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A simple question for all Trump Supporters

Stealers Wheel said:
You asked for an example. Not ten thousand.

Furthermore it is not about whether or not 'it tipped the scales.' We'll probably never know. The point is RUSSIA MEDDLED. You cannot be OK with that and call yourself an American.
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You're right...I did ask, for a very specific purpose, and that purpose was proven. That it amounts to a big nothing burger.
 
Luckyone said:
Neither you nor Bullseye proved anything.

The OP question was simple. It was "why isn't Trump addressing the cyber security issue with the same fervor that he is addressing the border security issue. After all, our election process that chooses the candidates that will lead us has more impact than illegal aliens coming in to the U.S."

I never said the issue was not being addressed, which is what you have proven to be the case.

Keep in mind that Trump talked about the border security issue and the illegal aliens almost every single day of his presidency. Funds were already appropriated by Congress for that issue but Trump wanted MORE done. He wanted an ADDITIONAL $28 million dollars on top of what was already appropriated. He closed the government for 34 days (cost to the U.S. of $6 billion) and then he even named it a national crisis that if he wins that argument, funds from other projects will be diverted for the wall.

Flash back to the election meddling issue. Show me one time that Trump has even mentioned it. That he has even addressed it from the point of view that Russia was the culprit (he said it could be a 400 lb guy on his computer doing it). That he has said anything in a way that makes anyone believe that he is as against Russian meddling in the election as he is against illegal aliens coming in. No additional funds have been requested by Trump to address this issue as a national crisis, which it is because election meddling can change who represents us and if that is filled by a Pro-Russian or Pro-China person, much more damage than a 100,000 illegal aliens can cause. More funding and help has been requested by Homeland Security.

Here is a sample of how Trump is handling this crisis:



In addition, this headline says it all"



Notice that the amount that was allocated was $120 million. Compared to the $28 Billion that Trump is asking for border security, is not not even a drop in the bucket.

Bottom line, Trump is not giving importance to election meddling as he is to border security and it is a bigger problem and more important to the future of our country!
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1. I wasn't trying to prove anything to you. I simply provided information to answer your question.

2. I agree, the question was simple. I simply, offered information. You made the OP more complicated by adding the cyber security versus border security fervor issue.

3. Thank You for acknowledging what I had proven to be the case.

4. Keep in mind...

a.That there was and still is an actual border security crisis and that it is escalating.

b.The crisis was being ignored and was said to be something Trump fabricated in order to get his wall.

Perhaps, Trump was speaking constantly with fervor and was closing down the government in desperation based on the fact he knew the crisis was real.

Plus, the fact that he was dealing with an actual fabricated story being put out daily.

Fabricated story being... There was no crisis at the border. Trump was faking that crisis in order to build... His Trump Wall.

My opinion Bottom Line is, That you want to compare Trump's constant border talk versus how Trump has not publically updated cybersecurity information as a political negative Trump talking point.

Based on that idea, I think you are assuming based on your negative opinion of Trump that he must be thinking border security (his big beautiful ego wall) is far more important than the cybersecurity of Our Nation.

I think, Trump's big ego will also work to the Nation's advantage and cause him to work just as hard to build a big beautiful cybersecurity wall. And, that cyber Trump ego wall will not have a door.

President Trump releases national cybersecurity strategy

(imho) Roseann:)
 
Luckyone said:
I see, so not saying that it is a problem and should be addressed is a no go because we do not want to draw attention to our efforts. and Trump saying that he believed Putin when he said he had nothing to do with it, is just a ploy to lower Putin's defense so we can undermine him.
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Considering we'd known about the problem since 2014 it would appear we KNEW there was a problem - Obama's security advisor Susan Rice's orders to her people to stand down, not withstanding. Trump's comments at a join meeting was mere diplomatic "smoke blowing"; how often have you seen meetings of heads of state were one attacks another verbally?

Luckyone said:
Wow, you are one smart person. Why don't you run for President yourself. You seem to know more about scamming than Trump does.
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Don't want the job. I know about politics and international relations, and cyber security.
 
Luckyone said:
Explain this then

State Dept. Was Granted $120 Million to Fight Russian Meddling. It Has Spent $0..

WASHINGTON — As Russia’s virtual war against the United States continues unabated with the midterm elections approaching, the State Department has yet to spend any of the $120 million it has been allocated since late 2016 to counter foreign efforts to meddle in elections or sow distrust in democracy.

As a result, not one of the 23 analysts working in the department’s Global Engagement Center — which has been tasked with countering Moscow’s disinformation campaign — speaks Russian, and a department hiring freeze has hindered efforts to recruit the computer experts needed to track the Russian efforts.

