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When did Party Loyalty Supersede Patriotism?

Korimyr the Rat said:
If you think Obamacare was good enough to make up for expanding Bush-era warcrimes and arming the drug cartels to justify their domestic policies, then I guess you would be disappointed you're not getting the government you deserve.
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I am not sure I understand. Obamacare was not enough, so the answer was to bring back those Republicans, this time rabid and on steroids?
 
ataraxia said:
I am not sure I understand. Obamacare was not enough, so the answer was to bring back those Republicans, this time rabid and on steroids?
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I'm not sure you understand, either. I have no idea how you got this from what I posted.

You know, there are functional democracies whose political systems have options other than a corrupt right-wing oligarchy and a rabid Nazi death cult. Some of them even have bona fide liberal and left-wing parties.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
When someone is right about a thing, they're still right.
No matter how I detest and despise Bill Kristol, if he is right about something, I'll give him credit anyway.
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That is understandable. I agree
 
calamity said:
I am somewhat stunned by what I see in America today. Sure, there are a few Republicans, like William Kristol, George Conway and maybe a few others, putting country ahead of Party. But, there numbers are few. The vast majority, however, are more than willing to let our democracy go to hell in a handbasket in order to defend their guy.

When did this happen?

90's? 2K's? Is it a Trump thing? Do the Russians own everyone from Lindsey Graham in SC, to that Fresno crook, Nunez?

Is it really a case of Right Wing Zealotry: a firm belief that infanticide and buttsex is taking the nation to the edge of flood waters falling from the great Sky Daddy above? Inquiring minds want to know what the hell happened?
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Says the crowd defending illegals and giving them sanctuary.
 
calamity said:
I am somewhat stunned by what I see in America today. Sure, there are a few Republicans, like William Kristol, George Conway and maybe a few others, putting country ahead of Party. But, there numbers are few. The vast majority, however, are more than willing to let our democracy go to hell in a handbasket in order to defend their guy.

When did this happen?

90's? 2K's? Is it a Trump thing? Do the Russians own everyone from Lindsey Graham in SC, to that Fresno crook, Nunez?

Is it really a case of Right Wing Zealotry: a firm belief that infanticide and buttsex is taking the nation to the edge of flood waters falling from the great Sky Daddy above? Inquiring minds want to know what the hell happened?
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Right wing, left wing, extreme lefties and righties, Rs and Ds, what we mostly hear is : "our party must win, we must do whatever it takes for us to be in control". So please lets not pretend only one side has all the fun and wants to stay in power. Mind you, it is less about America but power and being in charge.
Being independent, not adhering to either party, is frowned upon by both. It won't change until we have some strong 3rd and 4th....parties, some alternatives that make sense to vote for, so we won't have to throw away our votes when one or the other, or both, candidates are not worth a vote.
The extreme partisans on either side go to the voting both, hold their noses and vote for the candidate of their party, NO matter what.
 
Lovebug said:
Right wing, left wing, extreme lefties and righties, Rs and Ds, what we mostly hear is : "our party must win, we must do whatever it takes for us to be in control". So please lets not pretend only one side has all the fun and wants to stay in power. Mind you, it is less about America but power and being in charge.
Being independent, not adhering to either party, is frowned upon by both. It won't change until we have some strong 3rd and 4th....parties, some alternatives that make sense to vote for, so we won't have to throw away our votes when one or the other, or both, candidates are not worth a vote.
The extreme partisans on either side go to the voting both, hold their noses and vote for the candidate of their party, NO matter what.
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There is literally no comparison between the parties and your silly "oh, both parties are the extremes and bad" is retarded.

The "extreme left" is basically just college students and Twitter trolls, whereas we literally have fascists in the Republican party. our Democratic party would be the standard conservative party in most other developed nations, only Bernie Sanders and a few others even come close to being left, and they're not even "extreme".

The reason being "independent" is frowned upon is because you're squandering a vote if you're not voting for one of the two major parties. 3rd party candidates, especially the leftist ones, have been sabotaged, on top of already being at a disadvantage, which is why Bernie runs as a Dem. no Green Party or Libertarian or whatever has any chance of winning right now. Hopefully that'll change in the future, but that's just the reality we live in.
 
Bullseye said:
As one of the most partisan posters on the forum you really have zero room to talk.
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If I was partisan, I’d have voted for Hillary instead of Kasich. You’ve been told this numerous times.

Pointing out that the Right has gone insane and the president is a crook has nothing to do with partisanship.
 
