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Biggest Lies told About Trump - Part One

OscarLevant said:
Congratulations, you scoured the vast landscape surrounding Trump, and found an item worthy of contention.


Good for you. What else you got?
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It's not even up for contention. Everyone knew exactly what he was doing and who he was saying it about. That's why so many of his top council member quit in protest:
Trump's business advisory councils disband as CEOs abandon Trump

Donald Trump's entire arts council quits in protest

They knew exactly what they saw and heard.


The White Supremacists knew what they heard:

Neo-Nazis Praise Trump's Charlottesville Reaction: 'He Loves Us All'

Christ, Trump has gotten to such a point of using racist dog whistles, even FOX News, his propaganda wing refused to carry his ads:
With racist ad, Trump sinks to a new low


And none of this is any surprise given his long and well documented history of racist behavior.
Trump Has A Long And Well-Documented History Of Racist Behavior

No vacancies for Blacks



Hell, Trump gained his street cred with his base by attacking a sitting POTUS, saying he was UnAMerican, for no other reason than the POTUS had black skin. And didn't the vast majority of his base eat that racist attack up, they loved it.
 
Lesh said:
"Trump condemned white supremacists in the same speech that he spoke of "good people," and no Leftie cares to remember that. "

What he said was that there were "good people on both sides".

There were no good people marching with the Nazis
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At a rally hosted by White Supremacists.

At a rally with a stated purpose of uniting White Supremacists from across the country.

At a rally where the hosts of the rally were chanting Nazi slogans.

At a rally where the hosts of the rally were carrying Nazi and KKK paraphernalia.


Any "very fine people" had run the other way as fast they could. Well, I suppose those who really do think White Supremacists are "very fine people" would obviously see things differently, and would stay and hang around with KKK and Neo Nazis.
 
ultmd said:
In a thread predicated upon the overt ignorance of the OP, this is certainly the single dumbest comment. President Drumpf has already surpassed (just beyond the half-way point of what will be his only term) the TEN THOUSAND "false and misleading claims" threshold. His opponents aren't lying about him. There's no need to lie, when the truth about Drumpf is so clear and damning.



And with that, you've identified yourself as just another lunatic right-wing conspiracy theorist.

I'd like to say I'm surprised, but that would be a lie. It's predictable...even expected...from some of you people.
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Have to agree, there is absolutey no need to misrepresent Trump's call for violence, his use of race to try to divide us, or exaggerate his lies.
 
That trump is a Christian,
Lie
That trump has any real Family Values,
Lie
That trump is a self made man,
Lie
That trump is a good businessman,
Lie
That trump knows how to negotiate trade deals,
Lie
That trump understands what it means to be a military ally,
Lie
That trump understands how the government actually works,
Lie
That trump is one of us, or even knows who we are,
Lie
That trump is well read and informed on the major issues facing this Nation,
Lie,
That trump is a con artist that knows how to manipulate the weak minded,
True
 
Ouroboros said:
Trump condemned white supremacists in the same speech that he spoke of "good people," and no Leftie cares to remember that.
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You seem to be intentionally obfuscating. Trump didn't just imply, he STATED in multiple press releases and press conferences that there were "fine people" and "good people" on "both sides". Yet, we KNOW that one side was ENTIRELY organized and promoted for and by white supremacists. Notice that there were ZERO signs in that rally that were dedicated to the supposed issue (or "cause") of preserving monuments to Confederate traitors to U.S. Not one. EVERY sign and every slogan was about white nationalism. So please stop with the silliness. Righties keep defending the indefensible, because you have all been brainwashed...or because you all agree with Trump's white nationalist sympathies.

