Read All About It! NO COLLUSION... NO COLLUSION.... NO COLLUSION!

Extracted from Vol. I, page 2 of the Redacted Mueller Report:

In evaluating whether evidence about collective action of multiple individuals constituted
a crime,

we applied the framework of conspiracy law, not the concept of "collusion.

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" In so doing,
the Office recognized that the word "collud[ e ]" was used in communications with the Acting
Attorney General confirming certain aspects of the investigation's scope and that the term has
frequently been invoked in public reporting about the investigation. But collusion is not a specific
offense or theory of liability found in the United States Code, nor is it a term of art in federal
criminal law. For those reasons, the Office's focus in analyzing questions of joint criminal liability
was on conspiracy as defined in federal law. In connection with that analysis, we addressed the
factual question whether members of the Trump Campaign "coordinat[ ed]"-a term that appears
in the appointment order-with Russian election interference activities. Like collusion,
"coordination" does not have a settled definition in federal criminal law. We understood
coordination to require an agreement-tacit or express- between the Trump Campaign and the
Russian government on election interference. That requires more than the two parties taking
actions that were informed by or responsive to the other's actions or interests. We applied the term
coordination in that sense when stating in the report that the investigation did not establish that the
Trump Campaign coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.

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Chump and many of his Trumpanzees keep bring up the phrase "NO COLLUSION" in reference to a primary conclusion made in the Mueller's Report. They seem to have made the phrase their #1 Talking Point!

In reality, the Mueller Team applied the framework of Conspiracy Law, not the concept of Collusion.

This attempt to promote a False Flag brings to mind the expression "The Devil lies in the details."

Does the Truth prevail? Or do the Trumpanzees prevail by repeating the phrase "NO COLLUSION"?

Trippy Trekker said:

Extracted from Vol. I, page 2 of the Redacted Mueller Report:



Chump and many of his Trumpanzees keep bring up the phrase "NO COLLUSION" in reference to a primary conclusion made in the Mueller's Report. They seem to have made the phrase their #1 Talking Point!

In reality, the Mueller Team applied the framework of Conspiracy Law, not the concept of Collusion.

This attempt to promote a False Flag brings to mind the expression "The Devil lies in the details."

Does the Truth prevail? Or do the Trumpanzees prevail by repeating the phrase "NO COLLUSION"?

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they did that because "collusion" is NOT a legal term. when they say there was no conspiracy, they mean Trump DID NOT break the law in regards to Russian interference.

NO CRIME. SAME DIFFERENCE.

Trippy Trekker said:

Extracted from Vol. I, page 2 of the Redacted Mueller Report:



Chump and many of his Trumpanzees keep bring up the phrase "NO COLLUSION" in reference to a primary conclusion made in the Mueller's Report. They seem to have made the phrase their #1 Talking Point!

In reality, the Mueller Team applied the framework of Conspiracy Law, not the concept of Collusion.

This attempt to promote a False Flag brings to mind the expression "The Devil lies in the details."

Does the Truth prevail? Or do the Trumpanzees prevail by repeating the phrase "NO COLLUSION"?

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LOL!!

Who, exactly, kept bringing up "collusion"?

The word "collusion" was repeated by everyone -- media, talking heads, politicians, etc. not just Trump or Trump supporters.

Trippy Trekker said:

Extracted from Vol. I, page 2 of the Redacted Mueller Report:



Chump and many of his Trumpanzees keep bring up the phrase "NO COLLUSION" in reference to a primary conclusion made in the Mueller's Report. They seem to have made the phrase their #1 Talking Point!

In reality, the Mueller Team applied the framework of Conspiracy Law, not the concept of Collusion.

This attempt to promote a False Flag brings to mind the expression "The Devil lies in the details."

Does the Truth prevail? Or do the Trumpanzees prevail by repeating the phrase "NO COLLUSION"?

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Yet another wasted thread on a topic that is already solved and done with.

Josie said:

The word "collusion" was repeated by everyone -- media, talking heads, politicians, etc. not just Trump or Trump supporters.

