A simple question for all Trump Supporters

Luckyone · Apr 20, 2019

WASHINGTON—Robert Mueller’s long-awaited report is unambiguously clear on this point: Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election and sought to help Donald Trump win the White House.

The United States has yet to respond with an effective agenda designed to safeguard the democratic process against foreign interference. President Trump waited until he had been in office for eighteen months and the midterm elections were less than one hundred days away before he finally convened a pro forma National Security Council meeting to address the topic, but no major new authorities or initiatives resulted. He subsequently signed an executive order to punish perpetrators of election interference, but its effect remains unclear. The efforts of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), the FBI, and other agencies lack the necessary resources, focus, and coordination with private companies and state agencies on the front lines of this information war. To deter future foreign interference in U.S. politics, the United States should make countering and deterring foreign interference a top national security priority. This necessitates that the United States restructure its national security apparatus to identify and counter foreign interference in cyberspace, partner with democratic allies, and impose significant costs on those responsible for such attacks.

Donald Trump has been absent as Russia attacked our election and democracy. He has been weak in his response to the 2016 election interference since taking office. He refused to implement new sanctions during his first year as president, despite the fact that the intelligence community unanimously concluded that Russia had interfered. When Special Counsel Robert Mueller indicted 13 Russian nationals for election interference, his silence on the threat of interference continued. And despite warnings from top intelligence officials that Russia is planning to interfere once again in the upcoming midterm elections, Trump has done nothing to stop them or secure our elections. Our president is refusing to protect our democracy.

All told, the Russian attack on the election has been confirmed by the intelligence community in two separate reports, and by the Trump administration’s attorney general based on the results of the Mueller investigation.

It’s real. It happened. And it’ll keep happening unless we fight back.

The question of the decade is this: why hasn’t Trump done anything to protect the United States against a confirmed series of Russian attacks upon the very cornerstone of American representative democracy: our elections?

My question to all Trump supporters is "Why is Trump not doing something to protect our nation against election interference by Russia (or anyone else)?

If Trump's repeated claims that the Security of our nation is the most important thing, why is he not addressing our free elections interference with the same strength he is addressing the border crisis. He wants $28 billion to build a border wall to stop illegal immigration but has not asked for one single additional penny to ensure free elections that if hacked could change our entire country.

WHY?

By the way, I promise to read all Trump supporter answers even if on my ignore list.

Mycroft · Apr 20, 2019

Luckyone said:
My question to all Trump supporters is "Why is Trump not doing something to protect our nation against election interference by Russia (or anyone else)?

If Trump's repeated claims that the Security of our nation is the most important thing, why is he not addressing our free elections interference with the same strength he is addressing the border crisis. He wants $28 billion to build a border wall to stop illegal immigration but has not asked for one single additional penny to ensure free elections that if hacked could change our entire country.

WHY?

By the way, I promise to read all Trump supporter answers even if on my ignore list.

Why would you think those three websites would have any idea if Trump is doing anything about election interference or not?

Luckyone · Apr 20, 2019

Mycroft said:
Why would you think those three websites would have any idea if Trump is doing anything about election interference or not?

Simple question to answer.

Trump has made his attempts to stop the border crisis extremely public, to the point that he even stopped the government for 34 days, announced it to be a national crisis, and publicly stating his goal of stopping the crisis. He has yet to mention Russian interference actions even once, other than to support Putin's statement that he did not interfere. That is like Mexico saying they are not allowing immigrants to go through Mexico to the U.S. and Trump saying "I believe the Mexican President.

In addition, don't you think Trump himself would be mentioning his protection from Russian interference as a means to get support from his supporters and the rest of the population? After all, aren't we all against Russian interference? What better opportunity for him to get some anti-trump people to his side!

As such, it evidently is not important to him.

Mycroft · Apr 20, 2019

Luckyone said:
Simple question to answer.

Trump has made his attempts to stop the border crisis extremely public, to the point that he even stopped the government for 34 days, announced it to be a national crisis, and publicly stating his goal of stopping the crisis. He has yet to mention Russian interference actions even once, other than to support Putin's statement that he did not interfere. That is like Mexico saying they are not allowing immigrants to go through Mexico to the U.S. and Trump saying "I believe the Mexican President.

In addition, don't you think Trump himself would be mentioning his protection from Russian interference as a means to get support from his supporters and the rest of the population? After all, aren't we all against Russian interference?

As such, it evidently is not important to him.

So...you think these websites have knowledge of what Trump is or is not doing based on...

