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Bernie Sanders says felons, even Boston Marathon bomber, should have right to vote in prison

Finch said:
I completely agree with this. I like Bernie, I believe he genuinely wants to make changes to improve middle class America but he definitely did not think this one through....
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That was not his first blunder, and it won't be his last. The man is a drooling moron.
 
Bucky said:
Bernie Sanders: Boston bomber, felons in prison deserve right to vote

What a disgrace. Senator Sanders looking out for the rights of terrorists, pedophiles, murderers, and the worst of worst in our society. These are monsters that are not redeemable in life. They will stay in prison for the rest of their lives. He should be ashamed of himself.
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Democrats want felons, kids, illegals, dead people, aliens and anyone else they can get registered or keep registered to vote as long as they vote democrat.
 
GreatNews2night said:
You're right. Cockamamie Ideas is accurate. Bernie Sanders is a moron. I've been saying it over and over. Maybe now people will believe me.
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I wouldn't say moron, but yeah...maybe a little too idealistic and slightly delusional.
Here's what I like about Bernie, his FDR New Deal ideas.
He's slowly but surely burning the house they live in to the ground by pouring the gasoline of ridiculous ideas all over it and lighting matches though.

I don't want the FDR cake for dessert if I have to lick the dog crap icing off to get to the cake.
 
marke said:
Democrats want felons, kids, illegals, dead people, aliens and anyone else they can get registered or keep registered to vote as long as they vote democrat.
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No, Democrats don't - but Republicans DON'T want millions of people who have the right to vote to vote, if they'd vote for Democrats.
 
ajn678 said:
110% false.Do you even look up something before spouting falsehoods?
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2016 was about 138 million, while the 2018 mid-terms were about 113 million - but the 1018 mid-terms were a historically HUGE turnout for a mid-term. And it really set records for shift in the House in many ways, it was a real 'revolution' for Democrats.
 
Craig234 said:
2016 was about 138 million, while the 2018 mid-terms were about 113 million - but the 1018 mid-terms were a historically HUGE turnout for a mid-term. And it really set records for shift in the House in many ways, it was a real 'revolution' for Democrats.
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That's great. What they said was false.
 
ajn678 said:
110% false.Do you even look up something before spouting falsehoods?
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oops, i messed up, i had mixed up with votes for each side w/ the total votes. my bad. maybe try not to be such a dick all the time, but thanks for catching that.
 
Rising Sun said:
Sorry, but that's a misrepresentation of what he's said about it. He's supporting Constitutional rights as sacred. I disagree that felons should vote while under sentence, but agree that they should have their full rights restored, including owning a gun, upon completion of their sentenc.

Too bad Bernie doesn't feel the same way about the Second Amendment, eh?
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Im ok with a two tier system. No voting rights or gun rights while incarcerated. Once probation is completed, their voting rights should be restored but not their right to own a gun. While I think most reformed convicts should get their gun rights restored, im ok with not restoring it for those who completed their probation but where once convicted for things like murder, attempted murder, felony assault with a gun, felony robbery with a gun.
Sadly Sanders and Harris disagree with me.
 
jdog21 said:
Im ok with a two tier system. No voting rights or gun rights while incarcerated.
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Gun rights in prison, Bernie and I are ok with restricting.
 
Acadia said:
Funny thing is (well, not actually funny funny, but...) that Bernie is demonstrably proud of being that 300 pound woman. He's a trail blazer. He openly brags about his corpulence making Rubinesque women desirable again.
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Other democrats know that and that is why they will continue to let him run on the democrat platform(despite claiming to not let people who aren't democrats do that). They know he makes them look sane.
 
Craig234 said:
No, Democrats don't - but Republicans DON'T want millions of people who have the right to vote to vote, if they'd vote for Democrats.
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Democrats fight like hell to keep the names of ineligible voters from being removed from voter registries after they die or move away.
 
nekrodev said:
funny, the constitution doesn't mention any of those, nor do we have any laws regarding that.
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Neither is your "most fundamental right of all" specifically enumerated in the Constitution. A few amendments mention under what conditions voting cannot be "denied or abridged". Committing a felony is not one of those conditions.
 