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I was a deliberate Trump meme to divert from an actual crime to a legally meaningless term. Hundreds of "accidental" meetings with Russians by the Trump team were all innocent coincidences.
Like the time Eric Prince flew from his home in Dubai to the Seychelles Islands, halfway between East Africa and India. Who knew that Putin's bagman would be there at exactly the same time and they would happen to bump into each other?
It looks like implausible deniability from here!
Erik Prince’s Seychelles meeting that Mueller is zeroing in on, explained - Vox

Manc Skipper said:

I was a deliberate Trump meme to divert from an actual crime to a legally meaningless term. Hundreds of "accidental" meetings with Russians by the Trump team were all innocent coincidences.
Like the time Eric Prince flew from his home in Dubai to the Seychelles Islands, halfway between East Africa and India. Who knew that Putin's bagman would be there at exactly the same time and they would happen to bump into each other?
It looks like implausible deniability from here!
Erik Prince’s Seychelles meeting that Mueller is zeroing in on, explained - Vox

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So the media these last two years have been on this "deliberate Trump meme to divert..." as they repeatedly - 24/7 - talked about Trump/Russia Collusion?

While I have never faced a Federal Conspiracy charge, the State of Florida charged me with Felony Conspiracy in 1973 ... and again in 1986.

In the first case, the State dropped the charge after a judge ruled a wiretap illegal.

In the second case, I never waived my Right to Speedy Trial. At the end of 180 days, the State dropped the charge. I assume the State lacked confidence in the prospect of obtaining a conviction.

I have never had anywhere close to the resources that Team Chump has to mount a spirited defense. I conclude a prosecution team has to surmount a very high bar to win a conviction on a Conspiracy charge.

Manc Skipper said:

I was a deliberate Trump meme to divert from an actual crime to a legally meaningless term. Hundreds of "accidental" meetings with Russians by the Trump team were all innocent coincidences.
Like the time Eric Prince flew from his home in Dubai to the Seychelles Islands, halfway between East Africa and India. Who knew that Putin's bagman would be there at exactly the same time and they would happen to bump into each other?
It looks like implausible deniability from here!
Erik Prince’s Seychelles meeting that Mueller is zeroing in on, explained - Vox

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it makes no difference ou there if we use the legally meaningless term... what was investigated WAS a legally meaningful term called CONSPIRACY. that article is from 2018. I am sure Mueller took all that into consideration when he concluded that no conspiracy occurred.

Trippy Trekker said:

Extracted from Vol. I, page 2 of the Redacted Mueller Report:



Chump and many of his Trumpanzees keep bring up the phrase "NO COLLUSION" in reference to a primary conclusion made in the Mueller's Report. They seem to have made the phrase their #1 Talking Point!

In reality, the Mueller Team applied the framework of Conspiracy Law, not the concept of Collusion.

This attempt to promote a False Flag brings to mind the expression "The Devil lies in the details."

Does the Truth prevail? Or do the Trumpanzees prevail by repeating the phrase "NO COLLUSION"?

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Mueller actually said the Trump Campaign did not conspire and did not coordinate. The left was told there's no illegal term of collusion, except in finance, in the beginning, to begin shouting that from the roof tops now is just obfuscation.

Trippy Trekker said:

While I have never faced a Federal Conspiracy charge, the State of Florida charged me with Felony Conspiracy in 1973 ... and again in 1986.

In the first case, the State dropped the charge after a judge ruled a wiretap illegal.

In the second case, I never waived my Right to Speedy Trial. At the end of 180 days, the State dropped the charge. I assume the State lacked confidence in the prospect of obtaining a conviction.

I have never had anywhere close to the resources that Team Chump has to mount a spirited defense. I conclude a prosecution team has to surmount a very high bar to win a conviction on a Conspiracy charge.

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they either conspired with Russian agents to modify the election, or they did not. Mueller says they did not.

Hypothetical said:

they either conspired with Russian agents to modify the election, or they did not. Mueller says they did not.