As for the question of whether there were non-Nazis/supremacists there, I refer you to this Arkansas Times article:
Now, if someone wants to dig around and prove that this guy Del Brock actually is a white supremacist, feel free.
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Hiwaymen are a self-described "pro-Confederate" group. They are, by definition, white supremacists. Geez...:roll:


However, even if someone finds such data, that will not prove that Trump was not referencing people that he believed to be peacefully exercising their right to protest, w/o attempting to stump with white supremacy as such.
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LOL, nothing will prove that to you, because you're a Trump acolyte. Your defense of Trump's outrageous "both sides" remarks proves as much. But most people understand what you and people like you can't/won't admit. That's all fine, just as long as you don't also become one of those Righties who whines about being perceived as a racial or religious bigot and/or an anti-semite.

The Left's narrative wants to demonize everyone who disagrees with them, regardless of the nature of the disagreement. The Right in the past used to be much more guilty of this tendency, but the Left's certainly playing catch-up these days.
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Stop whining, please. "The Left" demonizes Righties who spew ignorance and bigotry. And rightly so. You people just can't seem to help yourselves when it comes to playing that victim card.
 
Ouroboros said:
The original context of my Farrakhan remark appeared in post #74, responding to the idea that everyone who might've been in any way associated with the Neo-Nazis was instantly responsible for their evils.
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Of course, your "context", i.e. your analogy, is flawed. You do know that, don't you?

Now, if you find an example of Obama or Clinton marching alongside Farrakhan and the NOI as they shout anti-semitic slogans and anti-white slogans,etc.........PLEASE, post examples.

Otherwise, it was DUMB of you to equate simply standing with, or near someone like Farrakhan..............to marching at an EXPLICITLY white supremacist/nationalist/neo-nazi rally filled with racist and anti-semitic signs and slogans.
 
ultmd said:
Of course, your "context", i.e. your analogy, is flawed. You do know that, don't you?

Now, if you find an example of Obama or Clinton marching alongside Farrakhan and the NOI as they shout anti-semitic slogans and anti-white slogans,etc.........PLEASE, post examples.

Otherwise, it was DUMB of you to equate simply standing with, or near someone like Farrakhan..............to marching at an EXPLICITLY white supremacist/nationalist/neo-nazi rally filled with racist and anti-semitic signs and slogans.
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You do KNOW that everything you wrote is pure drivel. DON'T YOU?

The idea that you can only criticize exact actions with exact actions is the most moronic form of sophism out there. If one can't attack Obama for hobnobbing with Farrakhan as an example of bad politics, then one also can't attack Trump because his campaign people allegedly gave shout-outs to white supremacists. Yet if it hadn't been for those shout-outs, and some of Trump's other gaffes, the media might not have chosen to distort his Charlottesville speech to make it sound like he was advocating white supremacy.

Given the pitiful, partisan media coverage of Charlottesville, neither you nor I really know to what extent neo-Confederates actually marched beside neo-Nazis. (And yes, there is a difference.) Some people on this thread, have suggested that "good people" would have gone home the minute they saw neo-Nazis chanting. However, by that same logic, all "good" counter-protesters should've gone home as soon as it became apparent that organized Antifa groups were there picking fights. Did any of those "good people" go home?

Some may have, just as some neo-Confederates may have chosen the path of prudence. But Trump's speech reflects his belief that some of the non-violent, pro-statue protesters had congregated without intending to advocate violence or racism. At the time I expected the media to go to great lengths to disprove that belief, and if they had done so, that would have been good journalism. Instead, they chose to excerpt parts of his speech in order to embarrass Trump and Republicans generally, and that was extremely bad journalism.
 
ultmd said:
You seem to be intentionally obfuscating. Trump didn't just imply, he STATED in multiple press releases and press conferences that there were "fine people" and "good people" on "both sides". Yet, we KNOW that one side was ENTIRELY organized and promoted for and by white supremacists. Notice that there were ZERO signs in that rally that were dedicated to the supposed issue (or "cause") of preserving monuments to Confederate traitors to U.S. Not one. EVERY sign and every slogan was about white nationalism. So please stop with the silliness. Righties keep defending the indefensible, because you have all been brainwashed...or because you all agree with Trump's white nationalist sympathies.


