Why some think it is not a good thing to allow Barr to "redact" the Mueller Report

humbolt · Apr 19, 2019

Slyfox696 said:
I'm describing reality. Collusion was confirmed and numerous campaign officials have admitted to it in a court of law. Mueller's report stated collusion occured.

You can continue posting lies, but it will not change reality.

This is another lie, easily disproven. Here is the exact letter written when Mueller was appointed:

Rosenstein letter appointing Mueller special counsel

Are you going to stop posting obvious lies?

Heh. Trump has been cleared of collusion and obstruction. Truth. Sorry the truth offends you, but that's your problem. Not mine.

Slyfox696 · Apr 19, 2019

humbolt said:
Heh. Trump has been cleared of collusion and obstruction. Truth. Sorry the truth offends you, but that's your problem. Not mine.

:lamo :lamo :lamo

No matter how many times the lies you post are exposed, you refuse to admit the truth (I especially loved calling out the lie about the objective, that was fun). The Trump campaign colluded, people admitted to it in a court of law and Mueller put it in his report. It's confirmed collusion occurred.

Trump defenders are the worst liars.

humbolt · Apr 19, 2019

Slyfox696 said:
:lamo :lamo :lamo

No matter how many times the lies you post are exposed, you refuse to admit the truth (I especially loved calling out the lie about the objective, that was fun). The Trump campaign colluded, people admitted to it in a court of law and Mueller put it in his report. It's confirmed collusion occurred.

Trump defenders are the worst liars.

Indict the campaign, then. You're a real genius.

Slyfox696 · Apr 19, 2019

humbolt said:
Indict the campaign, then. You're a real genius.

You are literally resorting to make absurd statements you know are absurd because you cannot bring yourself to admit truth. It's hilarious how much Trump defenders will contort themselves rather than simply admit the truth. It's like if they admit truth they can no longer exist.

Absolutely hilarious. The truth is the campaign colluded. It has been confirmed.

humbolt · Apr 19, 2019

Slyfox696 said:
You are literally resorting to make absurd statements you know are absurd because you cannot bring yourself to admit truth. It's hilarious how much Trump defenders will contort themselves rather than simply admit the truth. It's like if they admit truth they can no longer exist.

Absolutely hilarious. The truth is the campaign colluded. It has been confirmed.

So charge the "campaign". It's amazing how you've taken nothing, and turned it into even less. Not everybody can do that.

TamleeB · Apr 19, 2019

Slyfox696 said:
Collusion confirmed. Numerous campaign officials charged and pleaded guilty.

I'm over the lies you post.

Collusion confirmed?

Slyfox696 · Apr 19, 2019

humbolt said:
So charge the "campaign".

The fact you keep repeating your absurdity does not make it any less absurd.

The Trump campaign colluded. The fact you are doing everything you can to avoid admitting that (you're not even denying it, just refusing to admit it) proves you were not truthful about truth and justice.

TamleeB said:
Collusion confirmed?

It was confirmed even before the Mueller reports release.

humbolt · Apr 19, 2019

Slyfox696 said:
The fact you keep repeating your absurdity does not make it any less absurd.

The Trump campaign colluded. The fact you are doing everything you can to avoid admitting that (you're not even denying it, just refusing to admit it) proves you were not truthful about truth and justice.

You keep bringing the "campaign" up, not me. Maybe you should have an argument with yourself. I'm just pointing out that the campaign can't be charged with the crimes of collusion or obstruction. Individuals within the campaign could be so charged, but they have not been. That should tell you something. Sad that it doesn't.

Slyfox696 · Apr 19, 2019

humbolt said:
You keep bringing the "campaign" up, not me.

Yes, because that is what I said from the very beginning, to which you replied to me.

Maybe you should have an argument with yourself.

There's no argument. I'm just pointing out how you refuse to post an honest assessment of reality.

I'm just pointing out that the campaign can't be charged with the crimes of collusion or obstruction.

Which means you are saying stupid things you know are stupid. Meanwhile, you ignore the fact Mueller has shown the campaign colluded and that numerous members of the campaign have admitted they colluded.

You refuse to admit the truth, which is the campaign colluded. The fact you keep talking bout "charges" shows you know your point is dishonest but you do not care.

Individuals within the campaign could be so charged, but they have not been.

Another lie. Numerous people in the campaign were charged with lying about their collusion and admitted to their collusion.

Why do you still post if all you do is post lies?

humbolt · Apr 19, 2019

Slyfox696 said:
Yes, because that is what I said from the very beginning, to which you replied to me.

There's no argument. I'm just pointing out how you refuse to post an honest assessment of reality.

Which means you are saying stupid things you know are stupid. Meanwhile, you ignore the fact Mueller has shown the campaign colluded and that numerous members of the campaign have admitted they colluded.

You refuse to admit the truth, which is the campaign colluded. The fact you keep talking bout "charges" shows you know your point is dishonest but you do not care.

Another lie. Numerous people in the campaign were charged with lying about their collusion and admitted to their collusion.

Why do you still post if all you do is post lies?

The reality is, as recent news confirms, that Trump has been cleared of collusion and obstruction. You don't have to accept that. Just don't accuse those who do of lying or hiding from reality. There's more than adequate documentation that what I claim is the truth. Not so much for your claims, sadly enough.