The delay is just one symptom of the largely passive response to the Russian interference by President Trump, who has made little if any public effort to rally the nation to confront Moscow and defend democratic institutions.
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Covered this already. 'Nothing's changed. When I looked at the link you provided I saw the name "Rex Tillerson" - he hasn't been Sec State for quite a while, which means the article you're citing is old and dated. We've been tracking and fighting Russian attempts to influence our elections since at least 2014, and had begun counter measures until Obama's security advisor told her people to "stand down" and stop operations; But at least Obama in his typical forceful manner told Putin to "cut it out".
 
Luckyone said:
My question to all Trump supporters is "Why is Trump not doing something to protect our nation against election interference by Russia (or anyone else)?

If Trump's repeated claims that the Security of our nation is the most important thing, why is he not addressing our free elections interference with the same strength he is addressing the border crisis. He wants $28 billion to build a border wall to stop illegal immigration but has not asked for one single additional penny to ensure free elections that if hacked could change our entire country.

WHY?

By the way, I promise to read all Trump supporter answers even if on my ignore list.
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What did the Russians do exactly? Not what hair-on-fire leftist democrats think or say they did, but what do the irrefutable facts show they did? Nothing. Did they register illegals to vote? Mueller does not say. Did Russians steal the DNC emails and give them to Assange? Not according to irrefutable facts unearthed by FBI investigation of DNC computers. There was no FBI investigation of DNC computers, which means the only evidence Mueller listed in support the narrative that Russians were behind the Wikileakrrelease of the DNC emails is purely hearsay.
 
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Fishking said:
You're right...I did ask, for a very specific purpose, and that purpose was proven. That it amounts to a big nothing burger.
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By all means, keep your unstated purpose to yourself. Otherwise, we'll all know "WTF."
 
Fishking said:
You're right...I did ask, for a very specific purpose, and that purpose was proven. That it amounts to a big nothing burger.
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Yeah, and the Mueller indictments of 12 Russians? Nothingburger? President should withdraw the indictments and issue an apology?
 
trixare4kids said:
Where was your outrage when Obama ignored Russian interference?
Unless you are reading another report, the Mueller investigative report did not put Trump in a bad light regarding the above.
I know that's not the question you asked, but creating a deflection and blaming Trump for what Obama ignored and failed to do is predictably amusing...Imagine this. IF Obama had done his job, the guy you hate probably wouldn't have won. :lamo

:2wave:

Democratic strategist rips Obama for not doing enough to stop Russian election interference
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Of course if he had, you'd all be screaming that Obama stole the election for Hillary.

There's that....
 
Fletch said:
You seem to forget that Trump has been the victim of a two year liberal smear campaign for which he was completely innocent. It is you guys on the left that have been playing into Putins hands and now you want Trump to do something about it. Maybe if you guys stop lying we could get things accomplished.
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HEAR! HEAR! :thumbs:

Roseann:)
 
Fletch said:
His hands were tied with regard to Russia thanks to this phony investigation into his campaign. Now that it's over maybe things can get accomplished.
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Au contraire! He won't be able to do anything as long as the Democrats continue to hold hearings and investigate. Never mind that Trump claims to have 'accomplished' more than any president before him and of course being 'so hard on Russia', your claims to the contrary notwithstanding.

BTW, "Hands Tied" will undoubtedly be another explanation as to why he refuses to make good on his campaign promise to release his tax returns. You'll be able to write "His hands were tied with regard to his tax returns thanks to this phony investigation into his taxes."

You must enjoy coming up with so many creative excuses for him.
 
Luckyone said:
Mycroft, you are once again proving why I have no discussions with you. You are going against all common sense, meaning that you have no interest in the truth, just the truth you want.

Back to no contact.
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:applaud:applaud:applaud
 
AlbqOwl said:
You may not have noticed, but the President's track record is pretty darn good on addressing problems and finding solutions or ways to address them that actually solve the problem. Unlike his predecessor who broadcasted pretty much everything in cases like this and thus not only informed the bad guys of what he was doing and/or intended to do, President Trump does not do that. He plays his cards pretty close to his vest so he doesn't telegraph useful information to those he is trying to prevent from hurting us.

But then President Obama pretty much shook his finger at problems and said 'no, no' but didn't do much about them. For instance, he KNEW there was Russian interference in the 2016 campaign but there is no indication that he did anything proactively about it. But he wanted his constituency to believe he was doing something with his great 'concern'.

