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A simple question for all Trump Supporters

Luckyone said:
My question to all Trump supporters is "Why is Trump not doing something to protect our nation against election interference by Russia (or anyone else)?

If Trump's repeated claims that the Security of our nation is the most important thing, why is he not addressing our free elections interference with the same strength he is addressing the border crisis. He wants $28 billion to build a border wall to stop illegal immigration but has not asked for one single additional penny to ensure free elections that if hacked could change our entire country.

WHY?

By the way, I promise to read all Trump supporter answers even if on my ignore list.
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Wasn't these so-called "attack" a few Facebook ads? Who the hell cares?
 
AlphaOmega said:
You have your Presidents confused. Obama was the one that allowed Russia to meddle in our elections. Show me your thread on that so we can ensure you have integrity on this important matter of russia meddling in our elections.
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This has nothing to do with comparison. This is about Russian meddling and Trump addressing the problem with the same fervor and attention he is addressing the wall. He is not giving it the same importance and yet it is more important than the wall because it affects our Democracy and the ability of the people to choose who are to be its representatives. Whatever Obama did or did not do, is past history. We now have to tackle this problem and Trump clearly said "I alone can do it".
 
CLAX1911 said:
Wasn't these so-called "attack" a few Facebook ads? Who the hell cares?
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So you don't care that 26 million people were sent ads or were contacted as friends and told lies that would help Trump win and the opponent lose? Would you be saying the same thing if Hillary had made a deal with Putin and she (instead of Trump) was helped to win by the Russian? Would your lack of caring be the same?
 
Luckyone said:
This has nothing to do with comparison. This is about Russian meddling and Trump addressing the problem with the same fervor and attention he is addressing the wall. He is not giving it the same importance and yet it is more important than the wall because it affects our Democracy and the ability of the people to choose who are to be its representatives. Whatever Obama did or did not do, is past history. We now have to tackle this problem and Trump clearly said "I alone can do it".
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What would you like him to do and how do you know he isnt already doing it? Plus, how do you expect him to stop Russians from posting Facebook ads?
 
Luckyone said:
So you don't care that 26 million people were sent ads or were contacted as friends and told lies that would help Trump win and the opponent lose? Would you be saying the same thing if Hillary had made a deal with Putin and she (instead of Trump) was helped to win by the Russian? Would your lack of caring be the same?
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Why would Donald Trump be involved in Russians buying ads on Facebook? No I don't care about political ads. The moment they start I hate them all.
 
Luckyone said:
This has nothing to do with comparison. This is about Russian meddling and Trump addressing the problem with the same fervor and attention he is addressing the wall. He is not giving it the same importance and yet it is more important than the wall because it affects our Democracy and the ability of the people to choose who are to be its representatives. Whatever Obama did or did not do, is past history. We now have to tackle this problem and Trump clearly said "I alone can do it".
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Who is comparing? Obama was factually the president who allowed russia to meddle in our elections. If you truly want to address how to stop Russia from doing this then you should be looking into Obama and how it happened and why he allowed it. Why haven't you done this? Oh yeah your TDS doesn't allow this. You actually are criticising Trump for what Obama did and don't see your logic fail. It's fascinating really.
 
Luckyone said:
So you don't care that 26 million people were sent ads or were contacted as friends and told lies that would help Trump win and the opponent lose? Would you be saying the same thing if Hillary had made a deal with Putin and she (instead of Trump) was helped to win by the Russian? Would your lack of caring be the same?
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Hmm... millions of folks were "friends" with Russians and there is no congressional investigation into all of those "treasonous" folks?

Do you vote based on ads seen online or on the advice of your "friends"?
 
Fletch said:
What would you like him to do and how do you know he isnt already doing it? Plus, how do you expect him to stop Russians from posting Facebook ads?
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As I stated before, I don't have the solutions to the problem but most problems get resolved by bringing them to the attention of the public and getting together with knowledgeable people to find solutions. In addition, you have to fund any initiative.

The Cyber security issue is being addressed but mostly by individual companies and some by the government themselves, without the help from Trump.

Trump made a BIG deal of the border crisis. Every day he was orating about how it had to be stopped. He went ahead and stopped the government for 34 days to make a point of how important it was. He then proceeded to name it a national crisis so that he could appropriate an "additional" $28 million dollar (above what was already assigned to the problem) to build the wall.

