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There’s a Bigger Prize Than Impeachment

OscarLevant

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He has a point.

Opinion | There’s a Bigger Prize Than Impeachment - The New York Times

For Democrats, leaving Donald Trump in office is not only good politics — it is the best chance for fundamental realignment of American politics in more than a generation. Mr. Trump is three years into destroying what we know as the Republican Party. Another two years just might finish it off. Trumpism has become Republicanism, and that spells electoral doom for the party.
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OscarLevant said:
He has a point.
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As a lifelong Republican (first registered to vote in June of 1980, and was a consistent GOP voter until Trump was my choice), I will say that this guy is spot on. Trump is destroying the GOP. They are enabling him to do it. They deserve it and that breaks my heart.
 
tres borrachos said:
As a lifelong Republican (first registered to vote in June of 1980, and was a consistent GOP voter until Trump was my choice), I will say that this guy is spot on. Trump is destroying the GOP. They are enabling him to do it. They deserve it and that breaks my heart.
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It sure would be sweet to retake the Senate in 2020.
 
OscarLevant said:
He has a point.
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Yes, the political strategy analogue to "reverse psychology."

I don't know that Dems need to be that "slick," particularly since, at the present, there's not a snowball's chance in hell that enough GOP senators will vote to convict Trump. Quite simply, GOP-ers will avail themselves of any measure of ambiguity, no matter its miniscularity, to exculpate Trump and abjure sending him packing.
 
Maybe there can be an end run strategy by impeaching McConnell.

I can't imagine he's all that popular with his colleagues.
 
DifferentDrummr said:
Maybe there can be an end run strategy by impeaching McConnell.

I can't imagine he's all that popular with his colleagues.
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Dems in Kentucky and South Carolina need to work hard to rid the senate of McConnell and Graham.
 
Carleen said:
Dems in Kentucky and South Carolina need to work hard to rid the senate of McConnell and Graham.
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Argh. Graham. Hard to believe I used to like & respect him.
 
tres borrachos said:
There are a hell of a lot of Republican Senators up for re-election in 2020. Many are safe. Many are not.
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I still see it as a heavy lift. But I think the Dems will pick-up two or three, maybe.
 
Chomsky said:
Argh. Graham. Hard to believe I used to like & respect him.
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Graham has gone eerily silent. Do you think it might have something to do with all of the 1999 sound bites of Lindsey sounding like he is talking about Trump in 2019?
 
Bullseye said:
So, apparently Baghdad Bob got a job with NYT after Saddam was hanged.
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Apparently you can't rebut with a competent argument, one that is devoid of snark, weasel words, loaded phrases, devoid of attempts to shift the topic, devoid of not being on point, etc etc etc.

And, if you have a problem with a failing democracy where politicians vote themselves other people's money, you must hate republicans as well.

Corporate-Welfare Queens | National Review

It’s very simple, really: Republicans have to be willing to cut weak claims, not weak claimants, as Reagan budget director David Stockman used to say. But corporate welfare has strong claimants: deep-pocketed business interests that rely on federal largesse to pad their pockets and jack up stock prices. Too many companies in America, from Boeing to AT&T, have come to regard government as a giant customer. They cheerlead for big government because they are among its chief beneficiaries.
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OscarLevant said:
He has a point.
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The thing is, there's no chance the GOP would vote to convict in the senate. Not if they stuck with him this far. Contrast No Honor Among Thieves. For now the point would be to make a more complete record of what all the players did and of how the GOP responds.

What is the probability that they'll try to suddenly turn on Trump, go after him, and then try to argue in 2020 that this shows how righteous and Godly they like being (before they were against it)? And just how many people who wouldn't be voting GOP in any circumstance going to be convinced that close to an election?
 
Mr Person said:
The thing is, there's no chance the GOP would vote to convict in the senate. Not if they stuck with him this far. Contrast No Honor Among Thieves. For now the point would be to make a more complete record of what all the players did and of how the GOP responds.

What is the probability that they'll try to suddenly turn on Trump, go after him, and then try to argue in 2020 that this shows how righteous and Godly they like being (before they were against it)? And just how many people who wouldn't be voting GOP in any circumstance going to be convinced that close to an election?
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There are tectonic plates, they are rigid,but don't underestimate the lava that is underneath, that, at a future point, the ground might and very well could shift, especially if the facts coming out from the many concomitant investigations which were referred elsewhere by Mueller are damning enough. If the vote were today, I'd agree with you, but who knows what tommorrow may bring, considering there are still quite of few of them remaining until November 2020,
 
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Rogue Valley said:
It sure would be sweet to retake the Senate in 2020.
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Keep the House and take the Senate in dramatic fashion and Twumpy can go pound sand.
But if that does happen, my money says he'll find a multitude of ways to impeach himself anyway.
 
OscarLevant said:
He has a point.
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This is obvious stuff I've been saying since calls for impeachment began. It is an obvious strategic blunder to eject Trump; better to confront the wildly unpopular, brand destroying devil you know, than face the one you don't.
 
Chomsky said:
I still see it as a heavy lift. But I think the Dems will pick-up two or three, maybe.
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I think we're already seeing evidence of some Republicans distancing themselves from Trump in advance of 2020. Collins and Gardner are 2 examples of that.
 
There will not be enough Republican votes to impeach Trump even if he steals the entire treasury on live tv. Winning is the only viable solution to this cult problem.
 
Helix said:
There will not be enough Republican votes to impeach Trump even if he steals the entire treasury on live tv. Winning is the only viable solution to this cult problem.
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What are you impeaching him for this Tuesday?
 
It's not enough to rid ourselves of Trump. We need to bitch slap the entire GOP from top to bottom.

Leave Trump at the top of the ticket and he will weigh down the entire ticket, from senate to dog catcher, like an anvil.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Keep the House and take the Senate in dramatic fashion and Twumpy can go pound sand.
But if that does happen, my money says he'll find a multitude of ways to impeach himself anyway.
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Democrats don't stop hating republicans in biased partisan wrath even after they leave office.
 
Stealers Wheel said:
It's not enough to rid ourselves of Trump. We need to bitch slap the entire GOP from top to bottom.

Leave Trump at the top of the ticket and he will weigh down the entire ticket, from senate to dog catcher, like an anvil.
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Do you expect anyone to believe that you would vote for other GOP candidates if Trump was not running for POTUS?
 
Stealers Wheel said:
It's not enough to rid ourselves of Trump. We need to bitch slap the entire GOP from top to bottom.

Leave Trump at the top of the ticket and he will weigh down the entire ticket, from senate to dog catcher, like an anvil.
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We can hope. However, Democrats can be hopelessly inept. Remember, they managed to lose to the orange idiot king. They need to make winning their goal until this cult is flushed.
 
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