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Whites OBJECTIVELY Have Fewer Rights than Minorities

snakestretcher said:
I couldn't give a flying ****. Go whine somewhere else. I'm sick to death of hearing poor, oppressed victims who can't make their sad little lives work without pointing fingers and blaming someone else for their own failure.
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YAY! Someone who agrees with me that "reparations" are ridiculous!
 
Shadow X said:
Whites are OBJECTIVELY the most systematically discriminated against group in this country.
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1. As President Clinton used to say, "I feel your pain."

2. I respectfully suggest that you do what most people of the ethnicity in question do: They simply do the best they can under the changing circumstances and maintain a discreet silence about things over which they have NO control.


3. If you have some highly marketable skills, you can probably still get a good position in the States or -- if need be -- abroad.


4. There is use in beating your head against the wall.


5. As you know, demographers say that the current majority ethnicity will fall below 50% by the middle of this century.

a. Your grandchildren's grandchildren will be living in a very different social environment from today's.


7. Many people say that they are very excited and optimistic about the future of the United States of America, which they say will be a better and more just society than ever for everyone. Hopefully, they are right.



Best wishes
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Sorry that's dishonest of you. I asked "What US laws or rights have been expressly written that says whites have to be treated differently?"

You haven't shown this. Your own links and statements I highlighted in red show

1) "Our government provides grants, loans and subsidies to black farmers that I can’t get access to because the color of my skin is white. https://www.usda.gov/media/press-releases/2014/07/29/usda-announces-grants-help-veterans-and-minority-farmers-get"

Yet if you are a white military vet, you can get those same grants, loans and subsidies.


2) Through the SBA program 8a we provide grants, loans and government contracts to minority business owners that I can’t get access to or have to jump through a bunch of hoops that NO other race has to jump through simply because the color of my skin is white.
https://www.sba.gov/federal-contracting/contracting-assistance-programs/8a-business-development-program

Yet if you are a white woman, you can access these grants, loans and govt contracts.


3) We provide tax credits to businesses that hire minority... excuse me, non-white contractors. A benefit that as a white person I don’t provide to my employer making it FAR less likely I will get the job.
Tax Incentives for Using a Minority-Owned Business | Chron.com

Yet if a business hires a white woman contractor , you can access these tax credits.


4) And I haven’t even begun to start on the DOZENS of state and local government programs across the country that discriminates against us. Such as NY setting aside $3B for minority business owners that I can’t access because the color of my skin is white.
Big Apple Milestone: New York City Awards Over $3 Billion in Contracts to Black, Minority Businesses - Black Enterprise

Yet those same contracts, credits, loans etc are available to white women contractor. So really, you haven't demonstrated different treatment of anything except white men who are within a certain age bracket.
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No actually all you have demonstrated are not only are those programs racist as they discriminate based upon skin color but they also discriminate based upon sex. Both categories of which are unconstitutional to discriminate against.

If I’m a white male how can I benefit from any of those programs? And if I can’t then I am, by definition, unconstitutionally discriminated against because I’m excluded from those programs based upon race and sex.
 
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TheParser said:
1. As President Clinton used to say, "I feel your pain."

2. I respectfully suggest that you do what most people of the ethnicity in question do: They simply do the best they can under the changing circumstances and maintain a discreet silence about things over which they have NO control.


3. If you have some highly marketable skills, you can probably still get a good position in the States or -- if need be -- abroad.


4. There is use in beating your head against the wall.


5. As you know, demographers say that the current majority ethnicity will fall below 50% by the middle of this century.

a. Your grandchildren's grandchildren will be living in a very different social environment from today's.


7. Many people say that they are very excited and optimistic about the future of the United States of America, which they say will be a better and more just society than ever for everyone. Hopefully, they are right.



Best wishes
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Ooookay. But you didn’t really comment on whether or not it should be acceptable to discriminate based upon race.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Sorry that's dishonest of you. I asked "What US laws or rights have been expressly written that says whites have to be treated differently?"