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I interpret the results differently.

Mueller concluded insufficient evidence existed to obtain a Conspiracy conviction.

Mueller left open the possibility Chump obstructed justice. Mueller explicitly references a lack of cooperation among some of the witnesses. This lack of cooperation adversely affected the investigation.

Trippy Trekker said:

I interpret the results differently.

Mueller concluded insufficient evidence existed to obtain a Conspiracy conviction.

Mueller left open the possibility Chump obstructed justice. Mueller explicitly references a lack of cooperation among some of the witnesses. This lack of cooperation adversely affected the investigation.

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See, that's the difference between you...and a reasoned, unbiased, honest person: You "interpret". The other person reads and accepts exactly what was said.

The fact is, Mueller did not say what you interpreted him to be saying.

Hypothetical said:

they either conspired with Russian agents to modify the election, or they did not. Mueller says they did not.

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But that does not mean they did nothing wrong.

pinqy said:

But that does not mean they did nothing wrong.

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Nothing compared to what was "done wrong" in the origins of the BASED-ON-THE-RUSSIA-LIES Witch Hunt, as you and yours are in the process of being edified about....even as you read this...the wheels are turning....

pinqy said:

But that does not mean they did nothing wrong.

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Perhaps you can tell me who did something wrong.

If you can do that, then perhaps Rosenstein appointed the wrong person to be special counsel, eh?

Trippy Trekker said:

Extracted from Vol. I, page 2 of the Redacted Mueller Report:



Chump and many of his Trumpanzees keep bring up the phrase "NO COLLUSION" in reference to a primary conclusion made in the Mueller's Report. They seem to have made the phrase their #1 Talking Point!

In reality, the Mueller Team applied the framework of Conspiracy Law, not the concept of Collusion.

This attempt to promote a False Flag brings to mind the expression "The Devil lies in the details."

Does the Truth prevail? Or do the Trumpanzees prevail by repeating the phrase "NO COLLUSION"?

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So you admit that mueller was tasked to run a investigation into something that is not a crime.

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trouble13 said:

So you admit that mueller was tasked to run a investigation into something that is not a crime.

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Ha ha! I got a strong whiff of Bradentucky mentality... thank you for participating! I didn't admit anything remotely close to your statement.

Trippy Trekker said:

Extracted from Vol. I, page 2 of the Redacted Mueller Report:



Chump and many of his Trumpanzees keep bring up the phrase "NO COLLUSION" in reference to a primary conclusion made in the Mueller's Report. They seem to have made the phrase their #1 Talking Point!

In reality, the Mueller Team applied the framework of Conspiracy Law, not the concept of Collusion.

This attempt to promote a False Flag brings to mind the expression "The Devil lies in the details."

Does the Truth prevail? Or do the Trumpanzees prevail by repeating the phrase "NO COLLUSION"?

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Not much of a revelation you have there.
The word "collusion" had long ago become shorthand for "conspiracy" and "coordination" because collusion was what Trump was accused of.

But if it makes you feel better the Report said "Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

Better now?

Trippy Trekker said:

Ha ha! I got a strong whiff of Bradentucky mentality... thank you for participating! I didn't admit anything remotely close to your statement.

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Do you deny that we were told at the start of the investigation we we were told that trump and his campagin were being investigated for colluding with Russia?

Many of us have said from the begining that collusion is not a crime. Now you have in the report, mueller saying collusion is not a crime too. He makes the admission that he added to the scope of his investigation to include conspiracy.

That admission reinforces the claim that Mueller was on a fishing expedition. Stop and think about what they are admitting now.

Mueller was hired to investigate something that was not a crime. He then went on to find a crime to investigate Trump for. That is far different than saying in the course of investigating a crime we found no evidence that linked the suspect to that crime but in the course of the investigation we uncovered evidence linking the suspect to other crimes.

It sounds to me that many of the critics of this investigation were right about it from the start and its concluding almost exactly as they had predicted it would.

The only crimes being charged are process crimes and there are even very few of them overall.

