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Ilhan Omar claims US forces killed 'thousands' of Somalis during 'Black Hawk Down' mission

Even if she was correct she should start acting like she is on our side.

From someone who supports Trump, the guy who stood on stage in Helsinki, united with Russia against the entire American Intelligence community. :lamo
 
What for? We paid you back for everything you either sold or lent us; every last penny-with interest. You had no choice but to enter the war, and you did it for selfish reasons, no altruism involved. I expect you know that Hitler had plans for America too?

Not exactly. Most of lend-lease was an accounting fiction, a fig-leaf for aid that was never really given with expectation that the US would be fully compensated. The British Empire got over 31 billion in aid (60 percent of all lend lease), but only several billion was actually repaid (the "return" of useable war material was negligible, and the material retained by the UK was "sold" to them at a 90 percent discount).

Even the interest on the post-war loan was insubstantial, at 2 percent per year.

Of course the U.S. initially had a choice to enter or not enter the war, but it was then a choice settled by the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and Germany's declaration of war on the U.S (three says later). If the Japanese had only struck British and Dutch outposts in the Pacific, who knows if the US would have ever entered the war or what the outcome for the UK might have been?

Although I am American by birth, I don't expect a another "Thanks USA" nod, thanks have been given more than once by British officials (including in 2006, when the last payoff for a loan was made). But I would expect a little more historical understanding from you. Until WWII the U.S. was not a world power, it had enormous potential BUT Americans were more or less isolationist, they did not view themselves as part of the old world and its bitter rivalries. Europeans were "them": elitist, aristocratic, feuding, often undemocratic, colonialist, and in the habit of falling into major continental warfare at least once or twice every century. The "common man" of the US had little desire for foreign entanglements outside of the new world. If the European Kraut, Frogs, and Limey's wanted to kill each other, who were "we" to get involved in their ancient animosities?

So yes, the fact that the US got sucked into a European war many had attempted to dodge AND then generously devoted a great deal of its GDP to protecting Western Europe and British holdings in the Pacific and Asia did create an edge of resentment - as did the massive Marshall Plan provided to all of Europe (including the UK) after the war.

Still, US involvement in WII was certainty a blessing for western Europe, one that lasted till at least the collapse of Soviet communism. And it was probably a good thing for the US - a post-war world of a Europe occupied by Nazi Germany or Communist Russia being nearly unthinkable.

So you don't have to say thank you, but you do need to recognize that the US saved Europe more than Europe saved the US.
 
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No one has ever defeated the British unlike the Yanks who have lost plenty including the Korean War, Bay of Pigs, Vietnam, it was a combined effort in the great wars, you could never have defeated Germany on your own.

Perhaps, but I can also say that Britain could not have won the war without US. In fact I have very good reasons to believe so.

So, no, you didn't save us from Nazi conquest. You turned up a few years too late after both Japan and Germany declared war against the US; you had no option but to get involved in WW2. Up until then you were quite happy to remain on the sidelines-there were even moves to align America with Nazi Germany...
Hitler'''s Influence in the US Was Greater Than You May Think | Time

It doesnt matter that the US only started to join after a few years. Nor that she had "no option but to". The fact is the US did help out the Brits, and it is quite probable that this is what saved Britain from the Nazis. And yes it's a conjecture on my part, but to me it makes sense.
Talk about US military fail; Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq etc, etc. I'll concede mighty Grenada; that was a military tour de force:lamo
But he did not say US never lost any wars, though.

Welcome to America, where we don't lock people up for Tweets that mention an inflated number of people being killed in a mission.
I agree with you we shouldn't lock people up for that. But have you ever stopped to wonder why Omar is so quick to criticize US? I am not saying she can't. I am just saying that this immigrant woman does not seem to identify herself as being a part of the US.
What for? We paid you back for everything you either sold or lent us; every last penny-with interest. You had no choice but to enter the war, and you did it for selfish reasons, no altruism involved. I expect you know that Hitler had plans for America too?
None of this changes the fact the US helped out Britain in the war.

Agreed on the math, but to condemn one politician for exaggerating while never holding another politician responsible for exaggerating is dishonest.
Or maybe it's because that other politician is not the topic of thread. The topic of this thread is about Omar and why she seems to hate the US.


Tres Borrachos was a racehorse. Of course I've posted that a few hundred times since I joined this board 7 years ago. But hey, why acknowledge facts when you can pretend to be clever?
So what you have been saying it for 7 years? Maybe he had never paid attention to you or your posts. Not saying you are not important or that your posts un-interesting, of course.
 
Yeah, but I was born here. So, tough ****. :lamo

Better you than me. Much much better.

The world's most liveable cities in 2018

Osaka, Japan.
Calgary, Canada.
Sydney, Australia.
Vancouver, Canada. <---- me :)
7. ( tie) Toronto, Canada.
7. ( tie) Tokyo, Japan.
Copenhagen, Denmark.
Adelaide, Australia.


Jesus. Almost forgot: :lamo
 
Better you than me. Much much better.

The world's most liveable cities in 2018

Osaka, Japan.
Calgary, Canada.
Sydney, Australia.
Vancouver, Canada. <---- me :)
7. ( tie) Toronto, Canada.
7. ( tie) Tokyo, Japan.
Copenhagen, Denmark.
Adelaide, Australia.


