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So, I don't get it; what does "very conservative" actually mean? Tight suit, thin tie? Let's unpeel this onion.


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jet57 said:
So, I don't get it; what does "very conservative" actually mean? Tight suit, thin tie? Let's unpeel this onion.


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It generally is a self-declaration that one is dumber and/or more "ignernt" than most conservatives one might otherwise encounter.
 
I expect it means socially conservative. I doubt anyone would add 'very' for economic positions.
 
ecofarm said:
I expect it means socially conservative. I doubt anyone would add 'very' for economic positions.
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Why not? Repeal the Federal Income Tax, Bring back the Gold and Silver standard, require balanced budgets every year, etc.
 
SDET said:
Why not? Repeal the Federal Income Tax, Bring back the Gold and Silver standard, require balanced budgets every year, etc.
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Sounds moderate.
 
ecofarm said:
I expect it means socially conservative. I doubt anyone would add 'very' for economic positions.
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Red:
??? Why not? I daresay there's no economic position that isn't aptly measured on a spectrum.
  • There are degrees of capitalism, until one gets to no capitalism, which is called "command economy," or until one gets to pure capitalism, which is, by most economists, called "laissez faire."
  • One can ascribe to the principles of a variety of social welfare models, or one can ascribe to a blend of several of them.
  • One can advocate pure economic positivist public policy, or one can advocate pure economic normativist public policy, or one can advocate for some positivist policy in some areas and normative policy in others. If one does the last, depending on where one lands on the spectrum, be economically very, somewhat, etc. economically positivist/normative.
I can't say how many folks are "very" anything economically, and I'm sure most folks don't understand economics well enough to know whether they're
"very" "this or that" as goes their economic stances; however, the folks who are comprehensively trained in economics and who are "very" "this or that" will surely attest to being so, and there are folks who are "very" "whatever" as goes their economic stance(s).

I'm a very economically positivist person, but I'm not a pure positivist. I'm about as close as one can get and not be a pure positivist, which is to say that in all my years -- both in school and professionally -- I've yet to find someone as or more positivist than I.
 
jet57 said:
So, I don't get it; what does "very conservative" actually mean? Tight suit, thin tie? Let's unpeel this onion.


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On this board?

"I'm 'bout t' gon' git' mahsef' bah'ned!"
 
opposite of "very liberal".
 
ecofarm said:
I expect it means socially conservative. I doubt anyone would add 'very' for economic positions.
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Not sure about social conservative these days either, seem to be some looking the other way these days...
 
jet57 said:
So, I don't get it; what does "very conservative" actually mean? Tight suit, thin tie? Let's unpeel this onion.


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Perhaps someone who holds no liberal or "progressive" positions on any matter.
 
Xelor said:
Red:
??? Why not? I daresay there's no economic position that isn't aptly measured on a spectrum.
  • There are degrees of capitalism, until one gets to no capitalism, which is called "command economy," or until one gets to pure capitalism, which is, by most economists, called "laissez faire."
  • One can ascribe to the principles of a variety of social welfare models, or one can ascribe to a blend of several of them.
  • One can advocate pure economic positivist public policy, or one can advocate pure economic normativist public policy, or one can advocate for some positivist policy in some areas and normative policy in others. If one does the last, depending on where one lands on the spectrum, be economically very, somewhat, etc. economically positivist/normative.
I can't say how many folks are "very" anything economically, and I'm sure most folks don't understand economics well enough to know whether they're
"very" "this or that" as goes their economic stances; however, the folks who are comprehensively trained in economics and who are "very" "this or that" will surely attest to being so, and there are folks who are "very" "whatever" as goes their economic stance(s).

I'm a very economically positivist person, but I'm not a pure positivist. I'm about as close as one can get and not be a pure positivist, which is to say that in all my years -- both in school and professionally -- I've yet to find someone as or more positivist than I.
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People don't feel strongly about their economic positions, even if radical, relatively.

Tell someone "we need the Fair Tax and a balanced budget". Even if they're far far left, are they gonna get upset? No.

Tell someone "you can't have the Fair Tax and you can't have a balanced budget!" Even if they're far far right, are they gonna get upset? No.