Helix said:
the current situation really got going in the 1990s, IMO.
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I would go back even further, to the beginning of the 80's, and the Moral Majority. Clearly if you are a true believer God takes precedence of country. After that it's just a hop, skip and a jump until those same people are putting a person ahead of country. In this case, their Dear Leader Trump.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
You know, there are functional democracies whose political systems have options other than a corrupt right-wing oligarchy and a rabid Nazi death cult. Some of them even have bona fide liberal and left-wing parties.
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There is a "bona fide liberal and left wing party|, it's called the Democrats. Granted they're pretty conservative for liberals compared to most Western nations.


Why are you only discussing the far right, ie "corrupt right-wing oligarchy and a rabid Nazi death cult?" Dang, and don't those far right groups like the Neo-Nazis love them some Trump?


Neo-Nazis Praise Trump's Charlottesville Reaction: 'He Loves Us All'

White nationalists mark Trump win with Nazi salute


Who can blame them. Trump is constantly trying to energize his base with racist rhetoric, and damned if it doesn't seem to work every single time.

Trump's Midterm Closing Argument: Pure Racial Fear

With racist ad, Trump sinks to a new low



You can tell it works, because if it didn't, Trump would switch strategies. What do you think?
 
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JustHanging said:
I would go back even further, to the beginning of the 80's, and the Moral Majority. Clearly if you are a true believer God takes precedence of country. After that it's just a hop, skip and a jump until those same people are putting a person ahead of country. In this case, their Dear Leader Trump.
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Dominionism is indeed a problem in the USA.

Dominion theology - Wikipedia
 
JustHanging said:
I would go back even further, to the beginning of the 80's, and the Moral Majority. Clearly if you are a true believer God takes precedence of country. After that it's just a hop, skip and a jump until those same people are putting a person ahead of country. In this case, their Dear Leader Trump.
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Politics were a bit more sane in the 80s, IMO.
 
nekrodev said:
I still don't understand how this is even something that someone can honestly think. I get disagreeing with either platform over specific issues, but unless you want to throw out virtually everything you disagree with as "fake news" or "conspiracy", then the Democratic party definitely tends to be more reality-driven than the Republican party.

What things do the Democratic leadership and the rabid part of their base believe and support that you find completely insane?
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:lamo The Democrats tend to be reality driven, that was funny. I snorted my coffee. When I get some more time I will list the insanity of the Democrat party for you.
 
calamity said:
I am somewhat stunned by what I see in America today. Sure, there are a few Republicans, like William Kristol, George Conway and maybe a few others, putting country ahead of Party. But, there numbers are few. The vast majority, however, are more than willing to let our democracy go to hell in a handbasket in order to defend their guy.

When did this happen?

90's? 2K's? Is it a Trump thing? Do the Russians own everyone from Lindsey Graham in SC, to that Fresno crook, Nunez?

Is it really a case of Right Wing Zealotry: a firm belief that infanticide and buttsex is taking the nation to the edge of flood waters falling from the great Sky Daddy above? Inquiring minds want to know what the hell happened?
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Simple answer for me is/was when Democrats, particularly those in Congress, unlike Republicans during the Nixon investigations, refused to vote to impeach President Clinton, preferring to be toadies for their party leader rather than do the honorable and decent thing and kick the POS out of office.

It is important to remember that during Watergate, it was Republicans who went to President Nixon and told him that if he didn't resign they were prepared to vote against their party's leader and impeach him. No such thing happened during the Clinton embarrassment.

As a result, America has sunk into a bitter partisan cesspool with precious few moderate, level headed, men and women of integrity in leadership in either party. Democrats made it plain that clinging to power was more important to them than the state of the nation and as a result Republicans, wrongly, have sunk to that same dismal level.
 
calamity said:
If I was partisan, I’d have voted for Hillary instead of Kasich. You’ve been told this numerous times.
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LOL, that's the weakest denial I've seen. That's a primary vote, cal. Kasich had dropped out by the time you voted in the General Election.

calamity said:
Pointing out that the Right has gone insane and the president is a crook has nothing to do with partisanship.
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It does when you attack Republicans exclusively.
 
Bullseye said:
LOL, that's the weakest denial I've seen. That's a primary vote, cal. Kasich had dropped out by the time you voted in the General Election.
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Which is why I didn't vote for president in the General. Duh.

It does when you attack Republicans exclusively.
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Exclusively, Republicans are defending the lawless president.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Simple answer for me is/was when Democrats, particularly those in Congress, unlike Republicans during the Nixon investigations, refused to vote to impeach President Clinton, preferring to be toadies for their party leader rather than do the honorable and decent thing and kick the POS out of office.