Bucky said:
Bernie Sanders: Boston bomber, felons in prison deserve right to vote

What a disgrace. Senator Sanders looking out for the rights of terrorists, pedophiles, murderers, and the worst of worst in our society. These are monsters that are not redeemable in life. They will stay in prison for the rest of their lives. He should be ashamed of himself.
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Lefties trying to out lefty each other. Hilarious! This is just talking points for their useful idiots. Reparations...free college...free healthcare...felons voting...legalize pot...all things they know their minions will want to hear. Not one of them has questioned any of these. Now you know why they hoarked down the Russian/Trump collusion hoax so easily.
 
TurtleDude said:
I disagree. Some laws such as drug laws, are idiotic. people who are doing time for selling weed, or smoking crack, should be able to vote after they do their time. Because they never should have been in the big house in the first place.
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I'm referring to those laws which demonstrate complete disrespect for human life, and certainly, selling drugs proven to be lethal are among those. I wouldn't include pot in my view of such damaging drugs.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Most people in prison never went to trial. They take plea deals because it's often either risk 20 years imprisonment going to trial, or plead guilty and serve 3 years. If you've got a public defender that can spend about an hour on your case, few will risk fighting it. As I said, the vast, vast majority of people in prison have not been convicted and many that plea are not guilty.






Emotional nonsense. As if everyone who's ever committed a crime is literally ISIS.



Allowing felons to vote is tantamount to pardoning their crimes? Congats, you've won the dumbest statement of the day award.
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I wrote that allowing them to vote would be a partial pardon, since losing the right to vote is part of their debt to society. Pretty lame to misrepresent what I wrote.

But your claim here: "As I said, the vast, vast majority of people in prison have not been convicted" is in the running for the dumbest claim in US history award.
 
ocean515 said:
I wrote that allowing them to vote would be a partial pardon, since losing the right to vote is part of their debt to society. Pretty lame to misrepresent what I wrote.
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Except it wouldn't. That's just a nonsensical claim to confuse the discussion.

Imagine we whipped prisoners - then you'd call ending whipping a 'partial pardon' because it's 'part of their sentence'.

Imagine we otherwise tortured, or castrated, or blinded prisoners - ending those, 'partial pardons'.

There is nothing inherent in the right to vote being taken away about the prisoners being sentenced. 5 years with the right to vote. 4 years without the right to vote. 4 and a half years with whipping daily. 6 years in
solitary confinement. Those are all just punishments, and any can be called the punishment for the crime, and don't need to be called 'partial pardons'. So stick to the actual issue of the right and wrong about it.
 
GreatNews2night said:
That was not his first blunder, and it won't be his last. The man is a drooling moron.
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I disagree, I have read two of his books and both very interesting...He voted against the Iraq war which was at the time very unpopular but it was the right decision. He is against mass incarceration, voted against 1991 crime bill, critic to Bill Clinton's 1994 crime bill, and one of the first vocal politicians to come out and say there is a problem with the US having the highest prison population. Bernie has been a critic of the justice system, private prisons, and the lucrative bail bond business for awhile now and has been vocal about it. That record sets him apart from some of his presidential primary opponents like Amy Klobuchar and Kamala Harris, who advocated for “tough on crime” approaches in the past as prosecutors which I disagree with.
Bernie has a whole chapter in his book criticizing corporate media, and explained how over 90 percent of media coverage during the 2016 presidential race was not about the issues that impact your lives, citing a variety of studies. I mean 75% of coverage was on Trump rallies and the ridiculous things Trump said. He's been a critic of corporate media and their coverage since the late 90s early 00's.....
He has been advocating some sort of universal healthcare since the 90s which today is popular by majority of the people. Been calling out the oligarchy, corporate welfare, and tax breaks for the rich that has been screwing the middle class.
Bernie has explained how he would execute his plans during the 2016 campaign, some issues he has tweaked, and all can be looked up and analyzed.
I could go on, but I disagree with Bernie being an "idiot" I'm just having a hard time with this particular stance...The idiots that have witnessed in my young adult life would be George W. Bush who was pretty much a puppet to Cheney and his inner circle..And the current idiot in office who has no plan or clue what he's doing.
 
