time. I'm not aware of any sort of prevalent anti-neoliberal sentiment going on at the time of that election. The first time I noticed any such sentiment was towards the end of the Obama administration. I became dissillusioned with the Democratic party as time went on, as public discourse started to veer more to the right, and as the Democrats chased the Tea-Party/Republicans off of a cliff, and I began to notice a pattern in the major parties changing hands.

Had the Democrats a viable message, and had they given the public more to chew on than 'we're not Republican', we might, at the very least, not have seen George W win his second term in office, and we sure as hell wouldn't have elected Donald Trump. Sanders excited the base and brought people out to vote in the primary that would never have otherwise voted. People can gripe about the Sanders supporters who didn't vote, or didn't vote Democrat in the general, but that was never going to happen, anyway, especially with how politically tone-deaf Clinton was/is.

You want to stop Trump in the next election? Great, give independants and people who normally don't bother with politics a reason to feel that they should. You can't shame most of these folks into submission, and neither will appearing to fear, regardless of how many this president steps into deeply authoritarian territory. The only way to win these people over is to convince them that 1) getting out of bed to vote will have a real and measurable impact on their lives and 2) the candidate in question has what it takes to win credibility for both the left and the Democratic party.

The main reason why we can't simply focus on defeating Trump . . . is because we'd be kicking that can down the road. Back in 2000, a lot of us couldn't imagine a warmonger-in-chief worse than George W. To be fair, George's death-count is far higher, but now we've got supposedly left-leaning outlets waxing poetic about the visage of bombs.

That said, I'll be voting Democrat regardless of whether or not a yellow dog is running as the nominee. I felt that rejecting Hillary was vital for the future of the left, but rejecting the 'lesser evil' this time would not reap any benfits worth giving that asshat another four years. I think, however, that our best hope in beating Donald Trump is through a candidate with the policies and credibility to light a fire under the asses of those who would otherwise feel that their participation is worthless. If we nominate someone who substitutes platitudes and claims of their character in the place of of substitive policy proposals and a consistent history with being on the 'right' side of the issues.
 
I actually agree with what you said and to be clear I'm not shaming people who vote third party. 2016 was the first election i was able to vote in and I voted for Bernie Sanders in the primary and Jill Stein in the general election. I will be voting for the Democratic nominee in the upcoming election. One can make a valid arguement that those third party votes (in both 2000 and 2016) could have prevented the Republican nominee from being president of they had been cast for either Gore or Clinton.

I read about the 2000 election and someone mentioned that there was a strong sentiment that both parties were the same (There was a music video from 2000 by Rage Against the Machine called Testify that shows Al Gore and Bush saying the same things and being bought by corporate america) Ralph Nader also did pretty well in the general election and his votes most likely would have gone to Gore if he had not been running.

I never blame or shame people that vote because I believe in democracy and that includes respecting other people's voting decisions even if I disagree with them
 
I always feel 2000 was one of the biggest turning point elections our country had. Even though it was almost 20 years ago I feel our country is still feeling the effects of it and the policies of the Bush administration.

It was such a close election and the recount was handled in such a partisan way it comes as no surprise that a lot of people to this day feel George W. Bush was not the genuine winner.

I feel Al Gore was the genuine winner of this election and it's a shame we were deprived of someone who was a staunch climate change believer. some younger people at the time thought Gore wasn't progressive enough or too much of a corporate democrat so they either stayed home or voted third party not fully realizing what that would lead to (sound familiar?).

I sometimes wonder what kind of an impact an Al Gore presidency would have had on our country. As much as one can speculate it's still worth noting most people (both republicans and democrats) feel a Gore presidency would have been better than the one W. Bush had.

We dodged a bullet when Gore lost. Though Gore's danger wasn't as great as Hillary's would have been. Unfortunately, Gore losing gave motivation to the constant efforts to unseat and minimize Bush, gave us Obama for 8 years and brought on the corruption of the Obama administration and the efforts to unseat Trump that we see today.

All that because people couldn't accept defeat...not with Gore and not with Hillary.
 
We dodged a bullet when Gore lost. Though Gore's danger wasn't as great as Hillary's would have been. Unfortunately, Gore losing gave motivation to the constant efforts to unseat and minimize Bush, gave us Obama for 8 years and brought on the corruption of the Obama administration and the efforts to unseat Trump that we see today.

All that because people couldn't accept defeat...not with Gore and not with Hillary.

Why do you think Gore was worse than Bush?
I understand your a conservative but even though I'm a liberal I can be objective with presidents for example although Bush is blamed by some people for the 2008 recession it was in fact Bill Clinton's rolling back of banking regulations that led to it.
I think it's obvious there is in fact a media bias against conservatives and my father (who is a republican) told me that even when he was little he remembers the media going after Nixon and Reagan much more than anyone on the left despite the fact both presidents were very popular with the public (both Nixon and Reagan won huge re-election victories with both carrying 49 of 50 states in the electoral college). My father also believes both Nixon and Reagan were great presidents.

Now even though my father is a conservative and voted for Bush in the 2000 election he told me there is no doubt he is one of the worst presidents in his lifetime and looking back he wishes Gore was president. Although I disagree with him politically I think it's very telling that someone that always votes Republican voted democrat in 2004 and saw just how bad a president he was.
Bush did a lot of damage (much more than Trump ever could) and I think it will be a long time before we fully recover from his presidency.
 
Bush is blamed by some people for the 2008 recession it was in fact Bill Clinton's rolling back of banking regulations that led to it.

This statement it false. There was not a single cause for the crisis despite the convenience of trying to find one. And arguably Presidents played SOME part in causing the crisis but far less than even 33%. Banking industry and Fed and others played no lesser role. And Bush DID have 8 years to prevent it if he wanted to and if he thought it was wrong. Clinton's actions with respect to deregulation in this area and affordable housing was part of the problem indeed but same can be said of the Presidents before and Bush after. Overall, I believe Bush was definitely more at fault than Clinton, if you just compare the two given that multitude of the causes for the crisis festered under his Presidency for 8 years.

Anyway, to your specific point, here is one good writeup you might want to check out.
 
I was one of those people that did not pull the lever for Hillary, and I still don't regret that, not one bit.
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That said, I'll be voting Democrat regardless of whether or not a yellow dog is running as the nominee. I felt that rejecting Hillary was vital for the future of the left, but rejecting the 'lesser evil' this time would not reap any benfits worth giving that asshat another four years.

I actually agree with what you said and to be clear I'm not shaming people who vote third party.

It was quite clear to me and I think many people what Trump presidency would be. I am happy we have not had a nuclear exchange yet, but I would not be surprised in the least if / when we do as things get worse for Trump. As we know, he had already been inquiring into attacking certain nations and security advisors are just shaking heads. Even without the war, Trump is going to kill way more people via his dismantling of EPA, and less directly via his dismantling of FDA and Education system.

Hillary is definitely not personable and she comes with a baggage of those emails (pfft) and other scandals (for which she had been investigated by Republicans for decades), but heck, for all her corruption, Trump is clearly way more corrupt and swampy. And most importantly she would not be the clear and present danger to the US like Trump is.

I am all for 3rd parties when candidates on 2 sides are comparable and, well, qualified. But 2016 was the wrong election to NOT vote Dem.
 
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