It is important to remember that during Watergate, it was Republicans who went to President Nixon and told him that if he didn't resign they were prepared to vote against their party's leader and impeach him. No such thing happened during the Clinton embarrassment.

As a result, America has sunk into a bitter partisan cesspool with precious few moderate, level headed, men and women of integrity in leadership in either party. Democrats made it plain that clinging to power was more important to them than the state of the nation and as a result Republicans, wrongly, have sunk to that same dismal level.
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Clinton should have resigned. Gore would have been a 2-1/2 term president. Big mistake.
 
calamity said:
I am somewhat stunned by what I see in America today. Sure, there are a few Republicans, like William Kristol, George Conway and maybe a few others, putting country ahead of Party. But, there numbers are few. The vast majority, however, are more than willing to let our democracy go to hell in a handbasket in order to defend their guy.

When did this happen?

90's? 2K's? Is it a Trump thing? Do the Russians own everyone from Lindsey Graham in SC, to that Fresno crook, Nunez?

Is it really a case of Right Wing Zealotry: a firm belief that infanticide and buttsex is taking the nation to the edge of flood waters falling from the great Sky Daddy above? Inquiring minds want to know what the hell happened?
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It's been that way for quite a long time.
 
calamity said:
Yeah, me too.

I voted for the best candidate in the primaries: John Kasich; and when the final choice came down to Hilary or Dumpster fire, I passed on picking anyone on that part of the ballot: Johnson and What's her name were non-starters.
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Are you a postman, that was the major portion of the Kasich constituency. After McCain & Romney became the nominees it was no
surprise that another mediocre lightweight, poor speaking, lacking in charisma person like Kasich thought there may have been an opening
for himself.
 
slick said:
Are you a postman, that was the major portion of the Kasich constituency. After McCain & Romney became the nominees it was no
surprise that another mediocre lightweight, poor speaking, lacking in charisma person like Kasich thought there may have been an opening
for himself.
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Kasich was convinced he was by far the most qualified of all the candidates, but complained that he was not being heard for all the attention given to Hillary and Trump. He was right that most of the attention was focused on lesser qualified candidates, but he was wrong to think he was even remotely qualified himself.
 
calamity said:
Which is why I didn't vote for president in the General. Duh.
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You DIDN'T VOTE FOR PRESIDENT? Dude the "duh" is on you.

calamity said:
Exclusively, Republicans are defending the lawless president.
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Whom you did nothing to stop from being elected.
 
Bullseye said:
You DIDN'T VOTE FOR PRESIDENT? Dude the "duh" is on you.

Whom you did nothing to stop from being elected.
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lol...I'm not stupid enough to vote for Trump and too ethical to vote for Hillary. I considered writing in a name, but that would be pointless. Unlike partisan hacks, I need a candidate I can at least respect.

BTW, I still haven't received your apology. Not that I expect one from you.
 
calamity said:
lol...I'm not stupid enough to vote for Trump and too ethical to vote for Hillary. I considered writing in a name, but that would be pointless. Unlike partisan hacks, I need a candidate I can at least respect.

BTW, I still haven't received your apology. Not that I expect one from you.
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Apology for what?
 
CanadaJohn said:
Simple answer for me is/was when Democrats, particularly those in Congress, unlike Republicans during the Nixon investigations, refused to vote to impeach President Clinton, preferring to be toadies for their party leader rather than do the honorable and decent thing and kick the POS out of office.

It is important to remember that during Watergate, it was Republicans who went to President Nixon and told him that if he didn't resign they were prepared to vote against their party's leader and impeach him. No such thing happened during the Clinton embarrassment.

As a result, America has sunk into a bitter partisan cesspool with precious few moderate, level headed, men and women of integrity in leadership in either party. Democrats made it plain that clinging to power was more important to them than the state of the nation and as a result Republicans, wrongly, have sunk to that same dismal level.
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What you're missing is that Republicans finally put country above party.

Russia is the wrong country however.

Republicans / Conservatives have admired and praised Putin since his return to the presidency in 2012. Sang his praises regularly and consistently. Until Trump came along. Then Republicans / Conservatives went silent on Putin. No more praising Putin while Trump kissed Putin's ass publicly and shamelessly. The Fanboys had to play innocent bystander. Since then the Putin-Trump Fanboys have posted as if Putin didn't exist, or as if Putin were minding his own business. Which Putin is not.
 
slick said:
Are you a postman, that was the major portion of the Kasich constituency. After McCain & Romney became the nominees it was no
surprise that another mediocre lightweight, poor speaking, lacking in charisma person like Kasich thought there may have been an opening
for himself.
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"Poor speaking, lightweight"


Have you listened to the cult leader?
 
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