Flash back to the Cyber Security crisis and addressing the 2020 election so Russian influence in our election (or the influence of any other nation) and you will find that Trump has not said anything, has not requested additional funds, has not even stated that it is a problem. To him, election meddling could be a 400 lb guy on his computer and not the Russians. After all, he asked Putin if he was doing any of that and Putin told him no and he believes him.

Election meddling is much more important to our nation than illegal aliens because if a candidate gets elected to office that is pro-Russia and against the U.S., he could do more damage than a million illegal aliens coming through.

Trump is not giving this problem the attention it deserves and it begs the question as to WHY he is not.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Hmm... millions of folks were "friends" with Russians and there is no congressional investigation into all of those "treasonous" folks?

Do you vote based on ads seen online or on the advice of your "friends"?
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First of all, you evidently have not read Mueller's report. He clearly stated that much of the meddling was done by "supposed friends" on Facebook that were not really friends but Russians appearing to be friends. 26 million Facebook users received information from Russians and those 26 million in response submitted over 129 million responses to other friends on Facebook. By the same token, research has shown that 9.21% of people on Facebook buy off of ads on Facebook so even if you don't consider that the election-meddling ads came from a friend, it is still likely that about 2.7 million facebook users were likely to have changed their minds on Hillary and toward Trump because of it.

Given that the difference in the election was less than 80,000 votes in 3 states (which by the way were targeted by the Russians), it is entirely possible and probably even likely that the Russian Facebook propaganda is what made Trump win the election.

Okay, that is now old news and not something that can be changed but do you want the same weakness again in 2020. What if X Democratic candidate makes a deal with Putin to give him what he wants in exchange for help in winning the election and 26 million Facebook users are targeted in favor of the X Democratic nominee and against Trump. Would you accept that? Would you accept a Democratic win if it was found out that Russia helped that person win?
 
Luckyone said:
First of all, you evidently have not read Mueller's report. He clearly stated that much of the meddling was done by "supposed friends" on Facebook that were not really friends but Russians appearing to be friends. 26 million Facebook users received information from Russians and those 26 million in response submitted over 129 million responses to other friends on Facebook. By the same token, research has shown that 9.21% of people on Facebook buy off of ads on Facebook so even if you don't consider that the election-meddling ads came from a friend, it is still likely that about 2.7 million facebook users were likely to have changed their minds on Hillary and toward Trump because of it.

Given that the difference in the election was less than 80,000 votes in 3 states (which by the way were targeted by the Russians), it is entirely possible and probably even likely that the Russian Facebook propaganda is what made Trump win the election.

Okay, that is now old news and not something that can be changed but do you want the same weakness again in 2020. What if X Democratic candidate makes a deal with Putin to give him what he wants in exchange for help in winning the election and 26 million Facebook users are targeted in favor of the X Democratic nominee and against Trump. Would you accept that? Would you accept a Democratic win if it was found out that Russia helped that person win?
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It was precisely the lack of any evidence of that (bolded above) which led Mueller to "exonerate" Trump (of "collusion") in his report. You are making the giant (illogical?) leap from party A wanted Hillary to lose and party B wanted Hillary to lose therefore A (must have?) conspired (colluded?) with B to make that happen.
 
Luckyone said:
they influenced the last election. According to Muller's report, more than 26 million people received negative information about Hillary and those the total times that information was received by Facebook accounts was in excess of 129 million times. You tell me how serious that is!
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Umm...not serious at all. Do you think any Hillary supporter saw them and decided to change their votes? Did you see the examples that they gave? How does that compare to the extremely imbalanced coverage by our own media?
 
CharisRose said:
Bullseye,

:thumbs:Thank You for answering Luckyone's questions.

Looks like I wasted my time providing all that information for him. Didn't want to continue wasting my time.

Roseann:)
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Neither you nor Bullseye proved anything.

The OP question was simple. It was "why isn't Trump addressing the cyber security issue with the same fervor that he is addressing the border security issue. After all, our election process that chooses the candidates that will lead us has more impact than illegal aliens coming in to the U.S."

I never said the issue was not being addressed, which is what you have proven to be the case.