Jesus. Almost forgot: :lamo

I don't live in a city, so I'm not sure what your point is.
 
Uh, what?

There were not similar internments for German and Italian Americans.

Internment is internment. How different are they?

If I'm not mistaken, the Japanese that were interned were poorly treated.
Didn't some of them get their property confiscated?
I don't know if that happened too with the Germans and Italians.


Brief Overview of the World War II Enemy Alien Control Program

Immediately after the bombing of Pearl Harbor, President Roosevelt issued Presidential Proclamations 2525, 2526, and 2527 to authorize the United States to detain allegedly potentially dangerous enemy aliens. The FBI and other law enforcement agencies arrested thousands of suspected enemy aliens, mostly individuals of German, Italian, or Japanese ancestry, living throughout the United States.

The Department of Justice oversaw the processing of the cases and the internment program. Although many were released or paroled after hearings before a local alien enemy hearing board, for many the adversarial hearings resulted in internment that, in a few cases, lasted beyond the end of World War II. Of those interned, there was evidence that some had pro-Axis sympathies. Many others were interned based on weak evidence or unsubstantiated accusations of which they were never told or had little power to refute. Often families, including naturalized or American-born spouses and children, of those interned voluntarily joined them in internment.

Not all remained in internment for the entire war. The Department of Justice reviewed individual internee cases and granted parole to some of the internees. Several thousand internees chose to or were forced to repatriate to the country of their nationality, Italy, Germany or Japan. Some pursued legal means to fight for due process, avoid repatriation, and be released.
World War II Enemy Alien Control Program Overview | National Archives



Some of them voluntarily entered internment - I suppose because they fear for their own safety with the populace. Maybe they feel safer to be in camps.
 
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And today the USA has a POTUS who publicly supported these people by declaring that some NeoNazis and KKK members are "very fine people".

How the times have changed, eh?

Trump Defends White-Nationalist Protesters: 'Some Very Fine People on both sides'

I wasn't even talking about Trump, why did you bring him up? Sounds like you are obsessed with him.

Also, that the US helped out Britain is a fact. Do you dispute this?

Or perhaps hypocrites refuse to see the context of their posts.

Huh? Not sure what you are saying.
 
No one has ever defeated the British unlike the Yanks who have lost plenty including the Korean War, Bay of Pigs, Vietnam, it was a combined effort in the great wars, you could never have defeated Germany on your own.

LOL, we were saving YOUR asses.
 
No worries. I'm certain sane, intelligent and educated adults can follow the conversation. :)

Asking you what you meant is no admission that I am insane, stupid and un-educated. But I see you were offended.
 
Asking you what you meant is no admission that I am insane, stupid and un-educated. But I see you were offended.

Correct. What does that have to do with my statement? No worries, I'm not offended by your inability to follow the conversation. However, it does appear you are offended at being called on it. If so, I apologize. I know kids get on these forums and I address my posts as if all were adults.
 
Not really, since I've actually spent my life keeping our country strong. What have you done for our country, lately?

Strong really isn't our problem. My question is, what have you done to keep our country just? That's not snark, it's just a question. I'm not saying this about you, but sometimes the 'strong' part can lead to a sort of arrogance and moral indifference that just assumes we're always right, and any violence we do is justified, when that is not the case. You CAN both serve in the military AND care about justice - some do, not all. Something military should think about.
 
Correct. What does that have to do with my statement? No worries, I'm not offended by your inability to follow the conversation. However, it does appear you are offended at being called on it. If so, I apologize. I know kids get on these forums and I address my posts as if all were adults.

Keep in mind that even though I responded to you, not once did I say anything insulting or uncivilized. But in your post #189, you implied that I was insane, stupid and un-educated, when all I did was express that I did not understand what you said. And then in this very post, you insulted me again by insinuating that I 1. cannot follow a conversation and that 2. I am a child. And I almost forgot, in your post # 184, you implied I was a hypocrite.

Can you please tell me why you are so insistent on insulting people?
 
Keep in mind that even though I responded to you, not once did I say anything insulting or uncivilized. But in your post #189, you implied that I was insane, stupid and un-educated, when all I did was express that I did not understand what you said. And then in this very post, you insulted me again by insinuating that I 1. cannot follow a conversation and that 2. I am a child. And I almost forgot, in your post # 184, you implied I was a hypocrite.

Can you please tell me why you are so insistent on insulting people?

/// in your post #184, you implied I was a hypocrite ///// <----- Highly doubtful when one considers post #184 was authored by tosca. :2razz:
 
/// in your post #184, you implied I was a hypocrite ///// <----- Highly doubtful when one considers post #184 was authored by Tosca.

Typo. Should be 183.
 
Typo. Should be 183.

Nothing in 183 that indicates in any manner an implication you are being called a hypocrite. Seems to be a generic comment which could be addressed to anyone. Your name isn't even mentioned in post 183.
 
Thanks for admitting an American died on British soil, once again proving you were wrong. :)

BTW, ever notice that no one runs around claiming to be "British-American"? Plenty claim to be Irish-American, Polish-American, German-American, etc but not British. Why do you think that is?


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Ohhhh dear, I bet you have never been out out your Country, you do realize that Britain is not a Country :lol: how could you possibly be British American.....couldn't make it up and Northern Ireland is part of Britain....if you dont know that then I fear for your lack of knowledge when it comes to history.
 
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