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I think we're officially over the edge...

Jack Fabulous said:
According to the Fox piece, the students did call for his removal and the request was obliged. Sure, it's within the schools prerogative, but what the hell are we turning into when liking a tweet becomes grounds to lose your job?

I honestly HOPE that there is more to this but, sadly, it appears to be just that simple.
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Well, then what is the problem? They lost faith in him.
 
Barnacle said:
Yeah; the "distrust" started the day he announced on twitter about the new position he's gonna start ... 2 months later he's suspended.

I must say, those girls worked fast. :lol:
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No, I was speaking about after the Tweets. The student body and administration may have found his attitude unacceptable. In fact, that appears to be what happened.

Unfortunately - Trump & some of his supporters seem to think they can impress their views upon the non-government private independent citizenry, and that's not how it works.
 
Fishking said:
Come now...I know you aren't so naïve to believe them at their world, and you know it. You know that Jack is right in that it's going to be a matter of outrage in response to his social media activity. Now, you're right in pointing out that it's a private school so there won't be a legal issue here but is that the limit of your concern here with the story? Just that it was legal?
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It seems Trump & some of his supporters are hell-bent on impressing their world-view on private citizens and entities, here. It appears the school and students found they have no faith in the top cop. Obviously, they drew their own conclusion.

Maybe the guy with the loose fingers should think of the effects of his Tweets on those with different world views, before he fires-off some political Tweets, especially if he's accountable to the students & administration for his job? He doesn't sound like he's smart enough for the job, to be honest.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
Because he liked tweets by the president. That bastard! How dare he...
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It depends on what the President Tweeted, Jack. If it's an unacceptable Tweet, it doesn't matter who's sending it.

In my family we talk about Trump's unacceptable behaviour with the kids all the time. We put our kids through Catholic school - in part - to reflect our values; and quite honestly Trump often falls short. I suspect many other citizens feel the same as we do, including many at this school.
 
Chomsky said:
No, I was speaking about after the Tweets. The student body and administration may have found his attitude unacceptable. In fact, that appears to be what happened.
Unfortunately - Trump & some of his supporters seem to think they can impress their views upon the non-government private independent citizenry, and that's not how it works.
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Yeah ... his unacceptable attitude was that he is conservative. :lol:
 
Barnacle said:
Yeah ... his unacceptable attitude was that he is conservative. :lol:
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That's your surmising.

(and he is not a Conservative)

Many of us detest Trump for many reasons not related to his political lean, and I suspect it's the same with many of the students at this school. Trump may be wealthy, he may be the President, but he's a terrible example of a man. Would you want your kids to grow to be like Trump? Would you use him as an example? We (my family) surely don't.

And I disagree with your characterization of Trump as a Conservative; despite his appointing conservative judges to pacify the GOP & his base, he is not a Conservative. He's a authoritarian nationalist.
 
Chomsky said:
That's your surmising. Many of us detest Trump for many reasons not related to his political lean, and I suspect it's the same with many of the students at this school. Trump may be wealthy, he may be the President, but he's a terrible example of a man. Would you want your kids to grow to be like Trump? Would you use him as an example? We (my family) surely don't.

And I disagree with your characterization of Trump as a Conservative; despite his appointing conservative judges to pacify the GOP & his base, he is not a Conservative. He's a authoritarian nationalist.
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Where did I characterize Trump as a conservative?
 
Mr Person said:
Shame you omitted the next sentence:


Mount Holyoke President Sonya Stephens, writing on the college’s website, said “social media is not the reason he was placed on leave. We are reviewing several concerns and cannot comment further on personnel issues.”
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As we know, half truths by omission are still lies, funny thing is some will still run with it as if it were true.
 
Chomsky said:
It depends on what the President Tweeted, Jack. If it's an unacceptable Tweet, it doesn't matter who's sending it.

In my family we talk about Trump's unacceptable behaviour with the kids all the time. We put our kids through Catholic school - in part - to reflect our values; and quite honestly Trump often falls short. I suspect many other citizens feel the same as we do, including many at this school.
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According to sources, the Trump tweets were ones that ended with "build the wall" and the student "outrage" stemmed from "undocumented" students on campus who "no longer felt safe".(it was an undocumented young woman who expressed her outrage at the hearing which resulted in his suspension) There is nothing unacceptable about "build the wall", especially when you consider that the wall Trump wants to build is the one specifically requested by border patrol.