President Trump is a different kind of President. He didn't offer much notice of his Executive Order in September of last year and it received pretty much zero MSM coverage.
Access Denied

Interesting that the google link translates to Access Denied. Would that be so that few people would bother to click on it?

But it is pretty obvious that President Trump is not only concerned, but intends to actively respond to that kind of thing.
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HEAR! HEAR! Needs repeating...Thank You for your Excellent Summary!

Roseann:)
 
ttwtt78640 said:
What election was hacked? Please list the state(s) involved and the affect on vote totals.
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That's a little disingenuous Considering billions are spent every year by American donors to influendlce elections using the same techniques the trolls used.

So unless you're positing that they're all just indulging in mystical thinking, consulting astrologers or augurs to read entrails then they must believe that it works.

It is this american side of the equation that is why there hasn't been much talk about it.

The media won't talk about it, that's how their advertisers sell stuff.

Politicians won't tell us because that's how their campaigns are conducted.

A hundred years of research into what's makes us tick. Cognitively and psychologically.
 
What if...? said:
That's a little disingenuous Considering billions are spent every year by American donors to influendlce elections using the same techniques the trolls used.

So unless you're positing that they're all just indulging in mystical thinking, consulting astrologers or augurs to read entrails then they must believe that it works.

It is this american side of the equation that is why there hasn't been much talk about it.

The media won't talk about it, that's how their advertisers sell stuff.

Politicians won't tell us because that's how their campaigns are conducted.

A hundred years of research into what's makes us tick. Cognitively and psychologically.
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Are you proposing that the (federal?) government somehow regulate the content of (political?) advertising on the internet? If so, please describe, exactly, how you believe that could be done.
 
CharisRose said:
Anybody who is interested in the Facebook ads can click on the following link.

SOURCE: recode

TITLE: Congress just published all the Russian Facebook ads used to try and influence the 2016 election

These are the ads at the center of Russia’s election interference campaign.

By Kurt Wagner May 10, 2018, 12:48pm EDT

Congress just published all the Russian Facebook ads used to try and influence the 2016 election - Recode

Roseann:)
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What Congress isn't going to emphasize though is that very few people saw those ads that were seen mostly in solid blue states where they had essentially little or no chance of having any affect.
 
hanger4 said:
Why do you think Trump should announce to the world what's being done concerning cyber security ??

And yes you did say nothing's being done, "Why is Trump not doing something to protect our nation against election interference by Russia (or anyone else)?"
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I can think of many good reasons for Trump announcing this:

1) we would not be seen as weak
2) we would be defending our Democracy
3) we would be making a statement that we will not allow it to happen again
4) Trump would gain popularity and votes among the independents and the media for doing the right thing
5) Trump would not be seen as being Putin'g puppet
6) Trump would show he is a leader of the free world

Can you show me reasons why not to do it?
 
Stealers Wheel said:
Yeah, and the Mueller indictments of 12 Russians? Nothingburger? President should withdraw the indictments and issue an apology?
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Yeah....a nothing burger in regards to how much of an effect it had on the elections.
 
Mycroft said:
2. Trump isn't a politician. He doesn't do stuff "to get support". He does stuff to get something done.
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:lamo

Oh yeah, all those rallies he has been doing before AND after getting elected have nothing to do with getting support from anyone
 
AlbqOwl said:
You may not have noticed, but the President's track record is pretty darn good on addressing problems and finding solutions or ways to address them that actually solve the problem. Unlike his predecessor who broadcasted pretty much everything in cases like this and thus not only informed the bad guys of what he was doing and/or intended to do, President Trump does not do that. He plays his cards pretty close to his vest so he doesn't telegraph useful information to those he is trying to prevent from hurting us.

But then President Obama pretty much shook his finger at problems and said 'no, no' but didn't do much about them. For instance, he KNEW there was Russian interference in the 2016 campaign but there is no indication that he did anything proactively about it. But he wanted his constituency to believe he was doing something with his great 'concern'.

President Trump is a different kind of President. He didn't offer much notice of his Executive Order in September of last year and it received pretty much zero MSM coverage.
Access Denied

Interesting that the google link translates to Access Denied. Would that be so that few people would bother to click on it?

But it is pretty obvious that President Trump is not only concerned, but intends to actively respond to that kind of thing.
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I refuse to address any posts regarding past presidents as this is not a competition. We have problems and they need to be resolved and Obama can no longer resolve them. Trump has clearly stated that he "alone can fix it" and as such, he has that opportunity.