Keep in mind that Trump talked about the border security issue and the illegal aliens almost every single day of his presidency. Funds were already appropriated by Congress for that issue but Trump wanted MORE done. He wanted an ADDITIONAL $28 million dollars on top of what was already appropriated. He closed the government for 34 days (cost to the U.S. of $6 billion) and then he even named it a national crisis that if he wins that argument, funds from other projects will be diverted for the wall.

Flash back to the election meddling issue. Show me one time that Trump has even mentioned it. That he has even addressed it from the point of view that Russia was the culprit (he said it could be a 400 lb guy on his computer doing it). That he has said anything in a way that makes anyone believe that he is as against Russian meddling in the election as he is against illegal aliens coming in. No additional funds have been requested by Trump to address this issue as a national crisis, which it is because election meddling can change who represents us and if that is filled by a Pro-Russian or Pro-China person, much more damage than a 100,000 illegal aliens can cause. More funding and help has been requested by Homeland Security.

Here is a sample of how Trump is handling this crisis:

HELSINKI, Finland — President Trump stood next to President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia on Monday and publicly challenged the conclusion of his own intelligence agencies that Moscow interfered in the 2016 presidential election, wrapping up what he called a “deeply productive” summit meeting with an extraordinary show of trust for a leader accused of attacking American democracy.

In a remarkable news conference, Mr. Trump did not name a single action for which Mr. Putin should be held accountable. Instead, he saved his sharpest criticism for the United States and the special counsel investigation into the election interference, calling it a “ridiculous” probe and a “witch hunt” that has kept the two countries apart.

Mr. Trump even questioned the determinations by his intelligence officials that Russia had meddled in the election.
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In addition, this headline says it all"

State Dept. Was Granted $120 Million to Fight Russian Meddling. It Has Spent $0..

WASHINGTON — As Russia’s virtual war against the United States continues unabated with the midterm elections approaching, the State Department has yet to spend any of the $120 million it has been allocated since late 2016 to counter foreign efforts to meddle in elections or sow distrust in democracy.

As a result, not one of the 23 analysts working in the department’s Global Engagement Center — which has been tasked with countering Moscow’s disinformation campaign — speaks Russian, and a department hiring freeze has hindered efforts to recruit the computer experts needed to track the Russian efforts.

The delay is just one symptom of the largely passive response to the Russian interference by President Trump, who has made little if any public effort to rally the nation to confront Moscow and defend democratic institutions.
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Notice that the amount that was allocated was $120 million. Compared to the $28 Billion that Trump is asking for border security, is not not even a drop in the bucket.

Bottom line, Trump is not giving importance to election meddling as he is to border security and it is a bigger problem and more important to the future of our country!
 
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AlphaOmega said:
You have your Presidents confused. Obama was the one that allowed Russia to meddle in our elections. Show me your thread on that so we can ensure you have integrity on this important matter of russia meddling in our elections.
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OK, let's, for the sake of argument, assume your premise that Russia meddling was Obama's fault.

That implies you don't believe Trump was correct when he defended Putin's denial of meddling, in complete opposition to what Trump said his intel chiefs told him. If it was indeed Obama's fault, then meddling by Russia did take place.

Second, Obama has been out of office for more than two years. Like it or not, it is no longer his responsibility. Right now, here today, it is Trump's responsibility. Unfortunately, Trump's last word on the matter was that it didn't happen. Since it didn't happen, according to Trump, it can't be Obama's fault.

So, which is it? Is Trump right and it can't be Obama's fault? Or is Trump wrong and since he is the president now he has the responsibility to take action to prevent a similar occurrence?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
It was precisely the lack of any evidence of that (bolded above) which led Mueller to "exonerate" Trump (of "collusion") in his report. You are making the giant (illogical?) leap from party A wanted Hillary to lose and party B wanted Hillary to lose therefore A (must have?) conspired (colluded?) with B to make that happen.
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You are still not addressing the issue of the lack of interest from Trump in doing anything about election meddling by the Russians.
 
Fishking said:
Umm...not serious at all. Do you think any Hillary supporter saw them and decided to change their votes? Did you see the examples that they gave? How does that compare to the extremely imbalanced coverage by our own media?
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Why don't you tell that to the companies that spend billions of dollars in advertising. How about Coke and Pepsi, why are they spending huge amounts of money to have people switch from one to the other. Are you saying that advertising does not work?
 