This is Orwellian, IMO.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
According to sources, the Trump tweets were ones that ended with "build the wall" and the student "outrage" stemmed from "undocumented" students on campus who "no longer felt safe".(it was an undocumented young woman who expressed her outrage at the hearing which resulted in his suspension) There is nothing unacceptable about "build the wall", especially when you consider that the wall Trump wants to build is the one specifically requested by border patrol.

This is Orwellian, IMO.
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I'm not a fan of suppressing speech in general, but what's Orwellian is trying to argue for influencing a private institution to toe the government line.
 
His own source quotes the college's president saying unequivocally “social media is not the reason he was placed on leave. We are reviewing several concerns and cannot comment further on personnel issues.”

But some talking head on ****ing Fox "News" says otherwise and that lines up with what he wanted to allege about no-doubt "leftist political correctness." So naturally he goes with Fox.

Jack Fabulous said:
According to the Fox piece, the students did call for his removal and the request was obliged. Sure, it's within the schools prerogative, but what the hell are we turning into when liking a tweet becomes grounds to lose your job?

I honestly HOPE that there is more to this but, sadly, it appears to be just that simple.
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Let's see how fair and balanced your Fox pieces is (by the way, it's an Opinion Piece and those don't even pretend to exist for the purpose of conveying facts):

From the day Trump was elected, the unloving, intolerant, and crybaby left went crazy -- Cry-ins, safe spaces, canceled classes, screaming at the sky, pink hat marches, and riots in streets. That’s how the left handles an election defeat. They freak out, throw tantrums, and lash out at those who support the president.
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Tomi Lahren: Campus police chief placed on leave for liking Trump tweets -- enough is enough | Fox News



Yeah. Sure sounds like we're going to get an objective analysis from that. :roll:

Again, according to the quote you curiously omitted from your OP the college's President said point blank that “social media is not the reason he was placed on leave. We are reviewing several concerns and cannot comment further on personnel issues.”

You have nothing to directly refute or disprove that. No internal emails or documents indicating that the President of the college lied. All you have is Lahren's speculation, speculation in an opinion piece aimed at Fox's most partisan consumers.
 
Chomsky said:
I'm not a fan of suppressing speech in general, but what's Orwellian is trying to argue for influencing a private institution to toe the government line.
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Who is arguing for trying to influence a private institution to toe the party line? I'm disgusted by the fact that someone can lose their job for doing something as innocuous as liking a tweet.
 
Mr Person said:
His own source quotes the college's president saying unequivocally “social media is not the reason he was placed on leave. We are reviewing several concerns and cannot comment further on personnel issues.”

But some talking head on ****ing Fox "News" says otherwise and that lines up with what he wanted to allege about no-doubt "leftist political correctness." So naturally he goes with Fox.



Let's see how fair and balanced your Fox pieces is (by the way, it's an Opinion Piece and those don't even pretend to exist for the purpose of conveying facts):



Tomi Lahren: Campus police chief placed on leave for liking Trump tweets -- enough is enough | Fox News



Yeah. Sure sounds like we're going to get an objective analysis from that. :roll:

Again, according to the quote you curiously omitted from your OP the college's President said point blank that “social media is not the reason he was placed on leave. We are reviewing several concerns and cannot comment further on personnel issues.”

You have nothing to directly refute or disprove that. No internal emails or documents indicating that the President of the college lied. All you have is Lahren's speculation, speculation in an opinion piece aimed at Fox's most partisan consumers.
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I never said the Fox piece was fair OR balanced. My only comment about it, and my only reason for posting it, was the fact that it contained factual information omitted by the source I used in the OP.

My point here, my ONLY point here, is that losing your job for liking a tweet by the President of the United States is bull****, Orwellian nonsense. I'd be really curios to see your reaction if things like this start happening in the other direction. Hmm...