Hiwaymen are a self-described "pro-Confederate" group. They are, by definition, white supremacists. Geez...:roll:



LOL, nothing will prove that to you, because you're a Trump acolyte. Your defense of Trump's outrageous "both sides" remarks proves as much. But most people understand what you and people like you can't/won't admit. That's all fine, just as long as you don't also become one of those Righties who whines about being perceived as a racial or religious bigot and/or an anti-semite.


Stop whining, please. "The Left" demonizes Righties who spew ignorance and bigotry. And rightly so. You people just can't seem to help yourselves when it comes to playing that victim card.
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Nothing new or interesting here, and I've already refuted the conflation of neo-Nazis and neo-Confederates in the previous post, so-- yawn.
 
ultmd said:
In a thread predicated upon the overt ignorance of the OP, this is certainly the single dumbest comment. President Drumpf has already surpassed (just beyond the half-way point of what will be his only term) the TEN THOUSAND "false and misleading claims" threshold. His opponents aren't lying about him. There's no need to lie, when the truth about Drumpf is so clear and damning.



And with that, you've identified yourself as just another lunatic right-wing conspiracy theorist.

I'd like to say I'm surprised, but that would be a lie. It's predictable...even expected...from some of you people.
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Very misguided on your part.
 
Trump University is all anyone needs to know to assess his true character.
 
Greenbeard said:
No, it's not a lie. Trump put out a weirdly weak-on-Nazis statement on August 12 shortly after those Nazis killed a woman. This is what you reference in the OP. He spent two days taking heat on his statement so John Kelly forced him to issue a stronger statement of August 14, which he reportedly regretted doing. He then answered questions at a presser on August 15 in which he backtracked again, defending those Nazis and uttering his infamous "very fine people on both sides" gaffe.
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You snowflakes just make way too many assumptions. You actually believe every single person that was at that rally was a white supremacist and racist? Well sure they were, just like all the ones on the left were crazy antifa scumbags and rioting pychos who destroy property and physically attack innocent citizens on the right.

All on the left are good people and all on the right are bad people.
 
beancounter said:
Trump University is all anyone needs to know to assess his true character.
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It proved that Trump has a natural born ability to identify and take advantage of suckers. He has continued to do it to this day. Look at the 2016 election results and continued unwavering support if you don't believe me.

Jim Jones posses the same uncanny ability.
 
KAG2020 said:
This is the beginning of a series of threads about the BIG FIVE lies told about Trump. PART ONE:

"President Trump called white supremacists 'very fine people!'"

THAT IS A LIE.

From THIS SOURCE (Link) I quote the following:

QUOTE: Whenever Democrats want to blame President Trump for an act of white supremacist violence such as the horrific attack in New Zealand or the imagined attack on Jussie Smollett in Chicago, they and their allies in the national news media invariably cite his statements in the wake of the deadly riot in Charlottesville, Virginia.
"President Trump called white supremacists 'very fine people!'" they shriek.
Only he didn't. He actually said the exact opposite.
In an on-camera statement just two hours after a white supremacist plowed his car into a group of protesters, killing 32 year-old Heather Heyer and injuring 19 people, President Trump expressed his outrage:

The President's inclusion of the phrase "on many sides" immediately set off a media feeding frenzy. Even though violent members of Antifa had joined with those peacefully protesting the "Unite the Right" rally and had sparked physical altercations with the white supremacists attending the rally, Trump critics immediately pounced on what they considered to be equivocation. It was nothing of the sort.........(END QUOTE)

Continue reading: Source Link
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Donald Trump is a racist. Here is a list that spans 56 years and chronicles many of Trump's racist actions during that period of time.

Donald Trump's entire presidential campaign is about race. He launched his campaign with an argument over whether all Mexican immigrants were rapists and murderers, or merely most of them. He's maintained his relevancy through fall by replacing Latinos with Muslims as the villains of his campaign narrative — including a call to ban them from entering the US.