Slyfox696 · Apr 19, 2019

humbolt said:
The reality is, as recent news confirms, that Trump has been cleared of collusion and obstruction.

Another lie. The Mueller report EXPLICITLY laid out collusion by the campaign and obstruction by Trump himself evidence.

If you cannot be honest about a report that was just released yesterday, why are you still posting?

Trump defenders are the worst liars.

humbolt · Apr 19, 2019

Slyfox696 said:
Another lie. The Mueller report EXPLICITLY laid out collusion by the campaign and obstruction by Trump himself evidence.

If you cannot be honest about a report that was just released yesterday, why are you still posting?

Trump defenders are the worst liars.

Oh, stop with all the lying accusations. You lost this a long time ago, and you damn well know it.

There is no legal purgatory in these matters. Mueller either refers charges, or he does not. He did not. Now, since You're stubbornly ignorant in this matter, I'll explain one last time how our judicial system works. People are presumed innocent unless PROVEN guilty, and proving someone guilty requires that they be charged with a crime, confronted with evidence, and convicted of that crime based on that evidence. Please note that Trump has not been charged with a crime. End of story. Go bloviate to someone else about lying and reality. I'm not interested in your manufactured reality, and I'm sick to death of you accusing me of lying because I don't accept your BS.

Slyfox696 · Apr 19, 2019

humbolt said:
Oh, stop with all the lying accusations.

It is not accusation, you are literally posting lies. And you know they are lies because I have told you.

You lost this a long time ago, and you damn well know it.

A long time ago I said the Trump campaign colluded. Mueller's report confirmed it. You are refusing to acknowledge.

The only thing I've lost is time arguing with someone who seemingly has no intention of discussing honestly, but it is time I've enjoyed, so...

There is no legal purgatory in these matters.

The fact you keep talking about "legal", when that has NEVER been what this is about shows just how weak your position is.

We're talking about collusion. If they committed illegal acts during the course of the collusion (which we're pretty certain they did, at least Manafort and Gates), then fine. If they didn't, then fine. But the fact is they COLLUDED. Which is what I have said from the very beginning. Collusion can occur, even if a specific legal indictment is not brought (the conspiracy with GRU and IRA is what you are talking about). You claiming otherwise is simply ridiculous.

Mueller either refers charges, or he does not. He did not. Now, since You're stubbornly ignorant in this matter, I'll explain one last time how our judicial system works. People are presumed innocent unless PROVEN guilty, and proving someone guilty requires that they be charged with a crime, confronted with evidence, and convicted of that crime based on that evidence. Please note that Trump has not been charged with a crime. End of story. Go bloviate to someone else about lying and reality. I'm not interested in your manufactured reality, and I'm sick to death of you accusing me of lying because I don't accept your BS.

More red herrings from you.

Trump campaign colluded. I said it from the beginning and you refuse to acknowledge it. You post lies about what Mueller has said and what the intent of his investigation was. I'm not accusing you of lying, I saying the statements you post are lies. If you don't like that, then I highly suggest you acknowledge the truth, which is the Trump campaign colluded.

humbolt · Apr 19, 2019

Slyfox696 said:
It is not accusation, you are literally posting lies. And you know they are lies because I have told you.

A long time ago I said the Trump campaign colluded. Mueller's report confirmed it. You are refusing to acknowledge.

The only thing I've lost is time arguing with someone who seemingly has no intention of discussing honestly, but it is time I've enjoyed, so...

The fact you keep talking about "legal", when that has NEVER been what this is about shows just how weak your position is.

We're talking about collusion. If they committed illegal acts during the course of the collusion (which we're pretty certain they did, at least Manafort and Gates), then fine. If they didn't, then fine. But the fact is they COLLUDED. Which is what I have said from the very beginning. Collusion can occur, even if a specific legal indictment is not brought (the conspiracy with GRU and IRA is what you are talking about). You claiming otherwise is simply ridiculous.

More red herrings from you.

Trump campaign colluded. I said it from the beginning and you refuse to acknowledge it. You post lies about what Mueller has said and what the intent of his investigation was. I'm not accusing you of lying, I saying the statements you post are lies. If you don't like that, then I highly suggest you acknowledge the truth, which is the Trump campaign colluded.

You're outta your mind. I'm not even gonna read this. I should know what I say are lies because you say so? My God, I don't think I've ever seen such a case of an unjustified, overblown ego before. There is objective truth, and I can assure you that without a doubt, you are not the arbiter of that reality. That's just plain insane. You carry on if you like, but don't expect any further response from me.

Slyfox696 · Apr 19, 2019

humbolt said:
You're outta your mind.

Translation: Slyfox is right and you know it.

I'm not even gonna read this.

Yes, why would you change your posting style now?

I should know what I say are lies because you say so?

There's a difference between ignorance and lying. You cannot claim ignorance because I've provided you with the truth.

My God, I don't think I've ever seen such a case of an unjustified, overblown ego before.

Or you just don't understand what you read. Which is what happened here.

There is objective truth

Agreed. And the objective truth is Mueller's report (and really his indictments before the report was public) has proven the Trump campaign colluded. Like I said and like you refuse to acknowledge.

and I can assure you that without a doubt, you are not the arbiter of that reality. That's just plain insane. You carry on if you like, but don't expect any further response from me.

You say all this but you refuse to acknowledge the fundamental truth that the Trump campaign colluded, just like I said in the very first post of mine you replied to.