Craig234 said:
Except it wouldn't. That's just a nonsensical claim to confuse the discussion.

Imagine we whipped prisoners - then you'd call ending whipping a 'partial pardon' because it's 'part of their sentence'.

Imagine we otherwise tortured, or castrated, or blinded prisoners - ending those, 'partial pardons'.

There is nothing inherent in the right to vote being taken away about the prisoners being sentenced. 5 years with the right to vote. 4 years without the right to vote. 4 and a half years with whipping daily. 6 years in
solitary confinement. Those are all just punishments, and any can be called the punishment for the crime, and don't need to be called 'partial pardons'. So stick to the actual issue of the right and wrong about it.
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If the law stated whipping was part of the debt owed to society for conviction of the crime committed, and whipping was eliminated, that would be a partial pardon of the debt owed to society.

Try inventing a more intelligent analogy.
 
AlphaOmega said:
Lefties trying to out lefty each other. Hilarious! This is just talking points for their useful idiots. Reparations...free college...free healthcare...felons voting...legalize pot...all things they know their minions will want to hear. Not one of them has questioned any of these. Now you know why they hoarked down the Russian/Trump collusion hoax so easily.
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I've seen a few of your comments, and recognize you have a bad case of right-wing indoctrination that leaves you confused, that it's a rabbit hole it'd be pointless to go down to correct.

But perhaps some comments here and there are ok.

Democrats broadly did not "hoark down" a Russia/Trump collusion claim. You call it a hoax, which is one of your errors. No one pushed it as a 'hoax' I'm aware of.

Fact: the Russians DID have a major project to influence American voters to support trump and oppose Hillary.
Fact: the trump campaign DID have many contacts with Russian, failed to report such contacts many times, sometimes criminally, and behaved very 'friendly' to the Russian agenda in important and suspicious ways.
Fact: the FBI became aware of various parts of the above, and *legitimately* began a counter-intelligence investigation. That was to look for what the Russians did, and whether the campaign conspired criminally.
Fact: trump obstructed justice many times attempting to thwart that investigation, from attempting to remove its leadership from power, witness tampering, ordering its scope curtailed, and more.

Many Democrats did find it plausible trump might have conspired, many believed it likely he did. The large majority of Democrats simply called for the investigation to be complete to find out, rather than claiming that
for a fact it had happened any more than the evidence showed it had.

What we've found is that both sides behaved largely as if there had been some conspiracy - but none was found; yet the Russians DID act to elect trump, and the trump campaign DID act to welcome their help and to
be 'friendly' to their agenda from praise for Putin to denying their interference in the election to supporting removing sanctions.

The word 'hoax' that you parrot from trump is simply his lie. There were very valid suspicions to investigate. Oddly, what he called the worst abuse of power investigation in history, the witch hunt with no purpose but to be a coup to remove him, staffed entirely by "angry Democrats" out to get him, has every appearance of being thorough, fair, and concluded there is NOT evidence of a criminal conspiracy with Russia.

And yet, it also found much wrongdoing. Some of it criminal - there have been many charges from it. The Russian operation was exposed in great detail - which trump continues to lie about. And parts that were not
criminal - for example, trump lying to the American people that he had no even potential deals in Russia even while he was pursuing his biggest project ever in Moscow was wrong but not a crime.

Naturally, trump wants to hide all his wrongdoing and crimes, by making the only issue the conspiracy with Russia and saying he didn't do that, and trying to brush everything he did under the rug - and part of that is
your false claim that Democrats claimed he absolutely had done that conspiracy, rather than supporting the investigation that found it had not happened while many other things had.
 
ocean515 is ignored.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
Neither is your "most fundamental right of all" specifically enumerated in the Constitution. A few amendments mention under what conditions voting cannot be "denied or abridged". Committing a felony is not one of those conditions.
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lmfao

"oh it's covered in the amendments" - "oh it's not really mentioned exactly like that"

if that's all you can fall back on, then you might as well just shut up, because no one cares. one of the most important, even the single most important reason for our revolution against Britain was the right to representation in government. again, food and clothing and shelter don't even come close to being protected under our laws or founding documents. just because you don't like it doesn't change the facts.
 
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