1. Trump has talked about his attempts to deal with the border crisis, but has not talked about what he has done or not done to deal with election interference.

2. Trump should talk about it to gain support.

Seriously?

1. The border issue and the election interference issue are not related.

DISMISSED

2. Trump isn't a politician. He doesn't do stuff "to get support". He does stuff to get something done.

DISMISSED

What you seem to not consider is that those websites do NOT know what Trump has or has not done because they don't have access to actions that are classified.

But hey...what's another molehill raised into a nothingburger by the application of idiocy and speculation? Have fun with this, Luckyone.

Luckyone · Apr 20, 2019

Mycroft said:
So...you think these websites have knowledge of what Trump is or is not doing based on...

1. Trump has talked about his attempts to deal with the border crisis, but has not talked about what he has done or not done to deal with election interference.

2. Trump should talk about it to gain support.

Seriously?

1. The border issue and the election interference issue are not related.

DISMISSED

2. Trump isn't a politician. He doesn't do stuff "to get support". He does stuff to get something done.

DISMISSED

What you seem to not consider is that those websites do NOT know what Trump has or has not done because they don't have access to actions that are classified.

But hey...what's another molehill raised into a nothingburger by the application of idiocy and speculation? Have fun with this, Luckyone.

Mycroft, you are once again proving why I have no discussions with you. You are going against all common sense, meaning that you have no interest in the truth, just the truth you want.

Back to no contact.

Pippi Longstock · Apr 20, 2019

Meanwhile Putin is laughing his ars off.

Risky Thicket · Apr 20, 2019

Trump cannot and will not admit that Russians did attempt to interfere with and may well have influenced a very close election in his favor.

Now before people start to tell me to prove that the Russian effort was successful my response will be "prove that Russian efforts to ensure Trump was elected were not successful". Or prove the degree to which they were or were not successful.

Trump's malignant narcissism prevents his objectivity in all facets of his life including the reality outside his head.

Trump could accept the facts that we all know: Russia made numerous and varied attempts to influence the election. Trump cannot and will not admit nor will he accept it. As a result, he has not done anything and likely will not do anything to prevent the likelihood of the same or worse happening to America in the future. Why? Because in his very narrow world it isn't about American democracy, it is about him.

I believe that most Americans feel that our democratic process is all but sacred. I don't know of many Americans who do not want to ensure that our elections are safe from influence. That includes all forms of dark money.

Finally, who wouldn't want to know if other foreign governments made significant attempts to influence our elections including 2016? Say, Saudi Arabia, as an example. Shouldn't the President of the United States do everything within his or her power to find the answers and to identify and take every possible corrective and preventive action? Of course, he or she should. Trump hasn't. It is NOT a priority for Trump.

Mycroft · Apr 20, 2019

Luckyone said:
Mycroft, you are once again proving why I have no discussions with you. You are going against all common sense, meaning that you have no interest in the truth, just the truth you want.

Back to no contact.

Well, there you go. You have no rebuttal.

I'm not surprised.

Mycroft · Apr 20, 2019

Risky Thicket said:
Now before people start to tell me to prove that the Russian effort was successful my response will be "prove that Russian efforts to ensure Trump was elected were not successful". Or prove the degree to which they were or were not successful.

LOL!!

Following Mueller's example now, eh?

"We can't prove Trump did anything, but we can't prove he didn't do anything, either."

And here you are asking people to prove a negative just like Mueller said he couldn't do.

NWRatCon · Apr 20, 2019

Luckyone said:
My question to all Trump supporters is "Why is Trump not doing something to protect our nation against election interference by Russia (or anyone else)?

If Trump's repeated claims that the Security of our nation is the most important thing, why is he not addressing our free elections interference with the same strength he is addressing the border crisis. He wants $28 billion to build a border wall to stop illegal immigration but has not asked for one single additional penny to ensure free elections that if hacked could change our entire country.

WHY?
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While I think this is the important question, in light of Volume I of the Mueller report, I don't think you are going to get a reasoned, or any, really, response from Trump supporters. It is an open secret that they don't care about national security, they just want to support "their" man. I think, though, that question is what separates conservatives from Trump acolytes. "Real" conservatives have concern about national security.