It might be easy to write this off as pandering to the segment of America who feels threatened by ethnic difference. But it's not as if Donald J. Trump was a paragon of multiculturalism before he ran for president. Trump has been accused of racism for literally as long as he's been in public life — in his capacities as a real estate developer, a TV star, and now as a politician. At various times, he's insulted African Americans, the Japanese, Native Americans, Muslim Americans and Latinos.

Through it all, Donald Trump has maintained that he is "the least racist person you will ever meet."

Here's a — by no means comprehensive — timeline of some previous times Donald Trump has gotten in trouble for racial comments.
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His own people saying Trump is racist:



 
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beancounter said:
Trump University is all anyone needs to know to assess his true character.
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True, but it’s in competition with the Trump Foundation, his Central Park Five ads, and his comments on Judge Curiel. A lot to choose from.
 
tres borrachos said:
It proved that Trump has a natural born ability to identify and take advantage of suckers. He has continued to do it to this day. Look at the 2016 election results and continued unwavering support if you don't believe me.

Jim Jones posses the same uncanny ability.
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And the democrat leadership doesn't?
 
Luckyone said:
Donald Trump is a racist. Here is a list that spans 56 years and chronicles many of Trump's racist actions during that period of time.



His own people saying Trump is racist:



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If any campaign is racist its the democrats. Every issue for them turns into a racial issue. Anytime they are loosing an issue they play the race card. If they somehow cannot apply that they go to the gender card. Lately their cry is "old white men" cause all their problems. They are the ones who keep racism alive in our political system.
 
Integrityrespec said:
If any campaign is racist its the democrats. Every issue for them turns into a racial issue. Anytime they are loosing an issue they play the race card. If they somehow cannot apply that they go to the gender card. Lately their cry is "old white men" cause all their problems. They are the ones who keep racism alive in our political system.
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What does your post mean? That Trump is not a racist? That his own people (Republicans) calling him racist means nothing because the Democrats are playing the race card?

Are you seeking the truth and solution to the problem or just seeking who to blame?

By the way, are you true to your own nick of integrity and respect or is that just for show?
 
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Luckyone said:
Donald Trump is a racist. Here is a list that spans 56 years and chronicles many of Trump's racist actions during that period of time.



His own people saying Trump is racist:



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Maybe there are good reasons to accept hearsay from some people, but I personally would not accept it from either of these people.

Ryan is not really aligned with Trump just because they're both Republicans. He's the sort of "Washington insider" that Trump campaigned against.

After Donald Trump became the presumptive Republican nominee in the 2016 presidential election on May 4, 2016, Ryan was hesitant to endorse him, stating on May 5 that he was "not ready".[88] Ryan and Trump met in private on May 12, releasing a joint statement afterward, acknowledging their differences but stating "we recognize that there are also many important areas of common ground."[89] On June 2, Ryan announced his support for Trump in an op-ed in The Janesville Gazette--
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WIKIPEDIA on PAUL RYAN.

As for Cohen, he's someone Trump employed, but does that make him anything more than a business associate? And he's shown that he's willing to lie for profit, so everything he says is dubious at best.
 
Ouroboros said:
Maybe there are good reasons to accept hearsay from some people, but I personally would not accept it from either of these people.

Ryan is not really aligned with Trump just because they're both Republicans. He's the sort of "Washington insider" that Trump campaigned against.



WIKIPEDIA on PAUL RYAN.

As for Cohen, he's someone Trump employed, but does that make him anything more than a business associate? And he's shown that he's willing to lie for profit, so everything he says is dubious at best.
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Cohen got put in jail because he got caught lying for Trump. If the truth was otherwise, there would not have been a reason to lie for Trump and therefore no reason for going to jail. As such, he is believable simply because lying about Trump was then not necessary. He is 100% believable for that simple reason. In addition, it all makes 100% sense that Trump is everything Cohen says he is. He has proven to be exactly that kind of person throughout his entire life.

As far as Ryan is concerned, he is a Republican and had no reason to say that Trump lied if he didn't lie. Ryan was not running against Trump and saying something untrue would make him become a Trump enemy, and there is no reason to do that given that he had to work with Trump..