Luckyone said:
My question to all Trump supporters is "Why is Trump not doing something to protect our nation against election interference by Russia (or anyone else)?

If Trump's repeated claims that the Security of our nation is the most important thing, why is he not addressing our free elections interference with the same strength he is addressing the border crisis. He wants $28 billion to build a border wall to stop illegal immigration but has not asked for one single additional penny to ensure free elections that if hacked could change our entire country.

WHY?

By the way, I promise to read all Trump supporter answers even if on my ignore list.
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Trump is and has done something.

Access Denied

Trump scraps Obama rules on cyberattacks, giving military freer hand - POLITICO

Donald Trump's new cybersecurity plan allows more offensive operations
 
Luckyone said:
You are still not addressing the issue of the lack of interest from Trump in doing anything about election meddling by the Russians.
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You cannot change the past. You also cannot deny that Russian sanctions have been imposed and even (useless?) indictments for those (12?) Russians known to have meddled were issued by Trump's DOJ. I have asked you repeatedly to explain what actions you wanted Trump to take to stop Russians (or anyone else outside the US) from using the internet to "influence elections", yet you remain silent on what actions you wanted (expected?) Trump to take.
 
Fishking said:
Umm...not serious at all. Do you think any Hillary supporter saw them and decided to change their votes? Did you see the examples that they gave? How does that compare to the extremely imbalanced coverage by our own media?
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Hillary supporter? No, of course not. However, as Mitt Romney so astutely pointed out back in 2012, it is the undecided voters, the swing voters, that sliver of voters in the middle who are worth fighting for and who decide elections. And yes, I believe those voters, at least of good portion of them could be swayed to vote for Trump if they were exposed to Russian fake campaign advertising.
 
Luckyone said:
Why don't you tell that to the companies that spend billions of dollars in advertising. How about Coke and Pepsi, why are they spending huge amounts of money to have people switch from one to the other. Are you saying that advertising does not work?
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1. Political advertisement is different. People who are going to vote D are going to vote D, no matter what, for the most part. And people who vote R will vote R.

2. What Russia did was a drop in the bucket compared to the levels of media manipulation that went on during the last elections. They spend $100K on it and even that was mostly spent after the elections. We spent orders of magnitude higher amounts of money complaining about, investigating into, ect than anything Russia did.
 
Stealers Wheel said:
Hillary supporter? No, of course not. However, as Mitt Romney so astutely pointed out back in 2012, it is the undecided voters, the swing voters, that sliver of voters in the middle who are worth fighting for and who decide elections. And yes, I believe those voters, at least of good portion of them could be swayed to vote for Trump if they were exposed to Russian fake campaign advertising.
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Oh OK...could you show me one of their more effective adds, or even an example of one?
 
Fishking said:
Oh OK...could you show me one of their more effective adds, or even an example of one?
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Are you still in denial about Russian meddling in the election and their supporters for Trump?
 
Luckyone said:
As I stated before, I don't have the solutions to the problem but most problems get resolved by bringing them to the attention of the public and getting together with knowledgeable people to find solutions. In addition, you have to fund any initiative.

The Cyber security issue is being addressed but mostly by individual companies and some by the government themselves, without the help from Trump.

Trump made a BIG deal of the border crisis. Every day he was orating about how it had to be stopped. He went ahead and stopped the government for 34 days to make a point of how important it was. He then proceeded to name it a national crisis so that he could appropriate an "additional" $28 million dollar (above what was already assigned to the problem) to build the wall.

Flash back to the Cyber Security crisis and addressing the 2020 election so Russian influence in our election (or the influence of any other nation) and you will find that Trump has not said anything, has not requested additional funds, has not even stated that it is a problem. To him, election meddling could be a 400 lb guy on his computer and not the Russians. After all, he asked Putin if he was doing any of that and Putin told him no and he believes him.

Election meddling is much more important to our nation than illegal aliens because if a candidate gets elected to office that is pro-Russia and against the U.S., he could do more damage than a million illegal aliens coming through.

Trump is not giving this problem the attention it deserves and it begs the question as to WHY he is not.
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You seem to forget that Trump has been the victim of a two year liberal smear campaign for which he was completely innocent. It is you guys on the left that have been playing into Putins hands and now you want Trump to do something about it. Maybe if you guys stop lying we could get things accomplished.
 
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