I think, really, you can divide the Republican/conservative polity into three categories: a) Staunch conservatives who want to uphold their principles and standards (many of whom are never-Trumpers and many of whom have left the Republican party, often quite publicly); b) Conservatives who despair over Trump's behavior, but "can't quit him" because he's a Republican and they're getting the tax cuts and judicial nominees they have salivated over for decades, so they "look the other way"; and c) Trump acolytes who like his behavior because it discomfits "libruls", regardless of whether his policies are good for the nation or even consistent with their values. These are the ones who parrot anti-Obama, anti-Democrat rhetoric without understanding any of the policies. They populate my "ignore" list as well. (If it comes down to it, we can discuss the psychology behind it, but that would seem to be off-topic.) Frankly, I'd like to hear from the first two groups in this thread.

Carleen · Apr 20, 2019

Risky Thicket said:
Trump cannot and will not admit that Russians did attempt to interfere with and may well have influenced a very close election in his favor.

Now before people start to tell me to prove that the Russian effort was successful my response will be "prove that Russian efforts to ensure Trump was elected were not successful". Or prove the degree to which they were or were not successful.

Trump's malignant narcissism prevents his objectivity in all facets of his life including the reality outside his head.

Trump could accept the facts that we all know: Russia made numerous and varied attempts to influence the election. Trump cannot and will not admit nor will he accept it. As a result, he has not done anything and likely will not do anything to prevent the likelihood of the same or worse happening to America in the future. Why? Because in his very narrow world it isn't about American democracy, it is about him.

I believe that most Americans feel that our democratic process is all but sacred. I don't know of many Americans who do not want to ensure that our elections are safe from influence. That includes all forms of dark money.

Finally, who wouldn't want to know if other foreign governments made significant attempts to influence our elections including 2016? Say, Saudi Arabia, as an example. Shouldn't the President of the United States do everything within his or her power to find the answers and to identify and take every possible corrective and preventive action? Of course, he or she should. Trump hasn't. It is NOT a priority for Trump.

Tump just loves dictators and the Mueller report has shown just how hard he wanted to try and rule his way not the American way as a president should. And the rule of law party? Crickets

Luckyone · Apr 20, 2019

NWRatCon said:
While I think this is the important question, in light of Volume I of the Mueller report, I don't think you are going to get a reasoned, or any, really, response from Trump supporters. It is an open secret that they don't care about national security, they just want to support "their" man. I think, though, that question is what separates conservatives from Trump acolytes. "Real" conservatives have concern about national security.

I think, really, you can divide the Republican/conservative polity into three categories: a) Staunch conservatives who want to uphold their principles and standards (many of whom are never-Trumpers and many of whom have left the Republican party, often quite publicly); b) Conservatives who despair over Trump's behavior, but "can't quit him" because he's a Republican and they're getting the tax cuts and judicial nominees they have salivated over for decades, so they "look the other way"; and c) Trump acolytes who like his behavior because it discomfits "libruls", regardless of whether his policies are good for the nation or even consistent with their values. These are the ones who parrot anti-Obama, anti-Democrat rhetoric without understanding any of the policies. They populate my "ignore" list as well. (If it comes down to it, we can discuss the psychology behind it, but that would seem to be off-topic.) Frankly, I'd like to hear from the first two groups in this thread.

I asked this question because it is evidently topical at this time, it is evidently clear evidence of Trump's ideas and goals and it is evidently a question that cannot be answered positively by Trump supporters and the amount of responses (or lack thereof) to it will prove the amount of blindness and brainwashing-by-trump that exists.

Anyone that truly cares about this nation has to address this one very clear example of whether Trump's words mean anything or are just lies to fulfill his personal and selfish goals.

I too am anxiously awaiting to see the amount of responses. One (Mycroft) has already answered but his answer is as wacky as it can be and proves he lives in a fantasy world that none of us can go to without abandoning all reason. So far no one else has responded.

trixare4kids · Apr 20, 2019

Luckyone said:
My question to all Trump supporters is "Why is Trump not doing something to protect our nation against election interference by Russia (or anyone else)?

If Trump's repeated claims that the Security of our nation is the most important thing, why is he not addressing our free elections interference with the same strength he is addressing the border crisis. He wants $28 billion to build a border wall to stop illegal immigration but has not asked for one single additional penny to ensure free elections that if hacked could change our entire country.

WHY?

By the way, I promise to read all Trump supporter answers even if on my ignore list.

Where was your outrage when Obama ignored Russian interference?
Unless you are reading another report, the Mueller investigative report did not put Trump in a bad light regarding the above.
I know that's not the question you asked, but creating a deflection and blaming Trump for what Obama ignored and failed to do is predictably amusing...Imagine this. IF Obama had done his job, the guy you hate probably wouldn't have won. :lamo

:2wave:

Democratic strategist rips Obama for not doing enough to stop Russian election interference

ttwtt78640 · Apr 20, 2019

Luckyone said:
My question to all Trump supporters is "Why is Trump not doing something to protect our nation against election interference by Russia (or anyone else)?