You haven't shown this. Your own links and statements I highlighted in red show

1) "Our government provides grants, loans and subsidies to black farmers that I can’t get access to because the color of my skin is white. https://www.usda.gov/media/press-releases/2014/07/29/usda-announces-grants-help-veterans-and-minority-farmers-get"

Yet if you are a white military vet, you can get those same grants, loans and subsidies.


2) Through the SBA program 8a we provide grants, loans and government contracts to minority business owners that I can’t get access to or have to jump through a bunch of hoops that NO other race has to jump through simply because the color of my skin is white.
https://www.sba.gov/federal-contracting/contracting-assistance-programs/8a-business-development-program

Yet if you are a white woman, you can access these grants, loans and govt contracts.


3) We provide tax credits to businesses that hire minority... excuse me, non-white contractors. A benefit that as a white person I don’t provide to my employer making it FAR less likely I will get the job.
Tax Incentives for Using a Minority-Owned Business | Chron.com

Yet if a business hires a white woman contractor , you can access these tax credits.


4) And I haven’t even begun to start on the DOZENS of state and local government programs across the country that discriminates against us. Such as NY setting aside $3B for minority business owners that I can’t access because the color of my skin is white.
Big Apple Milestone: New York City Awards Over $3 Billion in Contracts to Black, Minority Businesses - Black Enterprise

Yet those same contracts, credits, loans etc are available to white women contractor. So really, you haven't demonstrated different treatment of anything except white men who are within a certain age bracket.
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For instance if we had program that provided tax credits to businesses for hiring ANYONE except for black males. Would you not consider that racist and discriminatory and unconstitutional even if black females were included?

Or a program that provided government grants and loans to EVERY class of small business owner except for black males but black females were included. That wouldn’t be racist and discriminatory?
 
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Shadow X said:
No actually all you have demonstrated are not only are those programs racist as they discriminate based upon skin color but they also discriminate based upon sex. Both categories of which are unconstitutional to discriminate against.

If I’m a white male how can I benefit from any of those programs? And if I can’t then I am, by definition, unconstitutionally discriminated against because I’m excluded from those programs based upon race and sex.
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Sorry, that's simply not true. Your first link shows you can be a white male and all the others show you can be a white woman.

Do you understand what racism actually means? Please define racism clearly by any standard dictionary definition you care to pursue this argument on so we can all be really clear.

Shadow X said:
For instance if we had program that provided tax credits to businesses for hiring ANYONE except for black males. Would you not consider that racist and discriminatory and unconstitutional even if black females were included?

Or a program that provided government grants and loans to EVERY class of small business owner except for black males but black females were included. That wouldn’t be racist and discriminatory?
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No I wouldn't because it didn't discriminate against black females.
 
Shadow X said:
Ooookay. But you didn’t really comment on whether or not it should be acceptable to discriminate based upon race.
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Thank you for your question.

1. I believe that some other posters implied that the word "discriminate" is not accurate.

a. That is to say, those posters pointed out that affirmative action is intended to help groups catch up after being denied opportunities for a long time.

2. As you know, we members must be super careful whenever talking about protected classes. There are simply some things that we are not allowed to say. So let me end this short post with the following:

a. As you have heard, some people of Asian backgrounds are being denied university entrance so that space can be opened up for other ethnicities. Is this "discrimination"? Well, there is no use in parsing that word. The reality is: Americans want our university population to better mirror the population profile of the country.


Best wishes
 
Shadow X said:
They were almost universally put in by democrats in efforts to buy votes. And democrats will never get rid of their vote buying machine. So no it’s not because most people agree. It’s more like most people aren’t educated on the fact.

And there’s certainly no evidence that they’re “worthwhile”.
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Democrat politicians still being predominantly white, yeah?

So white politicians enacted these policies, and the (in many areas) predominantly white voters elected them.

And while it's possible a better understanding of the policy would change minds, that's the opposition's problem.

It just seems as though your position lacks support, even amongst those you claim are victims of these policies.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Sorry, that's simply not true. Your first link shows you can be a white male and all the others show you can be a white woman.