Social issues, people get emotional. Social issues are where the emotion is at. I propose the 'very' emphatic goes with emotion and not desire for a balanced budget and lower taxes.
 
In my experience the difference between conservative and very conservative, and liberal and very liberal, is over-identification with partisanship.
 
Casper said:
Not sure about social conservative these days either, seem to be some looking the other way these days...
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Well, you sure seem sure about the "red" statement," as well you should be, for they are.
 
jet57 said:
So, I don't get it; what does "very conservative" actually mean? Tight suit, thin tie? Let's unpeel this onion.


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Your question has caused me to change my profile. Sometimes life experience brings about change.
 
Xelor said:
It generally is a self-declaration that one is dumber and/or more "ignernt" than most conservatives one might otherwise encounter.
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"Very conservative" to a stupid democrat is just another way of saying "basketsfull of deplorables."
 
Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals.
-- Mark Twain
 
Xelor said:
Well, you sure seem sure about the "red" statement," as well you should be, for they are.
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Yeup, selective vision and outrage, whatever is convenient and makes them feel better is the order of the day. Hoped to not see it displayed quite so openly, oh well.
 
Northern Light said:
In my experience the difference between conservative and very conservative, and liberal and very liberal, is over-identification with partisanship.
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Very conservative to me means ideas which are not partisan but convictions which run deeper than politics.
 
Casper said:
Not sure about social conservative these days either, seem to be some looking the other way these days...
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I've never been able to take socially conservative positions seriously, except very pro guns and mild pro life (no ban before second trimester).
 
up is down, down is up. you didn't hear what you heard, you didn't see what you saw, you can only follow The Bible and St Reagan.

anything that disagrees with you is socialism or communism.
 
Felis Leo said:
Perhaps someone who holds no liberal or "progressive" positions on any matter.
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I was more thinking that it aligns with "very liberal", but I gave up on these labels back when conservatives started labeling themselves "real liberals" or "classical liberals".

In tests I usually come out as "left-libertarian", but the libertarian and "left" labels are so messy I just let people figure it out for themselves.
 
ecofarm said:
People don't feel strongly about their economic positions, even if radical, relatively.

Tell someone "we need the Fair Tax and a balanced budget". Even if they're far far left, are they gonna get upset? No.

Tell someone "you can't have the Fair Tax and you can't have a balanced budget!" Even if they're far far right, are they gonna get upset? No.

Social issues, people get emotional. Social issues are where the emotion is at. I propose the 'very' emphatic goes with emotion and not desire for a balanced budget and lower taxes.
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Blue:
I'm quite sure you're mistaken.

Were you to show up at my DC home tonight and stand at the front door, I could, by 6 p.m. tomorrow parade over 100 people through the door, each of whom would, in response to "we need the Fair Tax," respond with something akin to "Oh, hell no, we don't!" Moreover, every last one of them would know exactly what the Fair Tax is and what's amiss with the notion of implementing it.

I doubt my nonagenarian mother knows what the Fair Tax is, and I know her economics background is limited to at most two courses of fundamental instruction, but I know the instant I explain it to her, even with her age addled senses, she'd say something such as, "Child, have you lost your mind?"

Each of the folks, Momma included, would oppose the Fair Tax on equitability, normative grounds.


FWIW, if one is of a mind and irked that wealthy folks get away without paying enough taxes now, one's going to "go ballistic" were Fair Tax enacted.



Red:
That may be so, but balanced budgets and tax policy are but two of the many, many economic stances folks have or can have. Your proposition does not "hold water" if it's based on your abducting the nature and extent of folks' positions/responses on but two of them.

Your proposition seems to animate Rothbard's tacit sentiment I alluded to in the post to which your above remarks are a reply.


It is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a "dismal science."’ But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance.
-- Murray N. Rothbard​
 
<alt>doxygen said:
On this board?

"I'm 'bout t' gon' git' mahsef' bah'ned!"
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not true, I’m not very cobservative...and I got the three day hopper pass to Disney, without airfare or hotel stay, come to think of it the tickets didn’t work either. But it was a very relaxing trip :mrgreen: it’s good to get away
 
It’s like conservative, but more so.

;)
 
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