As far the bolded paragraph, I am not going to agree or disagree with your statement but if there is one thing that your statement does say is that Trump has an MO and his MO has been to make things of concern publicly known and to repeat it ad nauseam. He does not keep general issues quiet. He may not give details on what he is doing but he wants everyone to know he is doing something.

On this issue, he has not only kept it quiet but actually said he believes Putin when he said he had nothing to do with meddling with our elections. If there is one thing that Trump hates to the nth degree is to be made a fool and saying he believes Putin over convincing proof from our intelligence community and now also proof from Mueller, has made him look like an absolute idiot.

As such, you have no case, using your own words.
 
AlbqOwl said:
What Congress isn't going to emphasize though is that very few people saw those ads that were seen mostly in solid blue states where they had essentially little or no chance of having any affect.
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Thanks for the info.

I did another search "Russian Facebook election interference ads" and then selected images. What I saw was unimpressive.

The subject matter was very similar to what was being promoted by Politicians as talking points and their Campaign Ads. Plus, Political Pundits. Talking Heads. News Media. Memes. Debates on Forums. etc.

Russia has been using multiple means for many years to interfere and to negatively impact Our Nation.

Russian interference was ignored during the Obama years it only became a red hot button during the Trump years to negatively impact his Presidency along with all the other negatives we have witnessed since the day Trump took office.

Roseann:)
 
Fishking said:
So the question is whether Russia doing a few things is a bigger problem than a voting populous that gets swayed by a few memes.
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Voters will be swayed by many things but never in unison. The same meme seen by 10 different people will sway each person in a different way.

If there is a game plan of destroying the reputation of someone and that gets sent to 26 million people 129 million times, you can be sure that most of the people will be swayed in one direction and not 10 different directions.
 
CharisRose said:
1. I wasn't trying to prove anything to you. I simply provided information to answer your question.

2. I agree, the question was simple. I simply, offered information. You made the OP more complicated by adding the cyber security versus border security fervor issue.

3. Thank You for acknowledging what I had proven to be the case.

4. Keep in mind...

a.That there was and still is an actual border security crisis and that it is escalating.

b.The crisis was being ignored and was said to be something Trump fabricated in order to get his wall.

Perhaps, Trump was speaking constantly with fervor and was closing down the government in desperation based on the fact he knew the crisis was real.

Plus, the fact that he was dealing with an actual fabricated story being put out daily.

Fabricated story being... There was no crisis at the border. Trump was faking that crisis in order to build... His Trump Wall.

My opinion Bottom Line is, That you want to compare Trump's constant border talk versus how Trump has not publically updated cybersecurity information as a political negative Trump talking point.

Based on that idea, I think you are assuming based on your negative opinion of Trump that he must be thinking border security (his big beautiful ego wall) is far more important than the cybersecurity of Our Nation.

I think, Trump's big ego will also work to the Nation's advantage and cause him to work just as hard to build a big beautiful cybersecurity wall. And, that cyber Trump ego wall will not have a door.

President Trump releases national cybersecurity strategy

(imho) Roseann:)
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That is great, but then explain this:

State Dept. Was Granted $120 Million to Fight Russian Meddling. It Has Spent $0..

WASHINGTON — As Russia’s virtual war against the United States continues unabated with the midterm elections approaching, the State Department has yet to spend any of the $120 million it has been allocated since late 2016 to counter foreign efforts to meddle in elections or sow distrust in democracy.

As a result, not one of the 23 analysts working in the department’s Global Engagement Center — which has been tasked with countering Moscow’s disinformation campaign — speaks Russian, and a department hiring freeze has hindered efforts to recruit the computer experts needed to track the Russian efforts.

The delay is just one symptom of the largely passive response to the Russian interference by President Trump, who has made little if any public effort to rally the nation to confront Moscow and defend democratic institutions.
 
Luckyone said:
That is great, but then explain this:

State Dept. Was Granted $120 Million to Fight Russian Meddling. It Has Spent $0..

WASHINGTON — As Russia’s virtual war against the United States continues unabated with the midterm elections approaching, the State Department has yet to spend any of the $120 million it has been allocated since late 2016 to counter foreign efforts to meddle in elections or sow distrust in democracy.

As a result, not one of the 23 analysts working in the department’s Global Engagement Center — which has been tasked with countering Moscow’s disinformation campaign — speaks Russian, and a department hiring freeze has hindered efforts to recruit the computer experts needed to track the Russian efforts.

The delay is just one symptom of the largely passive response to the Russian interference by President Trump, who has made little if any public effort to rally the nation to confront Moscow and defend democratic institutions.
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SOURCE: ?

Roseann:)
 
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