Common sense is totally against you. You on the other hand are looking at 1 in a hundred million chance that Trump is not a liar.
 
Luckyone said:
Cohen got put in jail because he got caught lying for Trump. If the truth was otherwise, there would not have been a reason to lie for Trump and therefore no reason for going to jail. As such, he is believable simply because lying about Trump was then not necessary. He is 100% believable for that simple reason. In addition, it all makes 100% sense that Trump is everything Cohen says he is. He has proven to be exactly that kind of person throughout his entire life.

As far as Ryan is concerned, he is a Republican and had no reason to say that Trump lied if he didn't lie. Ryan was not running against Trump and saying something untrue would make him become a Trump enemy, and there is no reason to do that given that he had to work with Trump..

Common sense is totally against you. You on the other hand are looking at 1 in a hundred million chance that Trump is not a liar.
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Cohen was not a helpless slave of Donald Trump. He was a person with a choice about whether or not he told lies, whether they involved Trump or just his own income . Remember, five of the eight charges against Cohen were related to tax evasion, so we're not dealing with any sort of straight shooter corrupted by the Evil Donald. There's no "common sense" in trusting his word, though you can certainly do so if you wish.

Ryan might be telling the truth or not, but my principal quarrel with the earlier post is that I don't think it's fair to term him one of Trump's people. At best they were political bedfellows, and in politics, stabbing a former ally in the back is par for the course.

Look, I don't have a problem with the idea that Trump is, at the least, massively insensitive on racial matters. However, that's not quite the same as being a doctrinaire racist, and that's the only thing that should bear on his Presidential duties. I tend to think that his blanket denigration of Mexicans in his infamous campaign speech was not an intentional declaration of his racist beliefs about Mexicans, but resulted from an attempt to denigrate only illegals generally, bungled by his near legendary tin ear.
 
Ouroboros said:
Cohen was not a helpless slave of Donald Trump. He was a person with a choice about whether or not he told lies, whether they involved Trump or just his own income . Remember, five of the eight charges against Cohen were related to tax evasion, so we're not dealing with any sort of straight shooter corrupted by the Evil Donald. There's no "common sense" in trusting his word, though you can certainly do so if you wish.

Ryan might be telling the truth or not, but my principal quarrel with the earlier post is that I don't think it's fair to term him one of Trump's people. At best they were political bedfellows, and in politics, stabbing a former ally in the back is par for the course.

Look, I don't have a problem with the idea that Trump is, at the least, massively insensitive on racial matters. However, that's not quite the same as being a doctrinaire racist, and that's the only thing that should bear on his Presidential duties. I tend to think that his blanket denigration of Mexicans in his infamous campaign speech was not an intentional declaration of his racist beliefs about Mexicans, but resulted from an attempt to denigrate only illegals generally, bungled by his near legendary tin ear.
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All arguments in favor of Trump are totally null and void for the simple reason that in his entire life he has never shown any ethics, morals, principles or humanity. In addition, he has shown incompetence at every turn. This is the man that started with $414 million given to him by his daddy and turned into a $1.17 billion loss and the failure of 13 different companies in all different industries, including 3 that were casinos (almost impossible to lose money on).

He was unable to do anything right until he made a partnership in 2001 with the Bayrock Group (Russian backed) and by getting loans from the Deutsche Bank (Russian backed). In addition, he finally started making money with the help of the Bayrock Group that suggested or imposed the idea of using his name as a Brand. In addition and part of the Bayrock Group was Felix Sater who was a confirmed member of the Russian Mafia. With their help they brought in 14 different Russians oligarchs who purchased properties (at exorbitant prices) and did business out of Trump Tower.

It is surmised (and probably rightly so) that Putin was investing in Trump because he might become an asset in the future, given that he owes his economic survival to them.

Trump was an economic catastrophe prior to the Russians getting involved. In addition, I outlined in the OP all the racist things he did prior to becoming President.