Maxine Waters: "Impeach 45!" (get's a like from a high school science teacher)

Teacher loses teaching job. You okay with that?
 
Jack Fabulous said:
Who is arguing for trying to influence a private institution to toe the party line? I'm disgusted by the fact that someone can lose their job for doing something as innocuous as liking a tweet.
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Jack, the cop is promoting Trump's political line from his position of authority.

If he (the cop) can't remain politically neutral in his public actions, he doesn't earn the confidence of his charges. It's that simple, and there's nothing more here.

He should have kept his mouth shut, if he wanted to remain in a position of authority by the grace of the confidence of his charges.
 
Chomsky said:
Jack, the cop is promoting Trump's political line from his position of authority.

If he (the cop) can't remain politically neutral in his public actions, he doesn't earn the confidence of his charges. It's that simple, and there's nothing more here.

He should have kept his mouth shut, if he wanted to remain in a position of authority by the grace of the confidence of his charges.
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If you are seriously advocating that people must remain politically neutral out of fear of losing their jobs then I guess we're at an impasse.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
If you are seriously advocating that people must remain politically neutral out of fear of losing their jobs then I guess we're at an impasse.
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It's not just a 'job'. He's the top cop, having legal authority over his charges (the students). Consequently, his power (like all authority) is legitimized by his charges accepting it, and their relinquishing it to him. And they no longer accept it, nor empower him to remain in power.
 
Chomsky said:
It's not just a 'job'. He's the top cop, having legal authority over his charges (the students). Consequently, his power (like all authority) is legitimized by his charges accepting it, and their relinquishing it to him. And they no longer accept it, nor empower him to remain in power.
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Can you explain to me how supporting the 2A or supporting building a border wall has any impact on his ability to perform his duties as head of security for the university?
 
Chomsky said:
It seems Trump & some of his supporters are hell-bent on impressing their world-view on private citizens and entities, here. It appears the school and students found they have no faith in the top cop. Obviously, they drew their own conclusion.

Maybe the guy with the loose fingers should think of the effects of his Tweets on those with different world views, before he fires-off some political Tweets, especially if he's accountable to the students & administration for his job? He doesn't sound like he's smart enough for the job, to be honest.
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1. Well...here's some progress as you finally dropped believing in such a fake statement by the school and you acknowledge what it's really about.

2. Unfortunately, you've gone full purist in ideology where there is no Overton Window and anyone who steps out of a specific lock-step ideology must be banished. You don't care how that type of ideology actually effects real education, not the fake education universities are becoming. You don't care about how it effects critical thinking skills. You don't care how it effects public discourse. And you don't care how soloing ideology creates extremism.

I thought you were better. Maybe that's changing.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
Can you explain to me how supporting the 2A or supporting building a border wall has any impact on his ability to perform his duties as head of security for the university?
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Show me the Tweets in question, and perhaps I can.

But the guy should've kept politics out of his job. He blew it. Hopefully he learns a lesson, if he wants to regain a position like he had. Otherwise, he should take a less political position.
 
Fishking said:
1. Well...here's some progress as you finally dropped believing in such a fake statement by the school and you acknowledge what it's really about.

2. Unfortunately, you've gone full purist in ideology where there is no Overton Window and anyone who steps out of a specific lock-step ideology must be banished. You don't care how that type of ideology actually effects real education, not the fake education universities are becoming. You don't care about how it effects critical thinking skills. You don't care how it effects public discourse. And you don't care how soloing ideology creates extremism.

I thought you were better. Maybe that's changing.
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I'm no fan of political correctness on college campuses, but you've got to keep in mind the guy in question is in a position of legal authority. That's the problem, his position (which is also highly political).

If he was a tenured instructor or a janitor, it would be a different circumstance.
 
Chomsky said:
Show me the Tweets in question, and perhaps I can.

But the guy should've kept politics out of his job. He blew it. Hopefully he learns a lesson, if he wants to regain a position like he had. Otherwise, he should take a less political position.
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He never brought politics into his job. He liked some tweets on twitter.

Think about it. Trump has umpteen million followers and every time he tweets he is going to have umpteen million people liking those tweets. Who would find this one particular "like" except someone who was specifically looking for it?
 
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