If Trump's repeated claims that the Security of our nation is the most important thing, why is he not addressing our free elections interference with the same strength he is addressing the border crisis. He wants $28 billion to build a border wall to stop illegal immigration but has not asked for one single additional penny to ensure free elections that if hacked could change our entire country.

WHY?

By the way, I promise to read all Trump supporter answers even if on my ignore list.

What election was hacked? Please list the state(s) involved and the affect on vote totals.

Luckyone · Apr 20, 2019

trixare4kids said:
Where was your outrage when Obama ignored Russian interference.
Unless you are reading another report, The Mueller investigative report did not put Trump in a bad light regarding the above.
I know that's not the question you asked, but creating a deflection and blaming Trump for what Obama ignored and failed to do is predictably amusing...Imagine this. IF Obama had done his job, the guy you hate probably wouldn't have won. :lamo

:2wave:

Democratic strategist rips Obama for not doing enough to stop Russian election interference

Actually Trix, you are 100% right in your post. By the same token, why haven't you answered the question of the OP, rather than deflect to someone (Obama) that can no longer make decisions for our country? Are you more interested in finding fault that in finding a solution to the problem? Is the future of free elections not of interest to you?

bubbabgone · Apr 20, 2019

Luckyone said:
My question to all Trump supporters is "Why is Trump not doing something to protect our nation against election interference by Russia (or anyone else)?

If Trump's repeated claims that the Security of our nation is the most important thing, why is he not addressing our free elections interference with the same strength he is addressing the border crisis. He wants $28 billion to build a border wall to stop illegal immigration but has not asked for one single additional penny to ensure free elections that if hacked could change our entire country.

WHY?

By the way, I promise to read all Trump supporter answers even if on my ignore list.

Given the following from the Report ...

"The IRA’s U.S. operations sought to influence public opinion through online media and forums. By the spring of 2014, the IRA began to consolidate U.S. operations within a single general department, known internally as the “Translator” (переводчик) department. "
"IRA employees also traveled to the United States on intelligence-gathering missions. In June 2014, four IRA employees applied to the U.S. Department of State to enter the United States, while lying about the purpose of their trip and claiming to be four friends who had met at a party. Ultimately, two IRA employees — Anna Bogacheva and Aleksandra Krylova — received visas and entered the United States on June 4, 2014."
"Starting as early as 2014, the IRA’s U.S. operations included social media specialists focusing on Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter. The IRA later added specialists who operated on Tumblr and Instagram accounts."
"As early as 2014, the IRA instructed its employees to target U.S. persons who could be used to advance its operational goals. Initially, recruitment focused on U.S. persons who could amplify the content posted by the IRA. "

Shouldn't your question be better directed to Obama supporters?

Risky Thicket · Apr 20, 2019

Luckyone said:
I asked this question because it is evidently topical at this time, it is evidently clear evidence of Trump's ideas and goals and it is evidently a question that cannot be answered positively by Trump supporters and the amount of responses (or lack thereof) to it will prove the amount of blindness and brainwashing-by-trump that exists.

Anyone that truly cares about this nation has to address this one very clear example of whether Trump's words mean anything or are just lies to fulfill his personal and selfish goals.

I too am anxiously awaiting to see the amount of responses. One (Mycroft) has already answered but his answer is as wacky as it can be and proves he lives in a fantasy world that none of us can go to without abandoning all reason. So far no one else has responded.

You actually read Mycroft's posts?

Risky Thicket · Apr 20, 2019

trixare4kids said:
Where was your outrage when Obama ignored Russian interference?
Unless you are reading another report, the Mueller investigative report did not put Trump in a bad light regarding the above.
I know that's not the question you asked, but creating a deflection and blaming Trump for what Obama ignored and failed to do is predictably amusing...Imagine this. IF Obama had done his job, the guy you hate probably wouldn't have won. :lamo

:2wave:

Democratic strategist rips Obama for not doing enough to stop Russian election interference

In with Obama Whataboutism at #13. Bad form. You can do better than #13. If you are going to deflect a thread you must get in earlier.

beefheart · Apr 20, 2019

Risky Thicket said:
In with Obama Whataboutism at #13. Bad form. You can do better than #13. If you are going to deflect a thread you must get in earlier.