If you and other Trump supporters want to add 2+2 and come up with 5, I cannot stop you. Nonetheless, in reality 2+2 = 4 and it will be each and every time.

If you look with unbiased-for-Trump eyes you will see that everything adds up correctly.

One question I have asked repeatedly on this board since I have been here (over 6 months) is for someone to show me that at any time in his life that Trump has shown ethics, morals, principles or humanity and to this date no Trump supporter has been able to do so.

I hate Trump because of the person I see him to be (everything I am against). Nonetheless, all my life I have been a man of reason and if you can show me that I am wrong I will change my mind. There have been a few occasions in my life when I was proven wrong and I accepted it. One of my main goals in life is knowledge and truth and I seek it every day of my life. My ego is unimportant since ego will not do me any good when I am judged by my maker (God).
 
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Luckyone said:
All arguments in favor of Trump are totally null and void for the simple reason that in his entire life he has never shown any ethics, morals, principles or humanity. In addition, he has shown incompetence at every turn. This is the man that started with $414 million given to him by his daddy and turned into a $1.17 billion loss and the failure of 13 different companies in all different industries, including 3 that were casinos (almost impossible to lose money on).

He was unable to do anything right until he made a partnership in 2001 with the Bayrock Group (Russian backed) and by getting loans from the Deutsche Bank (Russian backed). In addition, he finally started making money with the help of the Bayrock Group that suggested or imposed the idea of using his name as a Brand. In addition and part of the Bayrock Group was Felix Sater who was a confirmed member of the Russian Mafia. With their help they brought in 14 different Russians oligarchs who purchased properties (at exorbitant prices) and did business out of Trump Tower.

It is surmised (and probably rightly so) that Putin was investing in Trump because he might become an asset in the future, given that he owes his economic survival to them.

Trump was an economic catastrophe prior to the Russians getting involved. In addition, I outlined in the OP all the racist things he did prior to becoming President.

If you and other Trump supporters want to add 2+2 and come up with 5, I cannot stop you. Nonetheless, in reality 2+2 = 4 and it will be each and every time.

If you look with unbiased-for-Trump eyes you will see that everything adds up correctly.

One question I have asked repeatedly on this board since I have been here (over 6 months) is for someone to show me that at any time in his life that Trump has shown ethics, morals, principles or humanity and to this date no Trump supporter has been able to do so.

I hate Trump because of the person I see him to be (everything I am against). Nonetheless, all my life I have been a man of reason and if you can show me that I am wrong I will change my mind. There have been a few occasions in my life when I was proven wrong and I accepted it. One of my main goals in life is knowledge and truth and I seek it every day of my life. My ego is unimportant since ego will not do me any good when I am judged by my maker (God).
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You might care to clarify what you mean by "OP" in the fourth paragraph. I'm not aware that the phrase connotes anything but the original post, or the one who posted said post (in this case, the banned KAG2020), of the entire thread.

If you're referring back to one of your posts in the text of the thread, that's easier to denote by the number each post is assigned.
 
And yet, after over two years of investigation....no collusion. Maybe someone should be posting in the conspiracy theory thread.
 
PeteEU said:
The only lie here is the thread it self..


Trump Defends White-Nationalist Protesters: 'Some Very Fine People on Both Sides' - The Atlantic

And if you dont believe that.. then how about your dear leader saying it on video?

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He handles that very well, actually. What is your beef anyway? Why are some of you, seemingly, purposely lying about what he says there? He specifically condemned the bad people on both sides and specifically the New-Nazi's and White Nationalists.
 
Ouroboros said:
You might care to clarify what you mean by "OP" in the fourth paragraph. I'm not aware that the phrase connotes anything but the original post, or the one who posted said post (in this case, the banned KAG2020), of the entire thread.

If you're referring back to one of your posts in the text of the thread, that's easier to denote by the number each post is assigned.
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Sorry about that. I was referring to the thread I put up called "The Great Businessman".

When I was responding to your post I was also responding to posters posting on that thread and I must have thought you comment was on that thread.
 
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