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Should Democrats Impeach Trump?

Trump beating Hillary in the last election is NOT an impeachable offense.
 
OscarLevant said:
A censure will do. The Senate will kill any impeachment, and make Trump stronger.
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People who don't follow politics have no idea what is in the report. They don't pay attention to this. They will pay attention to a Senate trial to remove the president. People pay attention to trials. They listen to the witnesses. They don't pay attention to reports.

A Senate trial would greatly damage Trump just as that whole email mess damaged Hillary. Most people probably didn't understand the Hillary email issues. But they did understand that she was under investigation and that tainted her.

To those who don't pay attention, if Democrats don't do anything it will look to them like Trump was innocent and victim of persecution. And that's exactly how he'll campaign.

I still believe that if most of the American people learn that Trump ordered people to lie repeatedly, they will turn against him. But most people don't know any of that. They just know "no collusion."
 
Logical1 said:
Trump beating Hillary in the last election is NOT an impeachable offense.
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Your president repeatedly ordered people to lie for him. He is thoroughly corrupt. That's not even an opinion. It's a fact.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Keep what in mind? A bunch of Republican talking points?

Mueller did NOT say there was no obstruction. He did NOT say there was not enough evidence. That was Barr lying. He laid out the evidence and left it to Congress to decide. Mueller said it wasn't his job to decide. He just presented the facts.

So, it's the responsibility of Congress to decide.

You know that Trump was afraid that the investigation would uncover things. That's why he said "I'm ****ed" and "my presidency is over." Then he proceeded to fire Comey and tried to fire Mueller but McGahan and others refused.

The Mueller report paints a picture of a corrupt president. The only question now is are you corrupt too? How many American have integrity?

This president is morally unfit to lead anyone. His own staff have to disobey his corrupt orders. It's absurd. You know it.
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There's Mycroft again, linking to Fox News (he doesn't watch it).

Yes, I'm sure everyone is on the edge of their seats waiting for words from Jim "I like to watch young men get molested" Jordan and Mark "I'm racist and proud of it" Meadows. Well, scratch that - Trump Fan Nation is.

Ignorance is all around us.

To answer your question in the OP, they should do it, but they won't, because the Republicans in the Senate, with only a very few exceptions, sold their souls to the ***** grabber in the Oval Office. They won't vote to impeach him. Better the Dems put up a good candidate and beat him in 2020.
 
Again making democrats cry is NOT an impeachable offense.
 
lets put it this way.. if they DON'T successfully impeach him, or at least try to, they cannot say he committed obstruction come 2020.

if they DO try to, they may face a backlash for that, since there was no conspiracy with the russians and its all a political ploy by the democrats.

choose your poison.

actually the worst case for them is they try to and are unsuccessful.
 
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SonOfDaedalus said:
People who don't follow politics have no idea what is in the report. They don't pay attention to this. They will pay attention to a Senate trial to remove the president. People pay attention to trials. They listen to the witnesses. They don't pay attention to reports.

A Senate trial would greatly damage Trump just as that whole email mess damaged Hillary. Most people probably didn't understand the Hillary email issues. But they did understand that she was under investigation and that tainted her.

To those who don't pay attention, if Democrats don't do anything it will look to them like Trump was innocent and victim of persecution. And that's exactly how he'll campaign.

I still believe that if most of the American people learn that Trump ordered people to lie repeatedly, they will turn against him. But most people don't know any of that. They just know "no collusion."
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Hell may of froze offer, I
You and I agree. If they don't impeach it will be viewed as admission that Trump is innocent. I really don't see how democrats can not impeach him at this point and hope that the public agrees with them about Trump when the trial is held.

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Hypothetical said:
lets put it this way.. if they DON'T successfully impeach him, or at least try to, they cannot say he committed obstruction come 2020.

if they DO try to, they may face a backlash for that, since there was no conspiracy with the russians and its all a political ploy by the democrats.

choose your poison.

actually the worst case for them is they try to and are unsuccessful.
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They don't have to convict him but they do need to persuade people into thinking what they alleged was reasonable. That's the challenge they face. If they don't even bother to try I don't think it will play well with the public.

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tres borrachos said:
There's Mycroft again, linking to Fox News (he doesn't watch it).

Yes, I'm sure everyone is on the edge of their seats waiting for words from Jim "I like to watch young men get molested" Jordan and Mark "I'm racist and proud of it" Meadows. Well, scratch that - Trump Fan Nation is.

Ignorance is all around us.

To answer your question in the OP, they should do it, but they won't, because the Republicans in the Senate, with only a very few exceptions, sold their souls to the ***** grabber in the Oval Office. They won't vote to impeach him. Better the Dems put up a good candidate and beat him in 2020.
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That's the first smart thing you have ever posted,
 
Stealers Wheel said:
Impeach? Not yet.

First, you start a parade of people named by the Mueller report. You swear them in, one by one, to testify to what is said about them in the report. You have them expose the details of conversations and interactions with others in the WH. You do this all in public hearings. You make Trump, Sanders, and Conway have to call each and every one of these people liars, over and over, day after day.

And you wait for the other shoe to drop. You listen for something to slip, something to open up a whole new line of questioning. You wait for something to come to light that was not revealed in the Mueller investigation. Perhaps discussions of pardons, witness tampering, etc.

The time for Trump to assert executive privilege is passed. If he was going to assert EP, he should have done so before the AG made the report public.

This is what happened during the Watergate Hearings back in 1973-74. Nixon's White House counsel, John Dean, fearing that he was about to be hung out to dry, made a scapegoat, spilled his guts about what he and the president had discussed, about how to silence the Watergate burglars.



Now, even if this parade does not convince the Republicans in the Senate to abandon Trump, it will weigh like an anchor over many of them as they seek re-election.

People on the right have been claiming that the talk of impeachment is just politics, just posturing. Well, I for one hope that the Dems kick it into high gear now. I want to see each and every GOP senator squirm as they turn themselves into pretzels trying to defend their support of the orange weasel in the White House.
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If the two ding-a-lings from my state don't support Trump, they WILL feel the wrath of this electorate. We like that he has finally accomplished something good for the people.
 
There is a big risk to doing it. Trump is a cult- like prophet for large parts of the electorate. Impeachment may turn him into some kind of persecuted martyr. I can see Hannity on the air right now crying about the evil Pharisee dems persecuting a Messiah figure who was going to be the salvation of America.

Also, even if the house approves it, there’s a good chance the Senate will not, no matter how overwhelming the evidence.

On the other hand, not doing it would embolden him even further. That would send a signal to him, and any future corrupt or downright criminal presidents, that if you develop enough of a passionate cult following, the law is no obstacle. Republicans have to ask themselves if that is the precedent they want to set right now, because it may come back to bite them in the future with a Democrat president in the house.

I am leaning towards going ahead with the impeachment. Even if the Senate does not approve it, they will have to deal with the judgment of history. I am not talking about the judgment of the far future. The passions and sentiments that are driving the Trump movement right now will likely die out just in the next few years- and then the senators who are on record having put party over the nation and its laws will be left having to answer for why they refused to enforce the law and perform their constitutional duty of acting as a check and balance on the executive branch, as they had sworn to do.
 
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