Now instead of admitting their suspicions were wrong and closing this. The Democrats trying to move on from it by demanding more investigations into other aspects of his personal life in hopes of finding evidence to link him to new crimes that have not even been identified yet.

Is this the new precident we want to set for elected officals. Should they all prepare themselves for neverending criminal investigations into their lives and those associated with them now?





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Trippy Trekker said:

Extracted from Vol. I, page 2 of the Redacted Mueller Report:



Chump and many of his Trumpanzees keep bring up the phrase "NO COLLUSION" in reference to a primary conclusion made in the Mueller's Report. They seem to have made the phrase their #1 Talking Point!

In reality, the Mueller Team applied the framework of Conspiracy Law, not the concept of Collusion.

This attempt to promote a False Flag brings to mind the expression "The Devil lies in the details."

Does the Truth prevail? Or do the Trumpanzees prevail by repeating the phrase "NO COLLUSION"?

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Within the tRump Bubble the tRump mantra seems to be working. Nowhere else, tho... lolz...

Its funny that after 3 years of ****ting themselves SCREAMING.... "TRUMP!!! COLLUSION!!! AAAAARRRRRRGGGGHHHHH" the idiot leftists are NOW running around claiming collusion was never the focus. WHat? Collusion? Who said anything about collusion?

:lamo

You just cant make that **** up. Its too ****ing funny.

bubbabgone said:

Not much of a revelation you have there.
The word "collusion" had long ago become shorthand for "conspiracy" and "coordination" because collusion was what Trump was accused of.

But if it makes you feel better the Report said "Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

Better now?

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Yes, that's it. The trumpies and the ruskies met multiple times to discuss their common goals. They exchanged information. tRumpie lied repeatedly about that.

I like the actual report just fine (still rereading it), but BarrTrumpWorld seems a tad upset now that the whole story has erased Barr's spin.

Trippy Trekker said:

While I have never faced a Federal Conspiracy charge, the State of Florida charged me with Felony Conspiracy in 1973 ... and again in 1986.

In the first case, the State dropped the charge after a judge ruled a wiretap illegal.

In the second case, I never waived my Right to Speedy Trial. At the end of 180 days, the State dropped the charge. I assume the State lacked confidence in the prospect of obtaining a conviction.

I have never had anywhere close to the resources that Team Chump has to mount a spirited defense. I conclude a prosecution team has to surmount a very high bar to win a conviction on a Conspiracy charge.

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bubbabgone said:

Not much of a revelation you have there.
The word "collusion" had long ago become shorthand for "conspiracy" and "coordination" because collusion was what Trump was accused of.

But if it makes you feel better the Report said "Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

Better now?

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Better now? Huh?

I already explained in post #8, a prosecution team has to surmount a very high bar to win a Conspiracy conviction.

The redacted Mueller Report cast Team Chump in a very bad light. The Devil lies in the details. Chump continues to face intense scrutiny from 14 other ancillary investigations.

I understand a desire to sustain a ruse for as long as possible. Florida Con Man "Dare to be Great" Glen Turner, founder of Koscot and well known in the Orlando area in the 1970s, use to say "Fake it till you Make it."

Glen ran for Congress. I voted for him in a 1974 college straw poll.

Trippy Trekker said:

Extracted from Vol. I, page 2 of the Redacted Mueller Report:



Chump and many of his Trumpanzees keep bring up the phrase "NO COLLUSION" in reference to a primary conclusion made in the Mueller's Report. They seem to have made the phrase their #1 Talking Point!

In reality, the Mueller Team applied the framework of Conspiracy Law, not the concept of Collusion.

This attempt to promote a False Flag brings to mind the expression "The Devil lies in the details."

Does the Truth prevail? Or do the Trumpanzees prevail by repeating the phrase "NO COLLUSION"?

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Trump is their representative. He represents their morals and values.

Do you think Trump cares one wit about he or his allies breaking the law? So I think Trump wins with his base. He represents their morals, so why wouldn't he?