Asking Trump supporters to be honest and truthful and show a tiny bit of IQ in answering an honest question in a thread here is pretty much impossible, as has been seen by the response so far, expect it to be much worse in the subsequent comments.

They are all worn out from their pyrrhic victory dancing, and the actual results of the Muelller report are starting to sink into their propaganda filled brains.

Luckyone · Apr 20, 2019

ttwtt78640 said:
What election was hacked? Please list the state(s) involved and the affect on vote totals.

If you are asking this, then you must be on another planet. Mueller has already confirmed that the Russians interfered in our last election. As far as confirming whether it affected the election or not, why is that important? You mean to tell me that you support the Russians trying as long as there are no clear effects of it?

That would be like saying that you support someone attacking you as long as there was no damage done. Is that what you are saying?

Barnacle · Apr 20, 2019

Luckyone said:
Actually Trix, you are 100% right in your post. By the same token, why haven't you answered the question of the OP, rather than deflect to someone (Obama) that can no longer make decisions for our country? Are you more interested in finding fault that in finding a solution to the problem? Is the future of free elections not of interest to you?

Because all that **** that we have now happened under Obama's watch ... and he knew it and didn't do **** about it.

September 2016 - Obama said he told Putin to "cut it out". :lamo

WCH · Apr 20, 2019

Luckyone said:
Simple question to answer.

Trump has made his attempts to stop the border crisis extremely public, to the point that he even stopped the government for 34 days, announced it to be a national crisis, and publicly stating his goal of stopping the crisis. He has yet to mention Russian interference actions even once, other than to support Putin's statement that he did not interfere. That is like Mexico saying they are not allowing immigrants to go through Mexico to the U.S. and Trump saying "I believe the Mexican President.

In addition, don't you think Trump himself would be mentioning his protection from Russian interference as a means to get support from his supporters and the rest of the population? After all, aren't we all against Russian interference? What better opportunity for him to get some anti-trump people to his side!

As such, it evidently is not important to him.

Shouldn't that be a priority of the FBI/CIA/ etc. agencies to stop that instead of 'investigating' our own?
BTW they've known foreign powers have been trying to sabotage our country for decades. I'm sure all sorts of black monies have been allocated towards that goal.

Phys251 · Apr 20, 2019

trixare4kids said:
Where was your outrage when Obama ignored Russian interference?
Unless you are reading another report, the Mueller investigative report did not put Trump in a bad light regarding the above.
I know that's not the question you asked, but creating a deflection and blaming Trump for what Obama ignored and failed to do is predictably amusing...Imagine this. IF Obama had done his job, the guy you hate probably wouldn't have won. :lamo

:2wave:

Democratic strategist rips Obama for not doing enough to stop Russian election interference

And there's the whataboutism from a tRump supporter. Like clockwork.

Barnacle · Apr 20, 2019

Luckyone said:
If you are asking this, then you must be on another planet. Mueller has already confirmed that the Russians interfered in our last election. As far as confirming whether it affected the election or not, why is that important? You mean to tell me that you support the Russians trying as long as there are no clear effects of it?
That would be like saying that you support someone attacking you as long as there was no damage done. Is that what you are saying?

We didn't need Mueller for that ... most of us have seen the $300,000-social-media interference by Russians ... (grin)

:lamo ... :lamo ... :lamo

trixare4kids · Apr 20, 2019

Luckyone said:
Actually Trix, you are 100% right in your post. By the same token, why haven't you answered the question of the OP, rather than deflect to someone (Obama) that can no longer make decisions for our country? Are you more interested in finding fault that in finding a solution to the problem? Is the future of free elections not of interest to you?

Your questions are silly.

It took the Mueller report to confirm Obama's intelligence did little to nothing.

You assume Trump's intelligence, the DOJ, HSD, the FBI, and national intelligence are doing nothing to stop Russian interference when in fact, there's proof that they have. Kind of busts your tin-pan theory that Trump has done "nothing".

Have a nice day... :lol:

Justice Dept. Accuses Russians of Interfering in Midterm Elections

“We are concerned about ongoing campaigns by Russia, China and other foreign actors, including Iran, to undermine confidence in democratic institutions and influence public sentiment and government policies,” said a statement from the director of national intelligence, the Homeland Security Department, the F.B.I. and other agencies."

A simple question for all Trump Supporters

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Sewer Rat

Mycroft

Genius is where you find it.

Mycroft

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NWRatCon

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Carleen

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ttwtt78640

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beefheart

Ice Cream for Crow?

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Phys251

Purge evil with Justice

Barnacle

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