Do you understand what racism actually means? Please define racism clearly by any standard dictionary definition you care to pursue this argument on so we can all be really clear.



No I wouldn't because it didn't discriminate against black females.
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No sir you’re describing a situation in which RACE is a determining factor. There are EXCEPTIONS to that part of it if you also belong to a different group.

But to declare that white males must enter the military to get the EXACT same benefit that the black guy gets simply because he’s black is discriminatory.

But Fantastic. So if I were to suggest increasing penalties against black males (but didn’t include black females) who commit violent crime in an effort to reduce the absurd level of violent crime committed by black males, that wouldn’t be racist or discriminatory and you would have no problem with it?
 
TheParser said:
Thank you for your question.

1. I believe that some other posters implied that the word "discriminate" is not accurate.

a. That is to say, those posters pointed out that affirmative action is intended to help groups catch up after being denied opportunities for a long time.

2. As you know, we members must be super careful whenever talking about protected classes. There are simply some things that we are not allowed to say. So let me end this short post with the following:

a. As you have heard, some people of Asian backgrounds are being denied university entrance so that space can be opened up for other ethnicities. Is this "discrimination"? Well, there is no use in parsing that word. The reality is: Americans want our university population to better mirror the population profile of the country.


Best wishes
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Do we really? Because you’re still advocating for policy to benefit blacks and Hispanics over whites and Asians even though blacks are grossly overrepresented in collegiate campus’ whereas whites are underrepresented.

According to your position, that our university population should better mirror our country population, shouldn’t you be pushing policy that decreases the number of blacks and increases the number of whites?

I’d also like to point out that affirmative action affects the workplace as well. But a recent study has shown that black managers are FAR more likely to discriminate based upon race than white ones. When a black person is manager they disproportionately hire blacks and underhire whites.
 
Yup. Fomenting racial hatred is a favorite tactic of Russian trolls
 
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JustHanging said:
What's with the flurry of new accounts, all espousing the same far alt-right point of view? Have you noticed it as well?
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I have; and I noticed a similarly sudden influx on another forum. Likely these are concerted efforts at infiltration concocted on right-leaning forums. They disappear fairly quickly once their talking points have been summarily dispatched.
 
Shadow X said:
How? These are objective realities. It’s fact whites are legally discriminated against in this country.

But for some reason y’all don’t care
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Maybe if I saw a legit issue, I'd care.
 
Shadow X said:
There are plenty of cases out there. But for some reason I can’t get you folks to admit it’s wrong. Why is that?

But fair enough on the first point. Though I think it’s pretty easy to argue that someone shouldn’t be discriminated against based upon a disability hence the protections provided to them through law.

On the other hand I can’t see any rational justification why some poor white schmuck from Appalachia should be discriminated against legally because he has the same color skin as those who discriminated in years past.
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Maybe it's because we're not the ones who are wrong?
 
snakestretcher said:
Think whatever you want, but don't assume for a second that I think reparations are ridiculous. In fact don't assume to speak for me at all.
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Lol weren’t you the one earlier bellyaching about how you didn’t want to hear people crying about how unfair life is and blaming others and wanting government funds?

I guess that doesn’t matter if it’s blacks doing it. Right?
 
Shadow X said:
So you think it’s okay to discriminate against whites through government policy?
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"I flip through channels, and I don't see a White Entertainment Television! How come the blacks get BET, and I can't get WET? I'm being discriminated against! Waaah!"
 
TheGoverness said:
"I flip through channels, and I don't see a White Entertainment Television! How come the blacks get BET, and I can't get WET? I'm being discriminated against! Waaah!"
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So you would be cool if we had a government program that gave hire farmers loans and grants but excluded black ones?
 
Shadow X said:
Lol weren’t you the one earlier bellyaching about how you didn’t want to hear people crying about how unfair life is and blaming others and wanting government funds?

I guess that doesn’t matter if it’s blacks doing it. Right?
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I was responding to a poster making assumptions about me. By the way, why are you here whining about what a hard time you're having instead of working, seeing as you're suffering so bad from 'discrimination' losing you business?
 
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